Zeke and Cowboys in trouble again

[handicappers]

You’re calling me a racist while saying completely racist shit that you should be banned for. Disgusting

 

[dbldwn711]

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Haha

I love how he cry’s to the mods.

 

[handicappers]

Haha

I love how he cry’s to the mods.

IKR

Complains about trolls, but got banned for being a troll. Lol. Derp derp

 

[jarntt]

I believe it’s time for me to mention this, I work part time as a security guard at a local 7-11.....while working my shift I was gently shoved by Zeke.....I unfortunately fell down a flight of stairs and my shoes fell off.....We are prepared to sue everybody.....

Classic Jerky Boys reference

 

[PickleRick]

Here’s the thing... you may completely disagree with my points. I don’t know where you think I’m full of shit and I’d like you to tell me.
But I ain’t a non stop liar, troll that’s a fucking racist to boot. I guess in your world if you don’t like someone’s opinion on football they are full of shit and Handi comes on here calling Mexicans “dirty, scummy, thieves” and you have absolutely zero problem with it. In fact none of you do. So keep telling a pathological liar and racist what a great guy he is. Cool?

If this was anyone else but PE1 i would be putting it in the potential melt down thread. But for PE1, this is just your average monday morning.

 

[PickleRick]

Being on a high horse is despising racism. Are you fucking kidding me. Jesus that was really fucking bad. Hating racism means you think you’re on a high horse? Unfucking-believable. One is joking around after someone insulted me 25 times. You fucking have to be kidding me. That was really REALLY bad.

Victim confirmed

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

The only one ignoring anything is you. The NFLPA Agent Agreement stats agents don't get paid of the CBA dictates the contract. I've already proven agents don't always get paid for salary, and you act like that doesn't count.

You keep saying the Agent Agreement states agents don’t get paid off of what the CBA dictates and that is simply NOT TRUE. They get paid when the player is franchised tagged and that is dictated by the CBA so that is one example right there for you.

It says the agent doesn’t get paid for CBA dictated BENEFITS. Benefits like pension and annuities.

So can we play the one question at a time game from me. I answered yours but you gave up.

 

[Manster7588]

You keep saying the Agent Agreement states agents don’t get paid off of what the CBA dictates and that is simply NOT TRUE. They get paid when the player is franchised tagged and that is dictated by the CBA so that is one example right there for you.

It says the agent doesn’t get paid for CBA dictated BENEFITS. Benefits like pension and annuities.

So can we play the one question at a time game from me. I answered yours but you gave up.

Funny how you "FORGOT" to include other payments provided for in the player’s individual contract

Major difference is agents are working overtime trying to avoid the franchise tag, and the player must sign the Franchise tag for it to go into affect. The player has no say so in the activation of the 5th year option.

By the way the standard contract between the player and Contract Advisor "Agent" addresses the Franchise Tag compensation as a separate issue.

It lowers the standard compensation agents get for the FT. My guess is agents balked at working overtime for 2nd contracts and not getting paid due to the agreement saying no compensation for CBA coverered benefits.

I gave up on the one question at a time because you decided to answer with BUT answeres.

 

[jarntt]

Do you guys really think that it is reasonable to assume that agents are representing the players and not getting paid for the 5th year option which you are also saying is part of the original contract that they negotiated and are getting paid for? That just doesn't seem to pass the common sense test does it? Forget about what you are reading in that guide book...Just think about it for a second and think about what you really think the most likely scenario is.

If you were saying they get the same lower % as they do for franchise tags at least I could say that kind of makes sense to me even though I don't think it is true. And no, agents don't actually do anything about negotiating franchise tags contracts themselves. Yes, they work to have the player not tagged or try to hammer out a deal on a long term contract of course but that is separate legal matter and not part of the "tag" process and has nothing to do with the execution of the actual contract itself when a player is tagged. They do pretty much what Zeke's agent is currently doing don't they?

I think it is time for someone to break out the Rolodex and call a couple of NFL super agents so we get the real 411!!!

 

[molsaniceman]

Do you guys really think that it is reasonable to assume that agents are representing the players and not getting paid for the 5th year option which you are also saying is part of the original contract that they negotiated and are getting paid for? That just doesn't seem to pass the common sense test does it? Forget about what you are reading in that guide book...Just think about it for a second and think about what you really think the most likely scenario is.

If you were saying they get the same lower % as they do for franchise tags at least I could say that kind of makes sense to me even though I don't think it is true. And no, agents don't actually do anything about negotiating franchise tags contracts themselves. Yes, they work to have the player not tagged or try to hammer out a deal on a long term contract of course but that is separate legal matter and not part of the "tag" process and has nothing to do with the execution of the actual contract itself when a player is tagged. They do pretty much what Zeke's agent is currently doing don't they?

I think it is time for someone to break out the Rolodex and call a couple of NFL super agents so we get the real 411!!!

) Agents don’t make 10% of a players contract: I’m still surprised by how many people think agents take a big cut of a players contract. The Players Association has capped what agents make at 3% max on contracts. 2% on first time franchise/transition tags (or RFA’s), 1.5 % on second time franchise/transition tags, and 1% on third time tags.

thats the cap every player decides how much he gives an agent when he hires one

 

[jarntt]

) Agents don’t make 10% of a players contract: I’m still surprised by how many people think agents take a big cut of a players contract. The Players Association has capped what agents make at 3% max on contracts. 2% on first time franchise/transition tags (or RFA’s), 1.5 % on second time franchise/transition tags, and 1% on third time tags.

thats the cap every player decides how much he gives an agent when he hires one

ummmm...correct...but thanks for quoting me I guess

 

[Manster7588]

Do you guys really think that it is reasonable to assume that agents are representing the players and not getting paid for the 5th year option which you are also saying is part of the original contract that they negotiated and are getting paid for? That just doesn't seem to pass the common sense test does it? Forget about what you are reading in that guide book...Just think about it for a second and think about what you really think the most likely scenario is.

If you were saying they get the same lower % as they do for franchise tags at least I could say that kind of makes sense to me even though I don't think it is true. And no, agents don't actually do anything about negotiating franchise tags contracts themselves. Yes, they work to have the player not tagged or try to hammer out a deal on a long term contract of course but that is separate legal matter and not part of the "tag" process and has nothing to do with the execution of the actual contract itself when a player is tagged. They do pretty much what Zeke's agent is currently doing don't they?

I think it is time for someone to break out the Rolodex and call a couple of NFL super agents so we get the real 411!!!

Why would they get paid?
Take the Wentz situation. He just signed a new contract but he's still playing under his rookie deal plus the 5th year option prior to entering his new contract. His agent had no input on salary Wentz will make in 2020.
I understand why they they paid on the Franchise tag, because they're working to avoid that situation, but they aren't eliminating the 5th year option.

Here's the Franchise Tag commission rates.

B. Contract Advisor’s Compensation
(1) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be three
percent (3%) of the “compensation” (as defined within this Section) received by the player in
each playing season covered by the contract negotiated by the Contract Advisor, except as fol-
lows:
(a) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be:
(i) Two percent (2%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a
Franchise or Transition designation, or as a Restricted Free Agent;
(ii) One-and-one-half percent (1.5%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender
while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the second time he is
tagged; and
(iii) One percent (1%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a
Franchise or Transition designation for the third time he is tagged.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Do you guys really think that it is reasonable to assume that agents are representing the players and not getting paid for the 5th year option which you are also saying is part of the original contract that they negotiated and are getting paid for? That just doesn't seem to pass the common sense test does it? Forget about what you are reading in that guide book...Just think about it for a second and think about what you really think the most likely scenario is.

If you were saying they get the same lower % as they do for franchise tags at least I could say that kind of makes sense to me even though I don't think it is true. And no, agents don't actually do anything about negotiating franchise tags contracts themselves. Yes, they work to have the player not tagged or try to hammer out a deal on a long term contract of course but that is separate legal matter and not part of the "tag" process and has nothing to do with the execution of the actual contract itself when a player is tagged. They do pretty much what Zeke's agent is currently doing don't they?

I think it is time for someone to break out the Rolodex and call a couple of NFL super agents so we get the real 411!!!

The real issue and you know I’m a million percent dead on is that no matter what proof you give Manster he will never EVER under any circumstances admit he’s wrong.

1st he says agents NEVER get paid for what they didn’t negotiate and that’s not true because the get paid when a player is franchise tagged and they didn’t negotiate that money.

2nd he states that is says “Agents don’t get paid for CBA negotiated benefits” and that is true. But he ignores and is unwilling to admit that BENEFITS are not SALARY. That line simply means the agent can’t say, “You owe me 2% of your pension” or “You’re wife died and I get 2% of the CB life insurance.

3rd is you had Drew Rosenhaus fly to his house and show him pay stubs he got from commission on the 5th year option Manster still wouldn’t admit it.

It’s right their in print and very simple to see, while also making compete sense.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Why would they get paid?
Take the Wentz situation. He just signed a new contract but he's still playing under his rookie deal plus the 5th year option prior to entering his new contract. His agent had no input on salary Wentz will make in 2020.
I understand why they they paid on the Franchise tag, because they're working to avoid that situation, but they aren't eliminating the 5th year option.

Here's the Franchise Tag commission rates.

B. Contract Advisor’s Compensation
(1) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be three
percent (3%) of the “compensation” (as defined within this Section) received by the player in
each playing season covered by the contract negotiated by the Contract Advisor, except as fol-
lows:
(a) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be:
(i) Two percent (2%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a
Franchise or Transition designation, or as a Restricted Free Agent;
(ii) One-and-one-half percent (1.5%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender
while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the second time he is
tagged; and
(iii) One percent (1%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a
Franchise or Transition designation for the third time he is tagged.

Just as much as the agent it working not to have his player franchised they are working just as hard on the extension before and during the 5th year option so your point makes zero sense.
You sign a client, negotiate his rookie deal, you collect commission every year. If that player gets tagged after his 5 year option the agent gets paid. Then the agent gets paid for every year on the new deal and for some reason you think they would not get paid on the 5th year? Like Jarntt said, step back a second a use some common sense.

 

[Manster7588]

Just as much as the agent it working not to have his player franchised they are working just as hard on the extension before and during the 5th year option so your point makes zero sense.
You sign a client, negotiate his rookie deal, you collect commission every year. If that player gets tagged after his 5 year option the agent gets paid. Then the agent gets paid for every year on the new deal and for some reason you think they would not get paid on the 5th year? Like Jarntt said, step back a second a use some common sense.

Problem with this is, the Agent can work to avoid the Franchise tag, yet the 5th year option stays in play even with a new contract agreement.

If the agent works a new deal before the FT is official the tag goes away.

 

[handicappers]

Lol @ PE1 desperately trying. Gurgling jarntt’s nutz and still missing the point. So fucking stupid

 

[Manster7588]

The real issue and you know I’m a million percent dead on is that no matter what proof you give Manster he will never EVER under any circumstances admit he’s wrong.

1st he says agents NEVER get paid for what they didn’t negotiate and that’s not true because the get paid when a player is franchise tagged and they didn’t negotiate that money.

2nd he states that is says “Agents don’t get paid for CBA negotiated benefits” and that is true. But he ignores and is unwilling to admit that BENEFITS are not SALARY. That line simply means the agent can’t say, “You owe me 2% of your pension” or “You’re wife died and I get 2% of the CB life insurance.

3rd is you had Drew Rosenhaus fly to his house and show him pay stubs he got from commission on the 5th year option Manster still wouldn’t admit it.

It’s right their in print and very simple to see, while also making compete sense.

Stop ignoring this.

"or other payments provided for in the player’s individual contract."

 

[handicappers]

PE1 has been shown the proof that he's wrong but under no circumstances will he admit he's wrong. Be a man for once in your life, moocher lover, and just admit defeat. Your stupidity and hard headedness is UNFUCKING Believable.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Problem with this is, the Agent can work to avoid the Franchise tag, yet the 5th year option stays in play even with a new contract agreement.

If the agent works a new deal before the FT is official the tag goes away.

And he can work to avoid that or extend it. The agent is still working.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Stop ignoring this.

"or other payments provided for in the player’s individual contract."

That’s not talking about salary. It’s a sentence attached to the CBA benefits. They are saying “any other benefit payment”, not salary pay.