Yu darvish compared to Jered weaver

[Hambombs]

I was looking at fangraphs and saw that darvish has a better WAR than weaver. Yu darvish has a 4.0 WAR and Weaver has a 2.8 which suprised me. Does anyone really think yu darvish is really having a better year? I dont know how accurate WAR can be but i dont think darvish has had a better year than weaver..

 

[scotsman1948]

Don't think he's better right now but he has the potential to be in the future. WAR is not the only thing that should be consider about a player.

 

[bone3421]

yeah not right now.....but if he improves a bit(and gets the respect of the umps on the corners)....then money well spent.....hell of a rookie year so far

 

[Hambombs]

With all that being said. I think he will be better than Weaver next year. His stuff is way better. I like that he has great command right now.

 

[bone3421]

With all that being said. I think he will be better than Weaver next year. His stuff is way better. I like that he has great command right now.

not according to the umps and the whip stat

 

[bone3421]

but i love the almost 200 k's

 

[Hambombs]

not according to the umps and the whip stat

Im talking about last 4-5 starts haha

 

[bone3421]

he has looked very good lately.....hope it is the same during play-offs(i believe it will)

 

[Hambombs]

he has looked very good lately.....hope it is the same during play-offs(i believe it will)

I believe so, if hes pitching like this come playoff time i think hes your #1

 

[romeo212000]

I believe so, if hes pitching like this come playoff time i think hes your #1

Yeah, but I'm not sure wash puts that much pressure on him. He has exactly the kind of stuff you'd want out of your #1 though.

 

[Hambombs]

Yeah, but I'm not sure wash puts that much pressure on him. He has exactly the kind of stuff you'd want out of your #1 though.

I saw he could be our #2 but i think wash would take dempster over darvish cause of veteraness

 

[Hambombs]

Say*

 

[romeo212000]

I saw he could be our #2 but i think wash would take dempster over darvish cause of veteraness

I wouldn't be so sure. I see your point, but wash won't be the only one in on this decision. Texas will needs swing and miss pitchers and it wouldn't bother me in the least to roll with an order of Holland/Darvish/Harry/Dempster.

Not taking anything away from Harry. He's been great this year, but he's a contact guy with a knack for stranding runners. I know Hollabd can be inconsistent, but he has a tendency to rise to the occasion and has the stuff you want from a game 1 pitcher. That is assuming he continues his trend he's on now.

 

[Ginger]

How exactly was that particular WAR calculated. I know certain websites use different methodologies and they get slightly different results; however, there is a pretty large statistical disparity between Weaver and Darvish.

Their actual stat lines:

Weaver: 25 25 3 2 160.1 127 55 51 17 38 121 16 4 97.6 1.03 .216 2.86

Darvish: 26 26 0 0 169.2 141 84 78 13 85 196 14 9 108.9 1.33 .223 4.14


I don't know of any statistical algorithm that will actually argue that Darvish is having a better year. Darvish does have significantly more strikeouts and 4 less home runs given up but Weaver's WHIP of 1.03 is phenomenal. Similar games played. Similar innings pitched. Weaver has given up less runs and has the better ERA. Plus Weaver has 2 really horrible games on his ledger where he gave up 9 runs in 3 innings and 8 runs in 3 1/3. Otherwise, he has been very consistent and pretty much dominant. Darvish has shown flashes of greatness and is improving. But he hasn't been nearly as consistent. When Darvish can get that WHIP down to around 1 he is going to be a beast.

I think this is another one of those problems these pseudo intellectual baseball analysts run into all the time. When the model doesn't match up to reality they don't modify the model but just claim that the player in question over performed or underperformed.

 

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Holy shit its a Ginger sighting....

 

[Ginger]

Holy shit its a Ginger sighting....

Why are you shocked? I had 859 other posts before that one. Been in Europe all summer plus I have other irons in the fire as well. Posting daily on a message board is.......well, impractical.

 

[Hambombs]

How exactly was that particular WAR calculated. I know certain websites use different methodologies and they get slightly different results; however, there is a pretty large statistical disparity between Weaver and Darvish.

Their actual stat lines:

Weaver: 25 25 3 2 160.1 127 55 51 17 38 121 16 4 97.6 1.03 .216 2.86

Darvish: 26 26 0 0 169.2 141 84 78 13 85 196 14 9 108.9 1.33 .223 4.14


I don't know of any statistical algorithm that will actually argue that Darvish is having a better year. Darvish does have significantly more strikeouts and 4 less home runs given up but Weaver's WHIP of 1.03 is phenomenal. Similar games played. Similar innings pitched. Weaver has given up less runs and has the better ERA. Plus Weaver has 2 really horrible games on his ledger where he gave up 9 runs in 3 innings and 8 runs in 3 1/3. Otherwise, he has been very consistent and pretty much dominant. Darvish has shown flashes of greatness and is improving. But he hasn't been nearly as consistent. When Darvish can get that WHIP down to around 1 he is going to be a beast.

I think this is another one of those problems these pseudo intellectual baseball analysts run into all the time. When the model doesn't match up to reality they don't modify the model but just claim that the player in question over performed or underperformed.

Well darvish has had around 1 Whip last 5 starts batters hitting .140 a mid 2s FIP and xFIP so hes been pretty beast lately. Cy young numbers last month+ it will be scary what he can do in a full season next year.

 

[AGZBASEBALL]

Welcome Back Ginger. Have missed your input throughout the Summer.