Why do fans of fast paced offenses whine when defenses...

[WhiteMamba]

I have been watching a lot of replay games on the PAC netwerk lately. I have been paying attention closely to Oregon when they are truly at break neck speed. I have seen USC, UW, and Cal defenses make subs during said breakneck tempo. As soon as the tackle they have defensive players sprinting on and off the field. Not once did they get illegal subs penalties (12 men on the field).

SO, you can sub even when an Oregon is coming at you at full speed.

Consider 80 + plays a game for Oregon. And most of the 4th quarter games for Oregon (11 outta 12) they wer running the clock down under 5 seconds in that quarter.

Some games (5 0f 11) they started running it down to under 5 seconds in the 3rd.

I am thinking they would be around 90-95 plays a game if they kept the foot on the pedal. BUt when you are up 35+ that doesnt look to good.

 

[WhiteMamba]

I see the OP's point. Hike!

 

[4down20]

Lots of questions about this topic in this interview.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uwQ0ftkEXY]Kirby Smart on Fan Day - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Codaxx]

If you have 0 issue with A&M, than what is the problem? A&M ran more plays than Oregon last yr. Only Baylor and Clemson ran more plays per game amongst BCS conference teams.

 

[Codaxx]

I have been watching a lot of replay games on the PAC netwerk lately. I have been paying attention closely to Oregon when they are truly at break neck speed. I have seen USC, UW, and Cal defenses make subs during said breakneck tempo. As soon as the tackle they have defensive players sprinting on and off the field. Not once did they get illegal subs penalties (12 men on the field).

SO, you can sub even when an Oregon is coming at you at full speed.

Consider 80 + plays a game for Oregon. And most of the 4th quarter games for Oregon (11 outta 12) they wer running the clock down under 5 seconds in that quarter.

Some games (5 0f 11) they started running it down to under 5 seconds in the 3rd.
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I am thinking they would be around 90-95 plays a game if they kept the foot on the pedal. BUt when you are up 35+ that doesnt look to good.

I think people misunderstand Kelly's pace. Oregon doesnt run at warp speed on every down. That would make it easy to negotiate. In fact Oregon wasnt even the fastest offense in the Pac. Arizona averaged more plays. 4 teams averaged between 81-84 plays a game in the Pac. What Chip did really well is pick his spots. Oregon is up tempo, but they hit you on a big play or catch you in a dime defense and it goes warp speed. When Kelly sees an the advantage as even, he goes to normal speed.

 

[4down20]

I think people misunderstand Kelly's pace. Oregon doesnt run at warp speed on every down. That would make it easy to negotiate. In fact Oregon wasnt even the fastest offense in the Pac. Arizona averaged more plays. 4 teams averaged between 81-84 plays a game in the Pac. What Chip did really well is pick his spots. Oregon is up tempo, but they hit you on a big play or catch you in a dime defense and it goes warp speed. When Kelly sees an the advantage as even, he goes to normal speed.

# of plays doesn't mean a whole lot. By default, a team that passes more often will run more plays because they don't run the clock out, while a team that runs more often will let the clock run out.

 

[Codaxx]

# of plays doesn't mean a whole lot. By default, a team that passes more often will run more plays because they don't run the clock out, while a team that runs more often will let the clock run out.

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and they tend to get skewed in blow outs, but to your pt. The top 4 rushign teams in the Pac, based on yards/game, were also the 4 leaders in plays per game. That doesnt actually support your theory

 

[WhiteMamba]

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and they tend to get skewed in blow outs, but to your pt. The top 4 rushign teams in the Pac, based on yards/game, were also the 4 leaders in plays per game. That doesnt actually support your theory

and also like you n i both stated, Oregon melted the clock in the 2nd half of the huge majority of their games with a back up QB. Trust ,\me, i watch PAC12 network Duck games (avg of 5 a week prolly)

i fully understand how fast they go.

and in actuality, the passing vs running thing benefits a fewer # of plays do to less stoppage of the clock, when running. therefore more total plays result in a pass offense.

just a fact, more incompletes, more time, results in more total plays in a game,,

 

[Codaxx]

and also like you n i both stated, Oregon melted the clock in the 2nd half of the huge majority of their games with a back up QB. Trust ,\me, i watch PAC12 network Duck games (avg of 5 a week prolly)

i fully understand how fast they go.

and in actuality, the passing vs running thing benefits a fewer # of plays do to less stoppage of the clock, when running. therefore more total plays result in a pass offense.

just a fact, more incompletes, more time, results in more total plays in a game,,

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I think that is over stated. I thought I read something like 40% on WV's passes were inside of 5 yards. Many of these spread teams are basically rushing teams using extended hand-offs. Event he passing numbers are subject, but to the pt at hand..

Clemson - #3 (85.3 plays)- 588 rushes, 474 passes...
Baylor- #5 (84) - 597 rushes, 475 passes
A&M- #8 (83.5)- 533, 492
NCST- #9 (83.3) - 471, 569
Arizona #10 (83.2) - 544, 538
Oregon #11 (82.8) - 686, 373
UCLA- #13 (81.7) - 599, 496
ASU- #14 (81.5) - 599, 413

Notice that 66% of the list runs it 55% or more. There is only 1 team that threw it more. It seems to me that the fear that the hurry-up offenses are bringing an end to smash mouth football is vastly overblown

 

[WhiteMamba]

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I think that is over stated. I thought I read something like 40% on WV's passes were inside of 5 yards. Many of these spread teams are basically rushing teams using extended hand-offs. Event he passing numbers are subject, but to the pt at hand..

Clemson - #3 (85.3 plays)- 588 rushes, 474 passes...
Baylor- #5 (84) - 597 rushes, 475 passes
A&M- #8 (83.5)- 533, 492
NCST- #9 (83.3) - 471, 569
Arizona #10 (83.2) - 544, 538
Oregon #11 (82.8) - 686, 373
UCLA- #13 (81.7) - 599, 496
ASU- #14 (81.5) - 599, 413

Notice that 66% of the list runs it 55% or more. There is only 1 team that threw it more. It seems to me that the fear that the hurry-up offenses are bringing an end to smash mouth football is vastly overblown

Bolded part I have always held the same opinion. Oregon runs between the tackles more than not.

Notice the team with a glaring differential between pass and run. Oregon by 315. Thats alot more running than throwing. They run at break neck speed the majority of the time (not all) when the game is yet to be decided. But most of the time last year, the games were decided very early in the 2nd half. SOmetimes in the 1st half. Therefore less plays do to melting the clock for nearly half the game.

 

[WhiteMamba]

and also if you take that list and figure out points per play, that is another indicator how fast these teams are going.

 

[Codaxx]

Bolded part I have always held the same opinion. Oregon runs between the tackles more than not.

Notice the team with a glaring differential between pass and run. Oregon by 315. Thats alot more running than throwing. They run at break neck speed the majority of the time (not all) when the game is yet to be decided. But most of the time last year, the games were decided very early in the 2nd half. SOmetimes in the 1st half. Therefore less plays do to melting the clock for nearly half the game.

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I think teams like Baylor and Clemson are the ones that woudl shock people, especially Baylor. People dont realize how run oriented they are as a team

 

[Codaxx]

and also if you take that list and figure out points per play, that is another indicator how fast these teams are going.

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that is a measure of efficiency. The stat I usually use to support Bama's offense. That list is much different. Oregon #1, KSU #2, LaTEch#3, Bama #4, and Georgia #5.

 

[WhiteMamba]

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I think teams like Baylor and Clemson are the ones that woudl shock people, especially Baylor. People dont realize how run oriented they are as a team

Agree. People do alot of assuming. Just because teams are offensive powers and spread the field, go fast.... There is alot of assumption they are pass happy.

Looking forward to see Texas using the hurry up spread. Should be pretty darn good at it in a year or 2.

Once they get the right players in place. Now that is on my assuming that Texas is going in that direction... Am i right or wrong on that?

 

[WhiteMamba]

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that is a measure of efficiency. The stat I usually use to support Bama's offense. That list is much different. Oregon #1, KSU #2, LaTEch#3, Bama #4, and Georgia #5.

lol... Well, considering Oregon is one of the fastest and KSU goes at a snails pace, I should have said points vs top.

Oregon is a team that cares less about top obviously.

 

[Codaxx]

lol... Well, considering Oregon is one of the fastest and KSU goes at a snails pace, I should have said points vs top.

Oregon is a team that cares less about top obviously.

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My favorite is pts per possession. Per play can be distorted. A fg on 4 plays is .75 and a td on 10 play drive is .6.
you will be happy to know that Oregon is still top 5. They fall to #3. That top 5: LaTEch, A&M, Oregon, Baylor, KSU (Bama #6)

 

[BamaTee1]

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My favorite is pts per possession. Per play can be distorted. A fg on 4 plays is .75 and a td on 10 play drive is .6.
you will be happy to know that Oregon is still top 5. They fall to #3. That top 5: LaTEch, A&M, Oregon, Baylor, KSU (Bama #6)

My favorite is wins! 61 in 5 years and counting

 

[Codaxx]

My favorite is wins! 61 in 5 years and counting

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I was posting that fpr people that want to understand football. Not just cheerleaders.

 

[4down20]

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I was posting that fpr people that want to understand football. Not just cheerleaders.

 

[BamaTee1]

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I was posting that fpr people that want to understand football. Not just cheerleaders.

Thank you but I already understand it!