Who won relocation: Rams, Chargers or Raiders

[broncosmitty]

If the NFL decided to have a team outside the US.
Would players that played for that team not have to pay the IRS?

Yes, they'd pay the same as they do now.

 

[Jikkle]

LA has a poor fan base. If it wasn't for visiting fans that stadium would be half empty.

LA has two problems when it comes to their fan base and football and to a lesser extent other sports.

Southern California is loaded with transplants and they bring their sports loyalties with them.

The other issue is they were without an NFL team for so long that a generation grew up not having a local team to rally around they backed other NFL teams.

LA is loaded with football fans it's just there loyalties are dispersed among other teams. The place I used to work for had a couple of Chiefs fans, Steelers fan, Seahawks fan, 49ers fan, couple of Cowboys fans, couple of Packers fans and a few Chargers fan. I doubt you would find that kind of variety of fans in cities with NFL teams.

The Rams will just need time for a generation of kids to embrace the Rams and start passing that down to their kids.

It took the Angels baseball team around two generations to finally build up a healthy thriving fan base and the Rams will have to do the same.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Yes, they'd pay the same as they do now.

interesting

 

[broncosmitty]

interesting

If you or I get stuck working in North Korea all of 2020 it'd be the same for us too.


Not sure how any of that works for non US citizens.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

If you or I get stuck working in North Korea all of 2020 it'd be the same for us too.


Not sure how any of that works for non US citizens.

I obviously hadnt done any research, but it seemed to me Major companies go out of country so avoid US taxes.
So I was wondering if you dont live in the US & dont work in the US, but the company is a US company. Would you still pay the IRS?
If you played in London, would be be taxed by England & the US?

 

[broncosmitty]

I obviously hadnt done any research, but it seemed to me Major companies go out of country so avoid US taxes.
So I was wondering if you dont live in the US & dont work in the US, but the company is a US company. Would you still pay the IRS?
If you played in London, would be be taxed by England & the US?

As far as I understand, if you are an American citizen, you're paying Federal income taxes.


I'm sure there are exemptions and loopholes en sech. But it's money earned. No state income tax though. Lol

 

[Lakers+USC=#1]

LA has two problems when it comes to their fan base and football and to a lesser extent other sports.

Southern California is loaded with transplants and they bring their sports loyalties with them.

The other issue is they were without an NFL team for so long that a generation grew up not having a local team to rally around they backed other NFL teams.

LA is loaded with football fans it's just there loyalties are dispersed among other teams. The place I used to work for had a couple of Chiefs fans, Steelers fan, Seahawks fan, 49ers fan, couple of Cowboys fans, couple of Packers fans and a few Chargers fan. I doubt you would find that kind of variety of fans in cities with NFL teams.

The Rams will just need time for a generation of kids to embrace the Rams and start passing that down to their kids.

It took the Angels baseball team around two generations to finally build up a healthy thriving fan base and the Rams will have to do the same.

This is the best explanation of LA fans.

 

[Manster7588]

If you or I get stuck working in North Korea all of 2020 it'd be the same for us too.


Not sure how any of that works for non US citizens.

I'm glad I googled before disputing this.

I thought you'd only be on the hook for taxes where you reside and work.

In general, US citizens and resident aliens are subject to federal income tax on worldwide income. The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) allows qualified taxpayers to exclude from taxable income up to $101,300 of earned income subject to two requirements (more on that in the next step). I

Looking more into it every player who plays in London has to pay England 45% of their game check.


Tax purposes alone tells me the NFLPA will not support establishing a team in Europe. I haven't looked at Canada or Mexico.

 

[broncosmitty]

I'm glad I googled before disputing this.

I thought you'd only be on the hook for taxes where you reside and work.

In general, US citizens and resident aliens are subject to federal income tax on worldwide income. The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) allows qualified taxpayers to exclude from taxable income up to $101,300 of earned income subject to two requirements (more on that in the next step). I

Looking more into it every player who plays in London has to pay England 45% of their game check.


Tax purposes alone tells me the NFLPA will not support establishing a team in Europe. I haven't looked at Canada or Mexico.

45% ON TOP of US Federal Income Taxes!?!


Yikes.

 

[Manster7588]

45% ON TOP of US Federal Income Taxes!?!


Yikes.

That's what I just read. I know Englands top tax is 45%. But now that I think about it I think that 45% is wrong.

What are the new UK income tax rates and brackets for 2018/19?
Tax Rate (Band) Taxable Income Tax Rate
Personal allowance Up to £11,850 0%
Basic rate £11,851 to £46,350 20%
Higher rate £46,351 to £150,000 40%
Additional rate Over £150,000 45%
Apr 3, 2018



I'm guessing they are taxed in either the 20 or 40% tax rates.
Still very high, and if a team is moved to London nearly all the players whould be in the 45% range.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

That's what I just read. I know Englands top tax is 45%. But now that I think about it I think that 45% is wrong.

What are the new UK income tax rates and brackets for 2018/19?
Tax Rate (Band) Taxable Income Tax Rate
Personal allowance Up to £11,850 0%
Basic rate £11,851 to £46,350 20%
Higher rate £46,351 to £150,000 40%
Additional rate Over £150,000 45%
Apr 3, 2018



I'm guessing they are taxed in either the 20 or 40% tax rates.
Still very high, and if a team is moved to London nearly all the players whould be in the 45% range.

& they would pay our federal tax as well? Even if they lived in England?

 

[Manster7588]

& they would pay our federal tax as well? Even if they lived in England?

Yes after the first $103,000. It would be taxed at 24%

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Yes after the first $103,000. It would be taxed at 24%

well I guess we dont have to worry about having a team in another Country then.

 

[broncosmitty]

That's what I just read. I know Englands top tax is 45%. But now that I think about it I think that 45% is wrong.

What are the new UK income tax rates and brackets for 2018/19?
Tax Rate (Band) Taxable Income Tax Rate
Personal allowance Up to £11,850 0%
Basic rate £11,851 to £46,350 20%
Higher rate £46,351 to £150,000 40%
Additional rate Over £150,000 45%
Apr 3, 2018



I'm guessing they are taxed in either the 20 or 40% tax rates.
Still very high, and if a team is moved to London nearly all the players whould be in the 45% range.

I don't believe any player would be subject to U.K. taxes, so long as their residence does not change to the U.K.

 

[Manster7588]

I don't believe any player would be subject to U.K. taxes, so long as their residence does not change to the U.K.

The way I read it is the players pay Europe taxes now when they play in London
https://www.google.com/amp/s/pjmedi...eadaches-for-players-and-a-tax-nightmare/amp/

 

[Moab]

That's what I just read. I know Englands top tax is 45%. But now that I think about it I think that 45% is wrong.

What are the new UK income tax rates and brackets for 2018/19?
Tax Rate (Band) Taxable Income Tax Rate
Personal allowance Up to £11,850 0%
Basic rate £11,851 to £46,350 20%
Higher rate £46,351 to £150,000 40%
Additional rate Over £150,000 45%
Apr 3, 2018



I'm guessing they are taxed in either the 20 or 40% tax rates.
Still very high, and if a team is moved to London nearly all the players whould be in the 45% range.

Yikes... the next time somebody points out the free healthcare and other services provided in the UK I'm going to show them this gem

 

[shopson67]

Vegas could be anything. They did get a sweetheart of a deal and no competition but the whole thing is unproven. I get that there is a lot of competition in California but California is where you want to be if you want to make $$$. Vegas still seems like a bit of a wild card.

Vegas' population is 641K. What percentage are actually pro football fans and not working Sundays? You could be relying extensively on visitors, which may not be rooting for the Raiders.

 

[shopson67]

Yikes... the next time somebody points out the free healthcare and other services provided in the UK I'm going to show them this gem

Take a look at your pay stub. I'm at the upper end of the basic bracket and the taxes make up 21% of my gross, with health insurance another 7%. 20% sounds pretty good to me...

 

[Moab]

Take a look at your pay stub. I'm at the upper end of the basic bracket and the taxes make up 21% of my gross, with health insurance another 7%. 20% sounds pretty good to me...

40% doesn't sound good at all....plus the VAT and the rest of the crap taxes

 

[shopson67]

40% doesn't sound good at all....plus the VAT and the rest of the crap taxes

Charging those with the money more is how the other classes get included with health care. That dreaded socialism...

Not sure how VAT is applicable here, it's just a different form of sales tax. With VAT, you only get taxed on the "value added", so the consumer is not paying taxes on the value of the raw materials (which the manufacturer already paid). It can be cumbersome, but actually charges the end consumer less than the same rate applied as a straight sales tax. Not sure what that rate is vs US sales tax rates however, as VAT varies depending on the product. Food, books/newspapers and children's clothes are exempt, sanitary products are 5%, but "luxury items" can be as much as 20%.