Which one of these QB's would you rather have?

[Screamin12th]

Yes. We had 102 rushing yards against the Giants. Of which 72 of those yards were Geno Smith. Kenneth Walker had 5 carriers for 19 yards. Charbs 2 carries for 11 yards. Against the Niners the RBs had 19 carries for 52 yards. Funny how you didn't mention that. Why are you being so intentionally dishonest?


Tampa has been more effective at running the ball.

You can't run the ball if your defense can't get off the field. It was true when Pete was coach. It's true now. It will be true in the future.

WOW now you think Irving is a better RB than Walker HAHAHJAH! Tampa has ran the ball 155 times to the Hawks 125 and thats only over 6 games! The Bucs are 15th in the NFL for rushing attemps the Hawks are 32nd ( the rams have 2 less rushing attempts but have only played 5 games ) K9 is looked at as one of the elite RB in the NFL, he just doesnt get the touches.

 

[flyerhawk]

WOW now you think Irving is a better RB than Walker HAHAHJAH! Tampa has ran the ball 155 times to the Hawks 125 and thats only over 6 games! The Bucs are 15th in the NFL for rushing attemps the Hawks are 32nd ( the rams have 2 less rushing attempts but have only played 5 games ) K9 is looked at as one of the elite RB in the NFL, he just doesnt get the touches.

It's not about who is better. I'd imagine that K9 would be highly effective in Tampa as well. But they clearly have a more effective blocking system than we do right now.

Do you think that the Hawks aren't running the ball simply because Grubb doesn't want to? Wasn't that the same thing fans said last year about Waldron?

The key to running is minimizing negative plays. Not only do we have too many short gain running plays, we have too many penalties on those plays which then put us in passing situations. You can't effectively run if you are behind schedule.

 

[Anointed One]

35 of our 47 penalties this year have been on the offense... We are 6th in the NFL in penalties... I don't understand why we're always atop in penalties as a team... 23 of our penalties are false starts and offensive holding... That's tops in the NFL in those 2 categories... That's crazy... That will always keep you behind the chains...

 

[flyerhawk]

35 of our 47 penalties this year have been on the offense... We are 6th in the NFL in penalties... I don't understand why we're always atop in penalties as a team... 23 of our penalties are false starts and offensive holding... That's tops in the NFL in those 2 categories... That's crazy... That will always keep you behind the chains...

Yup. And it just crushes your running game.

 

[Screamin12th]

through the first 5 games the hawks first 10 plays in each game ended up being 37 passes and 13 runs. No they are not trying to run. Thats basically 3 to 1 pass to rush ratio. This is being kind also because it was normally the first drive they would try to keep a little balance it gets MUCH worse the farther you dig into it. We saw them come out and try to run against the 49ers and EVERYONE knew they were going to do it. They had been passing SO DAMN MUCH the smart thing would have been to spread them out and then run out of the spread but no they showed run formation fooled NO ONE and tried to run.

First year coach that is relying to much on his OC to call the right plays. How many of these plays were runs that Geno changed at the LoS? Either the OC has zero clues or Geno is changing the play. Which one is it because either our coaching staff is shit or Geno is. It is one or the other. Our offense is giving our defense ZERO help NONE!

sad thing is 9 TD rushing and only 6 passing.

In some of these games they ended up running a lot in the 4th quarter to close out victories or we could be looking at a 4 to 1 ratio not the 2 to 1 it comes out to be overall.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

To be fair i think young will be traded at some point. Carolina has a good shot at #1 overall again and theyll take another QB.

the kid from texas

Here are the QBs taken in the 1st round the last 5 years, not including this year....

Young
Stroud
Richardson
Burrow
Herbert
Taigovailoa
Love
Pickett
Lawrence
Wilson
Lantz
Murray
Jones
Haskins

Of that entire list there is only 1 that is a true elite level talent. Burrow.

Now Stroud and/or Love might get there but he isn't there yet. So best case 3 of 13 QBs will wind up being worth the pick.

Now we could talk about 2018 which did have 2 elite QBs in Allen and Jackson. But that is a truly exceptional situation.
Realistically the only QBs the Seahawks could have grabbed in that period was Love. Moving up for Stroud or Burrow was not realistic.

dumbass Dan picked Haskins cause he was friends with his son.tepper took young when coaches told him not to.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

So keep waiting for a QB to fall to Seahawks? Hasn't happened since RW for the Seahawks in 2012 so maybe the Seahawks are due for some luck? With Geno the Seahawks were 9-8 2022, 9-8 2023 and the Seahawks are off to a 3-3 start 2024. Many fans felt there were other needs to be addressed like the defense and OL and by not moving up for a QB (or drafting one at all) meant they could fix these area's in the draft. Well....the OL is a mess and the defense hasn't been looking good. We got Sam Howell to look forward too? Oh goody.

In fairness our defense has been hit with injuries and still can't get healthy.
Here's the thing that'll we never know but if the Hawks did move up and took Young, we'd be the Panthers right now. I've always like Stroud over Young but their isn't a guarantee the FO would have gone that route. That's a lot to give up and Chicago is reaping those rewards.
Sam Howell seems to be an average QB as of right now. Could he develop to a better QB? Maybe, maybe not no one really knows but we'll find out next season.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

In fairness our defense has been hit with injuries and still can't get healthy.
Here's the thing that'll we never know but if the Hawks did move up and took Young, we'd be the Panthers right now. I've always like Stroud over Young but their isn't a guarantee the FO would have gone that route. That's a lot to give up and Chicago is reaping those rewards.
Sam Howell seems to be an average QB as of right now. Could he develop to a better QB? Maybe, maybe not no one really knows but we'll find out next season.

Yeah got to make the right choice. Don't be the Panthers who had the choice of Stroud or Young and choose wrong. The Bears moved up to grab Trubisky instead of Mahomes, then they draft Fields, think they finally got it right with Celeb Williams. If you swing and miss, keep swinging until you hit one like the Bears did. Don't be the Giants who resigned Daniel Jones because mediocre is good enough and don't be scared to take a swing for God sakes. Also don't draft a QB when the draft class is poor at QB (like the Giants did), better to pay the toll to move up in a good draft class understanding there are no guarantees the QB will work out.
Getting back to Young, he did have plenty of pundits who rated him at the top of the class but I swear, I don't remember a single football fan here thinking he would the best of the bunch. Rather the opposite was what most fans were saying. I swear Young agent must of been paying the pundits to hype Young.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Yeah got to make the right choice. Don't be the Panthers who had the choice of Stroud or Young and choose wrong. The Bears moved up to grab Trubisky instead of Mahomes, then they draft Fields, think they finally got it right with Celeb Williams. If you swing and miss, keep swinging until you hit one like the Bears did. Don't be the Giants who resigned Daniel Jones because mediocre is good enough and don't be scared to take a swing for God sakes. Also don't draft a QB when the draft class is poor at QB (like the Giants did), better to pay the toll to move up in a good draft class understanding there are no guarantees the QB will work out.
Getting back to Young, he did have plenty of pundits who rated him at the top of the class but I swear, I don't remember a single football fan here thinking he would the best of the bunch. Rather the opposite was what most fans were saying. I swear Young agent must of been paying the pundits to hype Young.

I laughed when Daniel Jones got that contract and said they're screwed. I wanted Stroud, I banged the drum way before draft cause OSU was pretty much on Prime time tv his 2 yrs and I loved what he brought to the table. In fairness I thought Young would be solid QB, way off on that but even with how highly rated Young was I was on the Stroud bandwagon.

Our issue was Seattle was never near the top to ever consider getting a top prospect at QB even with RW's declining skills and maybe Seattle should have pulled the trigger at 5 but again that could have been disastrous if they took Young.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I laughed when Daniel Jones got that contract and said they're screwed. I wanted Stroud, I banged the drum way before draft cause OSU was pretty much on Prime time tv his 2 yrs and I loved what he brought to the table. In fairness I thought Young would be solid QB, way off on that but even with how highly rated Young was I was on the Stroud bandwagon.

Our issue was Seattle was never near the top to ever consider getting a top prospect at QB even with RW's declining skills and maybe Seattle should have pulled the trigger at 5 but again that could have been disastrous if they took Young.

Harold and I were screaming for quite a while on taking Stroud.. sadly the Houston Texans are assholes.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Harold and I were screaming for quite a while on taking Stroud.. sadly the Houston Texans are assholes.

He's going to be great in Houston as long as he stays away from massage parlors.

 

[Judge Fudge]

He's going to be great in Houston as long as he stays away from massage parlors.

What are those?

And were is the nearest one to me

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

What are those?

And were is the nearest one to me

In Deshawn Watson's case a lot of happy endings.

Houston seems to have a lot of places.

 

[JMR]

The QB discussion again???? Sheesh.

 

[Anointed One]

I'm super happy we stayed away from Richardson... His weaknesses in college (accuracy and reading a defense) has translated to the pro's so far... If he doesn't improve soon, he won't be playing much in the NFL... Probably a career backup... 48% passing completion? Ouch...

 

[Screamin12th]

Instead of bringing up names from the past in this thread why not look to the future. What are some things you all would go for as far as bringing in a QB and WHO would you draft/trade/sign? I mean would you bring back Drew Lock and fight it out with Howell for 2025? I wouldn't be against this myself. Neither are the answer though but i think they can keep us where we are currently as far as scoring/production goes. They would need us to use the running game more but we need that anyway.

What about other FA QB's in 2025? Lance, Z. Wilson, Fields. those 3 guys are all 25 or younger none have been great. They all have shown flashes though each one of them. None are close to franchise QB BUT there is room for growth with all of them.

Then you got older QB's but lets not go there. We need youth. If you are not winning superbowls you need to raise up your own young guys and help them mature and grow as players. If you have a chance to snag someone better make sure the foundation is where you want it. Our Offense I think is ready to grow.. has been more than ready to grow with a young QB... if we could just get the oline figured out.

Geno and Howell become FA in 2026. Do you resign one? Both? let Geno walk with a year left? SO many questions.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Instead of bringing up names from the past in this thread why not look to the future. What are some things you all would go for as far as bringing in a QB and WHO would you draft/trade/sign? I mean would you bring back Drew Lock and fight it out with Howell for 2025? I wouldn't be against this myself. Neither are the answer though but i think they can keep us where we are currently as far as scoring/production goes. They would need us to use the running game more but we need that anyway.

What about other FA QB's in 2025? Lance, Z. Wilson, Fields. those 3 guys are all 25 or younger none have been great. They all have shown flashes though each one of them. None are close to franchise QB BUT there is room for growth with all of them.

Then you got older QB's but lets not go there. We need youth. If you are not winning superbowls you need to raise up your own young guys and help them mature and grow as players. If you have a chance to snag someone better make sure the foundation is where you want it. Our Offense I think is ready to grow.. has been more than ready to grow with a young QB... if we could just get the oline figured out.

Geno and Howell become FA in 2026. Do you resign one? Both? let Geno walk with a year left? SO many questions.

If choosing 1 FA I'd go with Fields. Steelers seemed like they found his strengths and his 10TDs to 2 INTs is a good ratio.
In the draft I'm not sure who's out there.
Me personally, I'd give Howell the shot to start and keep building up the defense and o-line in the draft.

 

[blstoker]

If choosing 1 FA I'd go with Fields. Steelers seemed like they found his strengths and his 10TDs to 2 INTs is a good ratio.
In the draft I'm not sure who's out there.
Me personally, I'd give Howell the shot to start and keep building up the defense and o-line in the draft.

Ugh. If we hear complaints about throwing the ball too much with Geno I would want no part of Fields. I can't imagine Fields throwing 50+ times in a games and it ever being anything good for the team he plays for.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Ugh. If we hear complaints about throwing the ball too much with Geno I would want no part of Fields. I can't imagine Fields throwing 50+ times in a games and it ever being anything good for the team he plays for.

That's true, I'm was trying to think realistically cause it's slim pickens when it comes to FA QBs.
I'd go Howell for next year and continue building up the defense and o-line in the 2025 draft.

 

[Screamin12th]

Ugh. If we hear complaints about throwing the ball too much with Geno I would want no part of Fields. I can't imagine Fields throwing 50+ times in a games and it ever being anything good for the team he plays for.

Why not add to the discussion not complain about someones opinion? At least @Jerseyhawksfan70 took a stab at it. He is also right there isn't much to choose from but complaining about it is just short sighted and says you have no insight to add on the subject matter and must just like hearing yourself speak down or belittle others opinions.

If choosing 1 FA I'd go with Fields. Steelers seemed like they found his strengths and his 10TDs to 2 INTs is a good ratio.
In the draft I'm not sure who's out there.
Me personally, I'd give Howell the shot to start and keep building up the defense and o-line in the draft.

He would improve the running game thats for sure. The offense would have to change into a option style to fit him. Im not against this as it's something that can get you through a rebuild with actuall on field success. One thing is forsure the Hawks ARE in rebuild mode and if JS thinks just trading away picks and retooling is a good plan then we wont sniff a deep playoff run for a LONG time. I have said this before and i will say it again, this is starting to smell like TR all over again.