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[cdumler7]

I get you guys are entering the 2nd year in the same system, as we are.. But you are under selling the value Malik brought to your team.. It''s not all about sacks with a guy like that.. And the MLB you guys loss to Fox as well.. Those are some big hits to that D imo..

You are acting like the team has done nothing though to replace such loss. I mean that ignores the fact that they used a 2nd round pick on a guy that all the analyst loved and think could be a huge player in this league. That ignores that we brought in a 4-year starter in Jared Crick that has worked with all of the coaching staff on the defensive side of the ball from his time in Houston. That is ignoring the fact that the Broncos drafted a guy last year that they let red shirt for a season that showed huge promise with his pass rushing skills in the pre season.

I mean just because you lose talent doesn't mean you don't also gain talent as well. Also Malik if I remember right had the highest 1-on-1 rate of any DT/DE in the NFL this past season. He still only managed 5 sacks. Now don't get me wrong I liked the guy but it wasn't like he was so dominant that he is irreplaceable like that of Von Miller. In fact Malik got ouplayed by our other DE Wolfe to close out the season. Wolfe is our better pass rushing DE. Malik was more of a run stopper actually for us.

Now also while this will be year 2 for you guys this will be year 1 for most of your secondary. Like I said one of the biggest keys to a great secondary is great communication. The Broncos players can watch a shift and not even have to say a single word to each other as they know the switches they make without even having to talk. That only happens over time.

Now don't get me wrong I do think it is an improved secondary but I would rate it 3rd behind the Broncos and Chiefs. They have the more proven units and don't forget you did lose a 2nd team All-Pro safety. Yes Nelson coming in does help to counter some of that but you can't discount also the leadership that Woodson brought to that unit. I mean we are talking HOF player here.

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

You are acting like the team has done nothing though to replace such loss. I mean that ignores the fact that they used a 2nd round pick on a guy that all the analyst loved and think could be a huge player in this league. That ignores that we brought in a 4-year starter in Jared Crick that has worked with all of the coaching staff on the defensive side of the ball from his time in Houston. That is ignoring the fact that the Broncos drafted a guy last year that they let red shirt for a season that showed huge promise with his pass rushing skills in the pre season.

I mean just because you lose talent doesn't mean you don't also gain talent as well. Also Malik if I remember right had the highest 1-on-1 rate of any DT/DE in the NFL this past season. He still only managed 5 sacks. Now don't get me wrong I liked the guy but it wasn't like he was so dominant that he is irreplaceable like that of Von Miller. In fact Malik got ouplayed by our other DE Wolfe to close out the season. Wolfe is our better pass rushing DE. Malik was more of a run stopper actually for us.

Now also while this will be year 2 for you guys this will be year 1 for most of your secondary. Like I said one of the biggest keys to a great secondary is great communication. The Broncos players can watch a shift and not even have to say a single word to each other as they know the switches they make without even having to talk. That only happens over time.

Now don't get me wrong I do think it is an improved secondary but I would rate it 3rd behind the Broncos and Chiefs. They have the more proven units and don't forget you did lose a 2nd team All-Pro safety. Yes Nelson coming in does help to counter some of that but you can't discount also the leadership that Woodson brought to that unit. I mean we are talking HOF player here.

Dang cd, you don't mess around!! The hour is late and i have a small buzz, so my mind is a little fuzzy at the moment.. But?? That rookie Gotsis will NOT impact the team like a seasoned Vet like Malik did for you guys, don't try to sell that to me cd.. Malik is a 80M dollar man, Gotsis is a RAW prospect..

And we too have that communication that you are talking about.. I took our team half a season to pickup the system KNJ put in.. A man did they pick it up, and that was a with a depleted D.. The key cd to a GREAT secondary is a great pass rush, what you guys had last year, but im afraid you guys took to big of a hit to that D for it to play at that same level..

 

[cdumler7]

Dang cd, you don't mess around!! The hour is late and i have a small buzz, so my mind is a little fuzzy at the moment.. But?? That rookie Gotsis will NOT impact the team like a seasoned Vet like Malik did for you guys, don't try to sell that to me cd.. Malik is a 80M dollar man, Gotsis is a RAW prospect..

And we too have that communication that you are talking about.. I took our team half a season to pickup the system KNJ put in.. A man did they pick it up, and that was a with a depleted D.. The key cd to a GREAT secondary is a great pass rush, what you guys had last year, but im afraid you guys took to big of a hit to that D for it to play at that same level..

Seems like you are having a very selective memory here Idaho. Your defense over the 2nd half of the season gave up 23.5 points per game. That is barely average in the league. So not like they all of a sudden went crazy on the league.

Also I didn't compare just Gotsis to that of Malik. I said they have guys like Crick who they brought in and some depth guys last year that while they didn't get the snaps that Malik did still put up very good numbers that will be given the shot to take his spot. They also drafted a guy and put another pass rushing specialist of the DL on IR to save him for this season.

Now right now yeah I can't fully say that they will replace Malik fully. Just like you can't say that your secondary already has the great communication when 3 of the 4 pieces weren't even on the team last year. You can't also say that your pass rush will be better. Bruce Irvin stopped being used as a pass rusher in Seattle for a reason. They have some of the best minds in all of football on the defensive side of the ball and they didn't view him as a Pass Rusher. So why all of a sudden is he going to be a great pass rusher for you guys? Come on Idaho that is just as much if not more wishful thinking on your part than on mine for replacing Malik. You have no clue what Edwards will be because of injury. You don't know what the rookies will bring. You don't know what all the new pieces in the secondary will do considering most of them are playing completely new schemes that they have never done in their career. So if you are going to get after me for trying to prove how we are going to replace Malik then honestly you are doing the same thing of being over optimistic in your hope that everything the team has done in FA and the Draft all of a sudden just all works out great. At least for the Broncos we are talking about 1 position here. You are talking about maybe 6 positions on your defense working out in your favor.

and yeah I don't sleep Saturday nights usually.

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

Seems like you are having a very selective memory here Idaho. Your defense over the 2nd half of the season gave up 23.5 points per game. That is barely average in the league. So not like they all of a sudden went crazy on the league.

Also I didn't compare just Gotsis to that of Malik. I said they have guys like Crick who they brought in and some depth guys last year that while they didn't get the snaps that Malik did still put up very good numbers that will be given the shot to take his spot. They also drafted a guy and put another pass rushing specialist of the DL on IR to save him for this season.

Now right now yeah I can't fully say that they will replace Malik fully. Just like you can't say that your secondary already has the great communication when 3 of the 4 pieces weren't even on the team last year. You can't also say that your pass rush will be better. Bruce Irvin stopped being used as a pass rusher in Seattle for a reason. They have some of the best minds in all of football on the defensive side of the ball and they didn't view him as a Pass Rusher. So why all of a sudden is he going to be a great pass rusher for you guys? Come on Idaho that is just as much if not more wishful thinking on your part than on mine for replacing Malik. You have no clue what Edwards will be because of injury. You don't know what the rookies will bring. You don't know what all the new pieces in the secondary will do considering most of them are playing completely new schemes that they have never done in their career. So if you are going to get after me for trying to prove how we are going to replace Malik then honestly you are doing the same thing of being over optimistic in your hope that everything the team has done in FA and the Draft all of a sudden just all works out great. At least for the Broncos we are talking about 1 position here. You are talking about maybe 6 positions on your defense working out in your favor.

and yeah I don't sleep Saturday nights usually.

A lot of holes in this post cd, Cmon man.. But im afraid im losing focus at the moment..
This one is shaping up as a good one dude, and i will reply to it as you know.. Im going to take a few hours off..
And as you know?? I shall return..

 

[cdumler7]

A lot of holes in this post cd, Cmon man.. But im afraid im losing focus at the moment..
This one is shaping up as a good one dude, and i will reply to it as you know.. Im going to take a few hours off..
And as you know?? I shall return..

Sounds good. Not sure what holes you are talking about here. I have spoken to replacing one player in Malik. You have spoken about having 2 new safeties, a new starting Corner, your pass rush being improved but that being from a guy who was not used as a pass rusher at his last place and that of 2 rookies being added to the roster. So that is about 5-6 new pieces you are talking about all having to work out in your favor. I've pointed this out before but you seem to ignore it. How is Sean Smith a fit in your system. You keep talking about how the Raiders have been smart in their spending of only bringing in guys that are a great system fit but Sean Smith has never played in a system like what the Raiders play. His success has only been in a press-man scheme with great safety help over the top. The Raiders run an off-man/zone scheme something that when I have watched Sean Smith play that role he has struggled with. He needs to get his hands on a guy at the beginning. I mean this is like when Aso was playing for the Raiders and played Press-man coverage and then went to Philly and played Off-Zone coverage. How did that work out for Aso and the Eagles? Not well.

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

Man, we are just the better team.. It's the year of the Silver and black!! Come get some..

 

[cdumler7]

Man, we are just the better team.. It's the year of the Silver and black!! Come get some..

So is this your answer to my questions?

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

So is this your answer to my questions?

I just now getting to that cd.. I had a GOOD weekend so not much posting for me.. But im a little free today..

 

[cdumler7]

I just now getting to that cd.. I had a GOOD weekend so not much posting for me.. But im a little free today..

Got yah. Glad you had a good weekend man.

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

Got yah. Glad you had a good weekend man.

Thanks dude, and back at ya.. So i will answer that last post..

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

Seems like you are having a very selective memory here Idaho. Your defense over the 2nd half of the season gave up 23.5 points per game. That is barely average in the league. So not like they all of a sudden went crazy on the league.

Also I didn't compare just Gotsis to that of Malik. I said they have guys like Crick who they brought in and some depth guys last year that while they didn't get the snaps that Malik did still put up very good numbers that will be given the shot to take his spot. They also drafted a guy and put another pass rushing specialist of the DL on IR to save him for this season.

Now right now yeah I can't fully say that they will replace Malik fully. Just like you can't say that your secondary already has the great communication when 3 of the 4 pieces weren't even on the team last year. You can't also say that your pass rush will be better. Bruce Irvin stopped being used as a pass rusher in Seattle for a reason. They have some of the best minds in all of football on the defensive side of the ball and they didn't view him as a Pass Rusher. So why all of a sudden is he going to be a great pass rusher for you guys? Come on Idaho that is just as much if not more wishful thinking on your part than on mine for replacing Malik. You have no clue what Edwards will be because of injury. You don't know what the rookies will bring. You don't know what all the new pieces in the secondary will do considering most of them are playing completely new schemes that they have never done in their career. So if you are going to get after me for trying to prove how we are going to replace Malik then honestly you are doing the same thing of being over optimistic in your hope that everything the team has done in FA and the Draft all of a sudden just all works out great. At least for the Broncos we are talking about 1 position here. You are talking about maybe 6 positions on your defense working out in your favor.

and yeah I don't sleep Saturday nights usually.

Cd, stats don't always tell the whole story man, they are just numbers that people can use anyway they want..

You say Irvin was stopped being used as a pass rusher is true, but that is because the guy has great coverage skills.. KNJ used him as a pass rusher and the guy did pretty good, but his coverage skills were to good and Seattle used as just that.. KNJ said this guy can be great at pass rushing as he should know, cuz that was his coach.. And now with Edwards being cleared fully and with drafting Calhoun Pass Rush should not be a problem for us, in fact it will be real good.. And let's not forget Mack either.. And Jihad will play inside along with Williams, Jelly and Autry.. We loaded on that front cd.. In fact we could have the deepest DL rotation in the league..

Now with you guys losing Malik the beast DT and your beast MLB will hurt you guys a lot more than you think..
Gotsis can rotate in there, but make no mistake he is no Malik.. Leading up to FA every sports channel broke down his game and the value he meant to you guys, he will be missed bigtime more than you think..
And then you throw in losing a great MLB as well?? Not easy to replace those guys.. And on the other hand, we added to our D..

 

[cdumler7]

Cd, stats don't always tell the whole story man, they are just numbers that people can use anyway they want..

You say Irvin was stopped being used as a pass rusher is true, but that is because the guy has great coverage skills.. KNJ used him as a pass rusher and the guy did pretty good, but his coverage skills were to good and Seattle used as just that.. KNJ said this guy can be great at pass rushing as he should know, cuz that was his coach.. And now with Edwards being cleared fully and with drafting Calhoun Pass Rush should not be a problem for us, in fact it will be real good.. And let's not forget Mack either.. And Jihad will play inside along with Williams, Jelly and Autry.. We loaded on that front cd.. In fact we could have the deepest DL rotation in the league..

Now with you guys losing Malik the beast DT and your beast MLB will hurt you guys a lot more than you think..
Gotsis can rotate in there, but make no mistake he is no Malik.. Leading up to FA every sports channel broke down his game and the value he meant to you guys, he will be missed bigtime more than you think..
And then you throw in losing a great MLB as well?? Not easy to replace those guys.. And on the other hand, we added to our D..

Couple of thoughts...

1) I agree stats don't tell the whole story which is why I commented about the Seahawks not using him as a pass rusher very often. That should be a pretty big sign along with them not even trying to re-sign him or even giving him his 5th year option. They didn't view him as a vital part of that defense. So in comes the Raiders who pay him to be a vital piece of their defense. Most players don't just all of a sudden turn it on. Another issue with him is the fact you guys are going to use him as a 4-3 DE. He graded out as the worst run stopping Outside Linebacker in the league this past season. So at best he is a situational pass rusher being used in a way that his last team stopped using him after his rookie season.

2) You seem to be having a double standard here Idaho. In one breath you mention how Malik and Trevathan on not replaceable and that I can't count on a rookie actually replacing Malik's skill set. Yet then in the next breath you talk about how these rookies will come in and be great for the Raiders and add to the pass rush. Why can't our guy stand a chance of replacing Malik? I mean Malik came to us as a 5th round pick. Nobody thought he would become what he did yet he did. I mean our DL coach who spent 6 weeks telling Elway to draft this kid told Elway that he sees JJ Watt in this kid. And hey who would know JJ Watt better than the DL coach who coached JJ Watt when he was drafted in the league and helped him to become the best defensive player in the league.

3) As for Trevathan I definitely will miss him. At the same time the Broncos didn't even draft a linebacker this past draft. They love the guys they have waiting in the wings. Elway and the coaches since the season ended have talked this group up. So again why can't his production be replaced? Trevathan came in as a 6th round pick that replaced Woodyard that many said was irreplaceable. Then look what happened. You are acting like the Raiders are the only team that can bring people in and them have a positive impact on the team. The Broncos have obviously shown they can bring people in from all over the place and have them have a positive impact. Chris Harris and CJ Anderson were both UDFA players that quickly made an impact. Shaq Barret as well after sitting a year on the practice Squad. They have had late round guys contribute. They have signed guys off the waiver wire like Brandon Marshall who played as one of the best ILB's in the entire league this past year after being cut by Jacksonville of all places. They have had cheap FA's all of a sudden become Pro Bowl players for us. Elway and company have been some of the best scouts in the entire league at finding talent many different ways. It is why they won a Super Bowl even with some of the worst QB play in the entire league. It is why Elway by most is considered the 2nd best GM in the entire league only behind Bill Belichick.

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

Couple of thoughts...

1) I agree stats don't tell the whole story which is why I commented about the Seahawks not using him as a pass rusher very often. That should be a pretty big sign along with them not even trying to re-sign him or even giving him his 5th year option. They didn't view him as a vital part of that defense. So in comes the Raiders who pay him to be a vital piece of their defense. Most players don't just all of a sudden turn it on. Another issue with him is the fact you guys are going to use him as a 4-3 DE. He graded out as the worst run stopping Outside Linebacker in the league this past season. So at best he is a situational pass rusher being used in a way that his last team stopped using him after his rookie season.

2) You seem to be having a double standard here Idaho. In one breath you mention how Malik and Trevathan on not replaceable and that I can't count on a rookie actually replacing Malik's skill set. Yet then in the next breath you talk about how these rookies will come in and be great for the Raiders and add to the pass rush. Why can't our guy stand a chance of replacing Malik? I mean Malik came to us as a 5th round pick. Nobody thought he would become what he did yet he did. I mean our DL coach who spent 6 weeks telling Elway to draft this kid told Elway that he sees JJ Watt in this kid. And hey who would know JJ Watt better than the DL coach who coached JJ Watt when he was drafted in the league and helped him to become the best defensive player in the league.

3) As for Trevathan I definitely will miss him. At the same time the Broncos didn't even draft a linebacker this past draft. They love the guys they have waiting in the wings. Elway and the coaches since the season ended have talked this group up. So again why can't his production be replaced? Trevathan came in as a 6th round pick that replaced Woodyard that many said was irreplaceable. Then look what happened. You are acting like the Raiders are the only team that can bring people in and them have a positive impact on the team. The Broncos have obviously shown they can bring people in from all over the place and have them have a positive impact. Chris Harris and CJ Anderson were both UDFA players that quickly made an impact. Shaq Barret as well after sitting a year on the practice Squad. They have had late round guys contribute. They have signed guys off the waiver wire like Brandon Marshall who played as one of the best ILB's in the entire league this past year after being cut by Jacksonville of all places. They have had cheap FA's all of a sudden become Pro Bowl players for us. Elway and company have been some of the best scouts in the entire league at finding talent many different ways. It is why they won a Super Bowl even with some of the worst QB play in the entire league. It is why Elway by most is considered the 2nd best GM in the entire league only behind Bill Belichick.

It's simple cd, the Seahawks could not afford to keep Irvin, just like you guys could not afford to keep Malik and Danny.. But make no mistake those players will be missed by their former teams.. It's what happens when teams have alot of high priced players.. So to say they didn't want to keep Irvin is a little silly don't you think?? That's like saying you guys didn't want to keep Malik and Danny.. So let's not trash them on the way out either, those are impact SB winning players..
And as far as Irvin playing DE only?? Look how that worked out for Mack, All Pro at DE/LB same role we have in store for Irvin.. Besides we playing 34, 43 and 52 cd, so his role will be multiple..

And cd?? I never said Jihad will have a huge impact for us, he is like Gotsis both are raw but will be rotated in and out till they get a feel for the game.. Now Calhoun is ready for prime time as a pure pass rusher!! He only had 2 less pressures than 3 overall pick Bosa for crying out loud.. And they know how to teach D play at MSU that's for sure.. We will be sending him at Lynch all day long..

Dude, draft position means nothing, can you play the game at a high level is what counts..
Malik and Danny showed that they could, and impact the game in a huge way.. They were a big part in that SB run you guys had.. Malik was a huge reason why that pass rush was so deadly, make no mistake about that.. And we all know the value of great MLB play!! So im not saying you guys don't have guys sitting in the wings or nothing like that.. But the truth here is, those are HUGE hits to your D as a whole..

 

[cdumler7]

It's simple cd, the Seahawks could not afford to keep Irvin, just like you guys could not afford to keep Malik and Danny.. But make no mistake those players will be missed by their former teams.. It's what happens when teams have alot of high priced players.. So to say they didn't want to keep Irvin is a little silly don't you think?? That's like saying you guys didn't want to keep Malik and Danny.. So let's not trash them on the way out either, those are impact SB winning players..
And as far as Irvin playing DE only?? Look how that worked out for Mack, All Pro at DE/LB same role we have in store for Irvin.. Besides we playing 34, 43 and 52 cd, so his role will be multiple..

And cd?? I never said Jihad will have a huge impact for us, he is like Gotsis both are raw but will be rotated in and out till they get a feel for the game.. Now Calhoun is ready for prime time as a pure pass rusher!! He only had 2 less pressures than 3 overall pick Bosa for crying out loud.. And they know how to teach D play at MSU that's for sure.. We will be sending him at Lynch all day long..

Dude, draft position means nothing, can you play the game at a high level is what counts..
Malik and Danny showed that they could, and impact the game in a huge way.. They were a big part in that SB run you guys had.. Malik was a huge reason why that pass rush was so deadly, make no mistake about that.. And we all know the value of great MLB play!! So im not saying you guys don't have guys sitting in the wings or nothing like that.. But the truth here is, those are HUGE hits to your D as a whole..

Actually Seattle had plenty of Cap Space to keep Irvin. More so than the Broncos had to keep Malik and Trevathan. Even there though they could have kept them by easily loading up the bigger cap hits in year two than year one. I mean the Broncos right now have the most cap space of any team in the league next year. So not like they are hurting in that category. They just like the guys they have sitting in the wing and the fact that this was a deep DL draft than to pay a guy like Malik who was probably our 6th best player on our defense.

Also have to remember Malik had a ton of one-on-one opportunities with the Broncos. Teams were much more worried about Ware and Miller coming off the edges. Heck they worried more about Wolfe as well as he saw more double teams yet still was the better pass rusher of the two.

As for Irvin I guess we will just have to see. To me that was maybe the worst move Oakland made this off season. They had a good off season but that one with how much they are paying him I just don't see him living up to that pay check. I think he will be a situational player and yet is being paid like a top pass rusher in the league.

And I agree draft position means nothing but what I was saying is the Broncos have been one of the better teams at finding talent all over the place. You guys picking Mack at 5th overall there is an expectation he is going to produce. Just like when we picked Miller #2 overall. I expect a big impact from such a player. The best teams in the league though can find those late round guys who can have an impact. They can also find them in waiver wire pick ups, cheap FA deals, and UDFA players. That is why the Broncos have done so well even though they have played in a very tough division. They are getting impact play from guys making very little money that allow them to pay guys like Manning, Ware, Talib, and others.

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

Actually Seattle had plenty of Cap Space to keep Irvin. More so than the Broncos had to keep Malik and Trevathan. Even there though they could have kept them by easily loading up the bigger cap hits in year two than year one. I mean the Broncos right now have the most cap space of any team in the league next year. So not like they are hurting in that category. They just like the guys they have sitting in the wing and the fact that this was a deep DL draft than to pay a guy like Malik who was probably our 6th best player on our defense.

Also have to remember Malik had a ton of one-on-one opportunities with the Broncos. Teams were much more worried about Ware and Miller coming off the edges. Heck they worried more about Wolfe as well as he saw more double teams yet still was the better pass rusher of the two.

As for Irvin I guess we will just have to see. To me that was maybe the worst move Oakland made this off season. They had a good off season but that one with how much they are paying him I just don't see him living up to that pay check. I think he will be a situational player and yet is being paid like a top pass rusher in the league.

And I agree draft position means nothing but what I was saying is the Broncos have been one of the better teams at finding talent all over the place. You guys picking Mack at 5th overall there is an expectation he is going to produce. Just like when we picked Miller #2 overall. I expect a big impact from such a player. The best teams in the league though can find those late round guys who can have an impact. They can also find them in waiver wire pick ups, cheap FA deals, and UDFA players. That is why the Broncos have done so well even though they have played in a very tough division. They are getting impact play from guys making very little money that allow them to pay guys like Manning, Ware, Talib, and others.

Other than Ose Irvin was our best FA this year, make no mistake about that cd..
He will impact our team and that's what we need from him..

And i think Malik was the second most important player on your D last year.. And cd, they broke down all his game and what he meant to you guys as you know.. You underselling him big time.. Now can you replace him?? Sure every player can be replaced, but that don't mean you get the same production from his replacement either.. For example?? KC loses Houston, im sure they will put a body there to replace him, but that don't mean the guy will ball like Houston either now does it??

And good drafting in the lower rounds is how good teams are built over time.. That's what i like about Reggie.. Alot of our players are lower round picks, as well as UDFAs.. The first 2 picks from any draft should be play right away players, after that it's great GM time..

This is pretty cool?? I was watching ESPN the other day and they were talking Fantasy sleepers.. And guess what 2 players made that dude's list?? Washington and Booker..
Im sorry here cd.. Washington > Booker

 

[cdumler7]

Other than Ose Irvin was our best FA this year, make no mistake about that cd..
He will impact our team and that's what we need from him..

And i think Malik was the second most important player on your D last year.. And cd, they broke down all his game and what he meant to you guys as you know.. You underselling him big time.. Now can you replace him?? Sure every player can be replaced, but that don't mean you get the same production from his replacement either.. For example?? KC loses Houston, im sure they will put a body there to replace him, but that don't mean the guy will ball like Houston either now does it??

And good drafting in the lower rounds is how good teams are built over time.. That's what i like about Reggie.. Alot of our players are lower round picks, as well as UDFAs.. The first 2 picks from any draft should be play right away players, after that it's great GM time..

This is pretty cool?? I was watching ESPN the other day and they were talking Fantasy sleepers.. And guess what 2 players made that dude's list?? Washington and Booker..
Im sorry here cd.. Washington > Booker

Malik our 2nd best player on defense? Ummmm come on now Idaho. If you actually watched Bronco games you would see no team we faced ever came close to thinking that. They left him singled up almost the entire game. You don't do that to the guy you respect that much. Like I said Wolfe saw more Double Teams than that of Malik when he came back from his suspension. Yet he still had more sacks in less games and more pressure on the QB in general. Throw in we have guys who have graded out as some of the best players at their position like Chris Harris one of the top-3 or so Corners in the entire league. Talib is easily a top-10 Corner. Trevathan I would even put ahead of Malik. Brandon Marshall is another that has been the heart of our defense the last 2 years. Ware has been our defensive captain and graded out as one of the best per pass rush attempt guys int he entire league. I would put Malik ahead of both our safeties in Ward and Stewart. I would put him ahead of our NT in Sly Williams. Beyond that maybe a toss up with Trevathan but otherwise the other guys are way more important to the Broncos. If Malik was our 2nd most important defensive player the team would have made way more of an effort to keep him. You don't let a guy like that get away. Heck they even spoke before FA hit that they didn't view him as one of their top defensive players and wanted to pay him more in line with how they saw him compared to our other guys.

And your late round guys really haven't done a ton. You have your RB and otherwise I don't see any late round guys being huge impact players. At least not considered maybe top-10 at their position like that of Trevathan, Malik, Harris, Marshall, Anderson.

And we will just have to see on Booker and Washington. I was reading the other day on some analysis of the pick and the guy said he talked to a lot of GM's about Washington and they all said they just don't see him as an every down back and because of that they didn't have a very high grade on him. Teams were scared off from Booker not because they don't view him as an every down back but because he is coming off injury. Just have to see who was right as time goes on.

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

Malik our 2nd best player on defense? Ummmm come on now Idaho. If you actually watched Bronco games you would see no team we faced ever came close to thinking that. They left him singled up almost the entire game. You don't do that to the guy you respect that much. Like I said Wolfe saw more Double Teams than that of Malik when he came back from his suspension. Yet he still had more sacks in less games and more pressure on the QB in general. Throw in we have guys who have graded out as some of the best players at their position like Chris Harris one of the top-3 or so Corners in the entire league. Talib is easily a top-10 Corner. Trevathan I would even put ahead of Malik. Brandon Marshall is another that has been the heart of our defense the last 2 years. Ware has been our defensive captain and graded out as one of the best per pass rush attempt guys int he entire league. I would put Malik ahead of both our safeties in Ward and Stewart. I would put him ahead of our NT in Sly Williams. Beyond that maybe a toss up with Trevathan but otherwise the other guys are way more important to the Broncos. If Malik was our 2nd most important defensive player the team would have made way more of an effort to keep him. You don't let a guy like that get away. Heck they even spoke before FA hit that they didn't view him as one of their top defensive players and wanted to pay him more in line with how they saw him compared to our other guys.

And your late round guys really haven't done a ton. You have your RB and otherwise I don't see any late round guys being huge impact players. At least not considered maybe top-10 at their position like that of Trevathan, Malik, Harris, Marshall, Anderson.

And we will just have to see on Booker and Washington. I was reading the other day on some analysis of the pick and the guy said he talked to a lot of GM's about Washington and they all said they just don't see him as an every down back and because of that they didn't have a very high grade on him. Teams were scared off from Booker not because they don't view him as an every down back but because he is coming off injury. Just have to see who was right as time goes on.

I will not back off of that cd, Malik was the second most important player for you guys.. Now i understand you saying otherwise, cuz that's what we as fans do when we no longer have said players.. Again cd im not saying you guys will stink on D or anything like that, im just saying that Malik will be missed and not as easy to replace as you think.. Now im sure he will be replaced by some body, but will he play at the same HIGH level that made Malik an 80M dollar man is the thing..

And of course cd our late round picks are not YET monsters, cuz we were a young team still building up the talent base.. Our rookies were starters and impact players for us, but they were young and needed more talent around them.. Remember where we came from cd..
You guys had a good talent base then added a still in his PRIME PM who brought with him TOP impact FAs with him.. So those later round picks for you guys made a bigger impact on a team loaded with top FA talent..
Now we have that top rated FA talent so our lower round picks will make a bigger impact for us..

And teams were scared off from ALL late round pick RBs and yet they are the ones who impact teams.. Reggie is getting high rated drafts and really likes Washington, said he can do it all.. So i will take his word for it over some other dude, as you would for your players im sure.. Some people out there say Lynch is not that good and needs around 3 years to even learn the game before he's even ready to play, but im sure you don't buy that right?? Or Gotsis is so raw that he was a bad pick, but again you don't buy that, just like i don't regarding our players..

 

[cdumler7]

I will not back off of that cd, Malik was the second most important player for you guys.. Now i understand you saying otherwise, cuz that's what we as fans do when we no longer have said players.. Again cd im not saying you guys will stink on D or anything like that, im just saying that Malik will be missed and not as easy to replace as you think.. Now im sure he will be replaced by some body, but will he play at the same HIGH level that made Malik an 80M dollar man is the thing..

And of course cd our late round picks are not YET monsters, cuz we were a young team still building up the talent base.. Our rookies were starters and impact players for us, but they were young and needed more talent around them.. Remember where we came from cd..
You guys had a good talent base then added a still in his PRIME PM who brought with him TOP impact FAs with him.. So those later round picks for you guys made a bigger impact on a team loaded with top FA talent..
Now we have that top rated FA talent so our lower round picks will make a bigger impact for us..

And teams were scared off from ALL late round pick RBs and yet they are the ones who impact teams.. Reggie is getting high rated drafts and really likes Washington, said he can do it all.. So i will take his word for it over some other dude, as you would for your players im sure.. Some people out there say Lynch is not that good and needs around 3 years to even learn the game before he's even ready to play, but im sure you don't buy that right?? Or Gotsis is so raw that he was a bad pick, but again you don't buy that, just like i don't regarding our players..

I've been saying that about Malik for quite some time. Heck he wasn't even an actual full time starter until this past season. He was more of a situational player his first 3 years in the league. If you go on the Broncos board and look lots of us were saying that exact same thing of him maybe being 6th or 7th best player on our defense. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player just goes to show the talent we have/had on our defense.

Also lots of mediocre players get huge money in FA. The bad teams in the league spend huge money in FA because they don't have players on their team worth spending the money on in the first place.

And actually on our draft I have no clue what Lynch or Gotsis will be. This is where you and I differ. While I like our team's draft picks I understand how easily they could all be busts. I don't just automatically think they are going to come in and be huge impact players. I can see why they say he might need 3 years before he is fully ready to start. AT the same time most rookie QB's these days do need that much time before we actually know what they are so I don't consider that some kind of revelation for anybody to say. I also understand the scheme he ran in college makes his transition to the NFL that much more of a leap. Gotsis is in a different boat because he doesn't have a position that is quite that demanding. He is mostly told to hit the guy in front of him and get to the football. I worry more about his injury healing than I do for his readiness for the NFL.

Again we will just have to see on all of this. You love your FA group and to me I hate the players you guys brought in. I think they are terrible scheme fits and that you guys very much overpaid partly because you had to. I don't think they are core type players yet you are paying them that way. I think Sean Smith especially will be much more a liability with the Raiders than he was with the Chiefs because of the change in scheme. I think QB's will pick on him quite a bit this upcoming season. I also don't think teams will respect Irvin. The Broncos I can guarantee are going to run the heck out of the football right at him because of his lack of size and ability to anchor at the point of attack. I think your run defense will actually be worse because of him being in the starting line up.

Now that doesn't mean I think the Raiders are going to be a bad team. I just see them more as an 8-8 type team. Obviously you disagree and that is fine and like I"ve said plenty I have been wrong plenty of times in my life. I just am having a hard time seeing the fits and the impact.

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

I've been saying that about Malik for quite some time. Heck he wasn't even an actual full time starter until this past season. He was more of a situational player his first 3 years in the league. If you go on the Broncos board and look lots of us were saying that exact same thing of him maybe being 6th or 7th best player on our defense. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player just goes to show the talent we have/had on our defense.

Also lots of mediocre players get huge money in FA. The bad teams in the league spend huge money in FA because they don't have players on their team worth spending the money on in the first place.

And actually on our draft I have no clue what Lynch or Gotsis will be. This is where you and I differ. While I like our team's draft picks I understand how easily they could all be busts. I don't just automatically think they are going to come in and be huge impact players. I can see why they say he might need 3 years before he is fully ready to start. AT the same time most rookie QB's these days do need that much time before we actually know what they are so I don't consider that some kind of revelation for anybody to say. I also understand the scheme he ran in college makes his transition to the NFL that much more of a leap. Gotsis is in a different boat because he doesn't have a position that is quite that demanding. He is mostly told to hit the guy in front of him and get to the football. I worry more about his injury healing than I do for his readiness for the NFL.

Again we will just have to see on all of this. You love your FA group and to me I hate the players you guys brought in. I think they are terrible scheme fits and that you guys very much overpaid partly because you had to. I don't think they are core type players yet you are paying them that way. I think Sean Smith especially will be much more a liability with the Raiders than he was with the Chiefs because of the change in scheme. I think QB's will pick on him quite a bit this upcoming season. I also don't think teams will respect Irvin. The Broncos I can guarantee are going to run the heck out of the football right at him because of his lack of size and ability to anchor at the point of attack. I think your run defense will actually be worse because of him being in the starting line up.

Now that doesn't mean I think the Raiders are going to be a bad team. I just see them more as an 8-8 type team. Obviously you disagree and that is fine and like I"ve said plenty I have been wrong plenty of times in my life. I just am having a hard time seeing the fits and the impact.

Funny but i see you guys as an 8-8 team more than i do any other in the AFCW.. And of course cd you are not going to like our moves in FA or the draft, Cmon man.. We are rivals dude, never Props just debate.. But we can be cool about it.. Besides everybody gave our FA haul HIGH marks, and you want me to believe a rival fan that it's not?? Cmon be real..

And cd?? I never said that ALL our draft picks will be beast, but again im not going to be doom and gloom about it either.. Our first round pick Joseph looks well like a BEAST and you know he does, so you know he will impact our team.. Jihad is raw, but has the skills like the guy you guys took Gotsis.. They will both be rotated in and out of the lineup till they are BOTH ready for major playing time.. Now Calhoun is ready for pass rush duty, a major player at MSU, and so on.. Im not a doom and gloom kind of guy cd, and you know this..

And as for Malik?? Dude was the number one rated FA for a reason man, whether you like that or not..
And as far as FAs fitting a scheme?? ALL the ones that helped you guys win the SB fit you guys, but our FAs won't fit us right?? Reggie and JDR along with everybody else do not agree with you cd..

 

[idahoraiderfan33]

We played the hardest schedule in the league last year, while our young team learned how to win.. This year we added Ose, Irvin, Smith, Nelson and a very good draft, as well as the continued growth of Carr, Coop, etc, as well as second year in same system and have an schedule that is much more promising than last year.. And that's only worth one game to some..