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Likely fair about point #1 - but Burrow was clearly not happy...whatever the issues are, I actually think this is a good thing. Burrow likely needs to push a bit more to get the offense on its best setup, IMO.

All is like a better version of Sample in this: He's clearly a better option in the passing game, and Burrow seemed to like him a lot. He was also a good and WILLING blocker - not Sample good, but his willingness means he likely will get better here. The perfect mix between Gesicki (big slot WR) and Sample (Blocking TE). Agreed - this means we likely start to see more of McLachlan - clearly they saw a lot of him to keep him on the roster and did not want to lose him. Hudson is fine for what he is - and has clearly fallen on the depth chart with All being more ready than expected. I expect to see more of him in the short-term until Lachlan shows he can get on the field now.

I think this is a bit unfair to Yoshi. Yes, there are going to be some experience issues - but I think to draw any kind of correlation with Ross is - well - I think off base. Ross caught 51 passes for 10 TD's in his 4 year career with the Bengals. Yoshi in 1 1/2 half years has 30 receptions for 8 TD's. He's also the 3rd/4th target on most plays - whereas Ross was a day 1 starter. Yes, still some inexperience, but he's also flashed with some really solid catches, in some big spots, and of course - it never hurts to have a guy who just seems to score TD's....but on the current trajectory - Yoshi is going to blow past Ross, potentially, in just 2 years. I think you can do a lot worse than having a guy like Yoshi being your 3rd WR when a starter goes down - or when an expected high talented rookie seems to be his own worst enemy on getting into the games.
My biggest problem with Ross is that we drafted the pick before KC selected Mahomes. Talk about a fuck up.
 

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My biggest problem with Ross is that we drafted the pick before KC selected Mahomes. Talk about a fuck up.
Yes - but no one knew he would be that good. At the time, they really liked Dalton and he needed another WR - and Dalton was on a nice contract, IIRC - but I 100% agree...they should have already been looking ahead - but in 2017...

There were a lot of people who did not like that pick - I get why the Bengals went that way, but the made the same mistake with Ross as they did with Warrick, IMO. Guys who were really good, but were never going to be true #1 guys...they were slot guys, and maybe on the high end a #2 outside - but for where they were drafted, and the role they were expecting to fill - not the right pick - hindsight 20/20 now, of course...
 

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As good as the offense was, and as many turnovers and sacks defense had, it felt sloppy to me.
Once they got up 3 scores, it did feel like they kind of slowed down and took the foot off the gas a little bit. I think that annoyed Burrow. They got it back going after the pick 6 - but at that point, I think the aggravation had really already set in...
 

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problem with yoshi right now is other teams see it coming. maybe he'll get better, but I expect Burton could be the new higgins when he gets everything straightened out.
 

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problem with yoshi right now is other teams see it coming. maybe he'll get better, but I expect Burton could be the new higgins when he gets everything straightened out.
Gotta show up to day before walk through's if he is going to play. Not sure how that much talent can have a ten cent head.
 

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problem with yoshi right now is other teams see it coming. maybe he'll get better, but I expect Burton could be the new higgins when he gets everything straightened out.
I don't get this statement...teams see what coming?

He's played well all things considered.

Do you mean that Burton will only play in about 45% of eligible games like Higgins? Right now, he's on a very similar path....
 

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Gotta show up to day before walk through's if he is going to play. Not sure how that much talent can have a ten cent head.
Unless you are on a team that doesn't hold any kind of accountability - the easiest thing in the world to do should be to show up on days you need to be at practice/walkthrough. Forget about how hard you go, how much you know, how talented you are...forget all of that....because none of that matters if you fail to show up.

ESPECIALLY on a week where they spent the entire week working you into the game plan as a major contributor....I mean - you can be made about the lack of PT and feel like you've done enough to get more chances - and that is EXACTLY what was happening the entire week leading up to the Raiders game....the had him 100% involved with high expectations of bring a key contributor....

And then to not show up - ON THE EASIEST DAY OF THE WEEK?! A WALKTHROUGH?!

Maybe he thinks he's Allen Iverson?


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Unless you are on a team that doesn't hold any kind of accountability - the easiest thing in the world to do should be to show up on days you need to be at practice/walkthrough. Forget about how hard you go, how much you know, how talented you are...forget all of that....because none of that matters if you fail to show up.

ESPECIALLY on a week where they spent the entire week working you into the game plan as a major contributor....I mean - you can be made about the lack of PT and feel like you've done enough to get more chances - and that is EXACTLY what was happening the entire week leading up to the Raiders game....the had him 100% involved with high expectations of bring a key contributor....

And then to not show up - ON THE EASIEST DAY OF THE WEEK?! A WALKTHROUGH?!

Maybe he thinks he's Allen Iverson?


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He's no Allen Iverson.
 

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I don't get this statement...teams see what coming?

He's played well all things considered.

Do you mean that Burton will only play in about 45% of eligible games like Higgins? Right now, he's on a very similar path....
What exactly needs to be considered? To me, Yoshi is a good receiver on a scramble drill. That has allowed him to perform well in the redzone. Everything I have read from the advanced stat nerds is that he does not get open in the passing game enough. And he is playing on a team with Chase, Higgins when healthy, and Gesicki. A good third receiver should eat with Joe Burrow and the attention paid to our bigger stars. I just haven't seen it from Yoshi. I also want to see him win a contested catch for once.
 

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I don't get this statement...teams see what coming?

He's played well all things considered.

Do you mean that Burton will only play in about 45% of eligible games like Higgins? Right now, he's on a very similar path....
they see the things that iosivas actually does well, and they can plan for them. he's had a lot of trouble getting open on routes and been rendered virtually as a non contributor several times now. in the beginning of the season, he caught some of them by surprise.

Burton will eventually surpass iosivas due to his physical limitations. he is a superior athlete.
 

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What exactly needs to be considered? To me, Yoshi is a good receiver on a scramble drill. That has allowed him to perform well in the redzone. Everything I have read from the advanced stat nerds is that he does not get open in the passing game enough. And he is playing on a team with Chase, Higgins when healthy, and Gesicki. A good third receiver should eat with Joe Burrow and the attention paid to our bigger stars. I just haven't seen it from Yoshi. I also want to see him win a contested catch for once.
In games 1-4 he has the most separation yards of any WR on the team....so....not sure I agree with this...
 

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they see the things that iosivas actually does well, and they can plan for them. he's had a lot of trouble getting open on routes and been rendered virtually as a non contributor several times now. in the beginning of the season, he caught some of them by surprise.

Burton will eventually surpass iosivas due to his physical limitations. he is a superior athlete.
Burton won't surpass me if he continues to be a jackass....I mean - that's the bottom line here.
 

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Burton won't surpass me if he continues to be a jackass....I mean - that's the bottom line here.

they are throwing him under the bus. why? because we have incompetent coaches.


if he goes to another team, he will be successful. that's almost a guarantee.

he's making a lot of money. the alternative for him is to go home and live with his parents. he will realize he has an opportunity and he will come around. I don't believe zac taylor and his yes men. not for a second.
 

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they are throwing him under the bus. why? because we have incompetent coaches.


if he goes to another team, he will be successful. that's almost a guarantee.

he's making a lot of money. the alternative for him is to go home and live with his parents. he will realize he has an opportunity and he will come around. I don't believe zac taylor and his yes men. not for a second.
I mean - this is just incorrect.

Both Burrow and Taylor stood up there after the game and did nothing but lift that kid up. It's not on them to baby sit a grown ass man to show up to his job on time. Even Hilton who took a stern tone after the game ended it by saying he'll learn.

The team is holding him accountable while also trying to keep lifting him up as to not lose him. We can blame a lot on this staff, and I'm certainly 1st in line on a good number of things, but in this instance, there just isn't any fault to be had other than they drafted him knowing the red-flags.
 

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In games 1-4 he has the most separation yards of any WR on the team....so....not sure I agree with this...
I'll take your word for it that he was somehow good those weeks.... Over at PFF they have him as 87th out of 91 receivers ranked. PFF is only one metric an we can quibble with some of their measures, but it's not completely wrong. Their stats match up with what I see when I watch TV - A guy with every advantage that isn't very productive.
 

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marvin would be teaching him about ETFs and Mutual Funds.

also, if you're going to go to the casino, learn how to play blackJack very well.
 

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My favorite part of that Burton picture is that he is still wearing his league issued Bengals Salute to Service hoody.

My man absolutely don't give a fuck.
 
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