Game Thread: Week 13: Sehawks vs Just End The Season 1:00 p.m. EST

[Screamin12th]

Can't believe that Geno fumbled the kick return twice and allowed a kick return touchdown. He sucks so much.

you really going to ignore a poor game again? blind man walking LMAO read my signature. Geno was off target a lot but thankfully we got some very talented pass catchers.

 

[Screamin12th]

They still face GB and the Vikings. A win next week is far from a fast track to the playoffs.

Yes with basically a 2.5 game cushion IF they can win against the Rams in the last game of the season. Funny to even think about THIS team being in the playoffs AS a division winner. Makes zero sense with how well the 49ers were and now.. they are the true meaning of walking wounded. Injuries happen to EVERY team and we have had seasons just as bad as the 49ers with injuries so i dont feel bad for them but i understand the reason to their fall.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

This team has needed to lose out for a better draft pick since about 3 weeks ago.

Absolutely insane they keep winning while playing like dogshit and with Geno looking like Mr. Magoo out there.

Special teams was hilarious today. Good think they hired Jim Harbaugh's retard, ginger, nepotism baby to coach that group.

Can't wait to watch these idiots fall ass backwards into the playoffs and get blown out by Green Bay or Minnesota in the first round.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

This team has needed to lose out for a better draft pick since about 3 weeks ago.

Absolutely insane they keep winning while playing like dogshit and with Geno looking like Mr. Magoo out there.

Special teams was hilarious today. Good think they hired Jim Harbaugh's retard, ginger, nepotism baby to coach that group.

Can't wait to watch these idiots fall ass backwards into the playoffs and get blown out by Green Bay or Minnesota in the first round.

I look at it like Pete's first year, where the team went 7-9 but made the playoffs. It wasn't a great team, maybe not even a good team but it was the beginning of building a good team. Don't know if the present team does the same but I like that the defense has gotten better, which is step one in building a championship team. Got to admit this game was a shit fest and makes it hard to get excited about the future. However I'm waiting to see how the rest of the games go and it won't be all good but maybe a good enough start to build a winner. Building a functional OL is the big hurdle or the first big hurdle, will still need to find a QB and not keep trying to get by with the Tarvaris Jackson/Geno Smith of the world.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

you really going to ignore a poor game again? blind man walking LMAO read my signature. Geno was off target a lot but thankfully we got some very talented pass catchers.

I mean Geno has his own problems, but this 'potential loss' was 100% on the special teams. That might be the worst special teams performance I've seen in my life.

2 fumbles lost. A kickoff TD allowed (not to mention allowing another almost 50 yard return), a blocked XP allowed... like WTF? It was a flat out miracle Seattle actually won... playing against one of the worsts teams in the NFL helped but there's no way Seattle wins that game against an even semi-competent team. How Dee Williams is still out there is baffling to me.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I'm glad Cobe Bryant is getting on the field. I saw a play yesterday where a Jets receiver/RB caught a pass out of the backfield and had tons of green in front of him and a lone Seahawk was running up and I was like, "Oh God..." and then I saw it was #8 and I was like, "We good." And sure enough, Cobe put him down single handedly no problem. Hoping he comes cheap this offseason and we keep him.

 

[JMR]

This was about as bizarre & painful of a win as I can remember, and there are quite a few to choose from. Some of the things sticking with me the morning after:

• Not sure I've ever seen as poor of an overall special teams performance by a team who won a football game. How do you fumble 3 kickoff returns (2 lost), get a PAT blocked, give up a return TD, and have your punter (maybe the only guy who didn't screw up) get injured & out? That is the kind of performance that gets the ST coach fired if it's a loss instead of a win, even though he's not the one out there bumbling & fumbling.
• The defense has turned the corner. It's 4 games now in a row. I know it's "just the Jets" but that offense isn't without talent, and quit a bit of it. They gave up essentially 1 drive all game. Everything else was ST errors. A commendable and encouraging performance because some teams might have folded up when it was 21-7 and on the verge of being 28.
• Leonard Williams deserves particular mention. He already had been playing at a high level, but yesterday might have been the best DT play of any Seahawk since Tez. I can't think of a stretch since where a DT was this dominant and impactful for this team. It's a bummer he's already north of 30 because this is the kind of guy you can build a D around.
• Julian Love also had a whale of a game. He's been balling pretty much all year. Bryant continues to make plays as well. Overall safety play has been pleasing with those 2 on the field.
• On the contrary, I think I'm done with Woolen. He doesn't fit with the rest of the pieces. Soft. His half ass effort on the 3rd & 26 was particularly irritating. It's not realistic to expect to find another corner on the level of Witherspoon (who I think plays well pretty much every game), but anything close to like Ken Lucas or Byron Maxwell would be a welcomed replacement. I might even take Tre Flowers back at this point. Woolen just doesn't want to do anything except use his make-up speed to bait QBs.
• It's torture watching this offense because of how much talent is out there making so many mistakes. How many plays did we run inside the 5 yard line in that one series where we came up with 0 points -- 7? It seemed like 20. How can we not pick up a single yard when it's 3rd or 4th & 1? We fail over and over it seems, to the point where I feel better when it's 3rd & 7 because I know we'll be white-knuckling it with a Geno drop back instead of getting stuffed for no gain.
• I don't think Geno played poorly. He's getting absolutely zero help from the running game, and of course the OL is a complete mystery almost every week. But he also gives me great worry when he's holding the football in the pocket seemingly forever. Is he just not seeing opening targets? Is there really no one open? Every QB misses open guys because what you see from the pocket is different from what you see when you're watching a camera view (or in person) from above, but holy smokes I wish he would pull the trigger a little earlier.

I really don't know how we ended up winning this game. When we were about to go down 28-7 after the 3rd fumbled kickoff, I figured for sure that would be it... and the headline for this season was going to be losing to both the Giants and the Jets -- one team that's already fired their coach and the other that almost certainly will. But I guess Leonard Williams had other ideas, and we pulled it out of our ass. We were lucky to have played 1 of the maybe 4 teams in the whole league we could have beaten yesterday with all those ST gaffes.

 

[Anointed One]

This was about as bizarre & painful of a win as I can remember, and there are quite a few to choose from. Some of the things sticking with me the morning after:

• Not sure I've ever seen as poor of an overall special teams performance by a team who won a football game. How do you fumble 3 kickoff returns (2 lost), get a PAT blocked, give up a return TD, and have your punter (maybe the only guy who didn't screw up) get injured & out? That is the kind of performance that gets the ST coach fired if it's a loss instead of a win, even though he's not the one out there bumbling & fumbling.
• The defense has turned the corner. It's 4 games now in a row. I know it's "just the Jets" but that offense isn't without talent, and quit a bit of it. They gave up essentially 1 drive all game. Everything else was ST errors. A commendable and encouraging performance because some teams might have folded up when it was 21-7 and on the verge of being 28.
• Leonard Williams deserves particular mention. He already had been playing at a high level, but yesterday might have been the best DT play of any Seahawk since Tez. I can't think of a stretch since where a DT was this dominant and impactful for this team. It's a bummer he's already north of 30 because this is the kind of guy you can build a D around.
• Julian Love also had a whale of a game. He's been balling pretty much all year. Bryant continues to make plays as well. Overall safety play has been pleasing with those 2 on the field.
• On the contrary, I think I'm done with Woolen. He doesn't fit with the rest of the pieces. Soft. His half ass effort on the 3rd & 26 was particularly irritating. It's not realistic to expect to find another corner on the level of Witherspoon (who I think plays well pretty much every game), but anything close to like Ken Lucas or Byron Maxwell would be a welcomed replacement. I might even take Tre Flowers back at this point. Woolen just doesn't want to do anything except use his make-up speed to bait QBs.
• It's torture watching this offense because of how much talent is out there making so many mistakes. How many plays did we run inside the 5 yard line in that one series where we came up with 0 points -- 7? It seemed like 20. How can we not pick up a single yard when it's 3rd or 4th & 1? We fail over and over it seems, to the point where I feel better when it's 3rd & 7 because I know we'll be white-knuckling it with a Geno drop back instead of getting stuffed for no gain.
• I don't think Geno played poorly. He's getting absolutely zero help from the running game, and of course the OL is a complete mystery almost every week. But he also gives me great worry when he's holding the football in the pocket seemingly forever. Is he just not seeing opening targets? Is there really no one open? Every QB misses open guys because what you see from the pocket is different from what you see when you're watching a camera view (or in person) from above, but holy smokes I wish he would pull the trigger a little earlier.

I really don't know how we ended up winning this game. When we were about to go down 28-7 after the 3rd fumbled kickoff, I figured for sure that would be it... and the headline for this season was going to be losing to both the Giants and the Jets -- one team that's already fired their coach and the other that almost certainly will. But I guess Leonard Williams had other ideas, and we pulled it out of our ass. We were lucky to have played 1 of the maybe 4 teams in the whole league we could have beaten yesterday with all those ST gaffes.

Great recap - I can't really disagree with anything you stated... I will reinforce your comment about Riq... Soft is a great word that seemingly describes him... Especially since he played safety in college, which explains why he wasn't drafted to play safety... That 3rd and 26 should've been 4th and 4 if there would've been more urgency on his part to make that tackle... I love how Love was lighting him up after that play... Riq gave up on the play...

This was a common theme last season as well... This is a game of inches, every inch matters (I know - that's what she said) in this game... Riq doesn't seem to get it...

 

[JMR]

Great recap - I can't really disagree with anything you stated... I will reinforce your comment about Riq... Soft is a great word that seemingly describes him... Especially since he played safety in college, which explains why he wasn't drafted to play safety... That 3rd and 26 should've been 4th and 4 if there would've been more urgency on his part to make that tackle... I love how Love was lighting him up after that play... Riq gave up on the play...

This was a common theme last season as well... This is a game of inches, every inch matters (I know - that's what she said) in this game... Riq doesn't seem to get it...

Totally agree. He just doesn't seem like a fit with other major pieces -- Spoon, Love, Jones, Williams, etc. Need a more physical guy at corner even if they don't have the length or top end speed of Woolen.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

think I'm done with Woolen. He doesn't fit with the rest of the pieces. Soft. His half ass effort on the 3rd & 26 was particularly irritating.

I will reinforce your comment about Riq... Soft is a great word that seemingly describes him

I agree with the view on Woolen, but have some glaring needs at other positions and 6 draft picks to try and fill them so I feel they ride with Woolen through 2025 (last year of his contract). It was great to see Love get on him for lack of effort, maybe having team mates getting on him and a contract year in 2025 will do some good. I should add that lack of effort is the sort of thing you can't put up with on any job so maybe the Seahawks will make a move to replace him.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I'd keep Riq around. He's still one of the better cover corners in the league and while he can't tackle and plays guys on the run (after catch/run) terribly, whatever. He reasonably shuts down a side of the field in the pass game. Deion couldn't tackle for beans either, but he completely shut down half a field. Not saying Riq is THAT good, but he's definitely well above average in the league. And now with the defense kind of finding their 'place', the mouths from guys like Love/Williams/Jones/Spoon etc. are going to start flapping more and holding guys not making plays accountable.

That said, he certainly doesn't deserve some 4 year $60M contract or something, though. Not yet. And I know it's "Find a physical corner." blah blah. Well, usually physical corners don't cover well. And getting a guy like Spoon that can cover AND be physical is extremely hard to find. Either you draft them high and also get a bit of luck (that they translate and it's not a bust) or you pay massively for it in FA (and then hope they don't get fat/happy).

 

[flyerhawk]

you really going to ignore a poor game again? blind man walking LMAO read my signature. Geno was off target a lot but thankfully we got some very talented pass catchers.

It's amazing to me how you want to only blame Geno when the offense struggles. You are incapable of even acknowledging that our running game sucks right now. Instead you want to pretend that if we just replaced Geno the offensive line would magically get better.

 

[JMR]

I agree with the view on Woolen, but have some glaring needs at other positions and 6 draft picks to try and fill them so I feel they ride with Woolen through 2025 (last year of his contract). It was great to see Love get on him for lack of effort, maybe having team mates getting on him and a contract year in 2025 will do some good. I should add that lack of effort is the sort of thing you can't put up with on any job so maybe the Seahawks will make a move to replace him.

I'd keep Riq around. He's still one of the better cover corners in the league and while he can't tackle and plays guys on the run (after catch/run) terribly, whatever. He reasonably shuts down a side of the field in the pass game. Deion couldn't tackle for beans either, but he completely shut down half a field. Not saying Riq is THAT good, but he's definitely well above average in the league. And now with the defense kind of finding their 'place', the mouths from guys like Love/Williams/Jones/Spoon etc. are going to start flapping more and holding guys not making plays accountable.

That said, he certainly doesn't deserve some 4 year $60M contract or something, though. Not yet. And I know it's "Find a physical corner." blah blah. Well, usually physical corners don't cover well. And getting a guy like Spoon that can cover AND be physical is extremely hard to find. Either you draft them high and also get a bit of luck (that they translate and it's not a bust) or you pay massively for it in FA (and then hope they don't get fat/happy).

No argument against. I guess when I say I'm tired of him, what I mean is more or less what the both of you are saying: he's dying on the vine on current contract if it were up to me, and in the mean time I am probably 1) scaling back his role if at all possible and 2) actively looking for an upgrade (an overlap year in 2025 is ok.... Woolen still playing for peanuts on his rookie deal).

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I look at it like Pete's first year, where the team went 7-9 but made the playoffs. It wasn't a great team, maybe not even a good team but it was the beginning of building a good team. Don't know if the present team does the same but I like that the defense has gotten better, which is step one in building a championship team. Got to admit this game was a shit fest and makes it hard to get excited about the future. However I'm waiting to see how the rest of the games go and it won't be all good but maybe a good enough start to build a winner. Building a functional OL is the big hurdle or the first big hurdle, will still need to find a QB and not keep trying to get by with the Tarvaris Jackson/Geno Smith of the world.

Was just gonna mention this, Coach Mcdonald has matched the winning total of Pete’s first year… I’m thinking we get 9 or 10 wins which is respectable … I remember Pete rolling with Hasselbeck his first year, but he went out and found his guy, and that’s something Coach Mcdonald absolutely must do … Hasselbeck was an aging veteran also, better than Geno, so I’m with you on making a bold move to hopefully find that guy … Fingers crossed that we do !

 

[Cave_Johnson]

• Not sure I've ever seen as poor of an overall special teams performance by a team who won a football game. How do you fumble 3 kickoff returns (2 lost), get a PAT blocked, give up a return TD, and have your punter (maybe the only guy who didn't screw up) get injured & out? That is the kind of performance that gets the ST coach fired if it's a loss instead of a win, even though he's not the one out there bumbling & fumbling.

It probably should anyway but we all know why it won't.

That's what you get for hiring a guy who had never had a job in his life that wasn't given to him by uncle Johnny or daddy.

 

[blstoker]

It probably should anyway but we all know why it won't.

That's what you get for hiring a guy who had never had a job in his life that wasn't given to him by uncle Johnny or daddy.

Shenault waived yesterday - so there's 2 of the fumbles gone.

 

[blstoker]

Shenault waived yesterday - so there's 2 of the fumbles gone.

And Williams has now been waived as well. So both returners are now gone. Just picked up Jaelon Darden - who'll probably be the main returner.

 

[flyerhawk]

And Williams has now been waived as well. So both returners are now gone. Just picked up Jaelon Darden - who'll probably be the main returner.

Good to see be decisive on moving players not doing their jobs

 

[Anointed One]

Glad to see they pulled the trigger on Dee as well... He was 29th in Punt returns with an average of 7.4 ypr... Add in the mistakes he's made, glad to see Macdonald decide to move on...

The new WR, Darden has been a PR for TB and CLE with an avg of 10.6 ypr... Hopefully this will pay off... Can't be any worse...

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Glad to see they pulled the trigger on Dee as well... He was 29th in Punt returns with an average of 7.4 ypr... Add in the mistakes he's made, glad to see Macdonald decide to move on...

The new WR, Darden has been a PR for TB and CLE with an avg of 10.6 ypr... Hopefully this will pay off... Can't be any worse...

I'm shocked he lasted this long... but after that special teams performance against the Jets, someone had to fall on the sword. Harbaugh for his own job security had to remove someone. That was absolutely fuckin' ridiculous.