Warriors 2.0: from Showtime Lakers to the Spurs

[lebron23james]

It is amazing to me how many people want to rule the Warriors out.

I am not even ruling them out this season.

Because they can get to the playoffs, and if healthy once there, they are capable of beating anybody even though they won’t be favorites.

I do think they need to address perimeter depth and I am not sure Dlo is their guy long term. Otherwise though, crazy to write off this core. I would give them about a 50% to win another title at some point with their big 3.

What are you a retard...How exactly would they beat the Clippers lol...I don't even think they could handle the lakers if they ever make the playoffs

The Clippers are a better version of the Raptors, PG is better than Lowery...Who GS couldn't beat even with Durant playing a little bit. Now no Durant.

You have been overrating the Warriors forever now, and the only thing that core beat was a lebron, dellavadova and TT big 3. Call me when that core does something impressive without Durant.

 

[tlance]

What are you a retard...How exactly would they beat the Clippers lol...I don't even think they could handle the lakers if they ever make the playoffs

The Clippers are a better version of the Raptors, PG is better than Lowery...Who GS couldn't beat even with Durant playing a little bit. Now no Durant.

You have been overrating the Warriors forever now, and the only thing that core beat was a lebron, dellavadova and TT big 3. Call me when that core does something impressive without Durant.

Only 1 idiot in this conversation.

And it isn’t me.

Of course the Clippers are the team to beat on paper. I am certainly not betting on the Warriors this year.

But you forget the Warriors also missed Klay for 1.5 home games that they very easily could have won with him against Toronto. KD played 1 quarter.

And they have a 4th all star who makes a pretty nice trade chip.

You realize that your desire to crap on the Warriors and their talent only cheapens the Cavs accomplishments, right?

No matter how much you complain, the Cavs aren’t ever going to be awarded the 2015 title. So maybe instead of trashing the franchise that beat you 3 times, you should try admitting they are pretty damn good.

 

[msgkings322]

Here's the 3rd possibilty, not that I expect you to have an open mind (or between 2 similar players in overall ability). Was kind of new here and I cannot read minds. Had he said only between Love and Klay he prefers the shooter I could understand, but he made a generic like comment saying between the shooter and big guy.

I get you are argue the poster and not post guy - and no need to come with the "it's not me, it must be you because so many say so" retort. They are also argue the poster and not post guys. I'm still the newer guy and expect it. I was a lot younger back then but probably found myself playing that role back in my AOL forum or CBS days so I get it.

As for most of the ridicule and laughter? I laugh at it. I mean, a guy can go off on a meltdown filled with F bombs and namecalling and tell me I'm unstable and folks will agree. Ya gotta chuckle at that.

If I got upset about it I have it in me to ignore a post and/or scroll.

OK, so here's my response, and my mind is open. The bolded above is not at all difficult for most to understand implicitly. If Wamu is going on for PAGES telling you that he did not mean to imply any shooter over any big guy, it's an easy inference to make, for neurotypicals. Maybe not the first time he objects, or the second, but by page 10 it should be something you can understand. So unless you really have some difficulty with social interaction, you HAVE TO have been trolling. You obviously enjoyed arguing with him for pages on end, throwing out your tired catchphrases, when you could have stopped at any time. Wamu could too but we're discussing you.

I think, from conversing with you, that you are not spergy. You are a troll. A non-troll would, after a page or two, give the other guy the benefit of obviousness and say something like "ok I guess you meant similar players". You knew what he meant but you kept it going in a very trolly manner. Which again, is perfectly fine. I troll plenty. But own it dude. You're an argument troll. You get off on arguing. Again, others do too, but you are unique in your style.

Now, on to your 'poster not post' catchphrase. That's some bullshit too. People argue with you because you enjoy it (you should thank them!), not because they hate you. You play your game, they play with you. You make it about you. So you can keep throwing out your pronouncements about us, and we can take them or not. But it doesn't change who you are as a poster.

And as I've said many times, I am very glad you are here.

So please don't ever change!

 

[trojanfan12]

You make it about you. So you can keep throwing out your pronouncements about us,

Which is kind of sad when you think about it.

 

[dtgold88]

What are you a retard...How exactly would they beat the Clippers lol...I don't even think they could handle the lakers if they ever make the playoffs

The Clippers are a better version of the Raptors, PG is better than Lowery...Who GS couldn't beat even with Durant playing a little bit. Now no Durant.

You have been overrating the Warriors forever now, and the only thing that core beat was a lebron, dellavadova and TT big 3. Call me when that core does something impressive without Durant.

Never a big fan of throwing out the retard card, but whatever.

I'll throw this out there.....Before last year's playoffs began did you give Toronto much of a chance to get to the Finals and knock off GS?

shit happens.

Look at me arguing post and not poster......again.

 

[WiggyRuss]

It is amazing to me how many people want to rule the Warriors out.

I am not even ruling them out this season.

Because they can get to the playoffs, and if healthy once there, they are capable of beating anybody even though they won’t be favorites.

I do think they need to address perimeter depth and I am not sure Dlo is their guy long term. Otherwise though, crazy to write off this core. I would give them about a 50% to win another title at some point with their big 3.

I am not amazed at all.

It is highly highly unlikely that Klay will be close to 100% of what his revised ceiling will be until the following season and their front court is very weak.

Curry will not be able to coast throughout the regular season and have a guy like Durant carry the load --- if they want to be relevant he is going to have to do closer to a LeBron and work his ass off for 80 games.

Right now their starting lineup is projected to be:

PG: Curry
SG: Russell
SF: McKinnie
PF: Draymond
C: WCS

with their most important bench players being: Alec Burks, Glen Robinson III, and Kevin Looney.

Klay Thompson's best basketball is behind him. Curry is 31 and will have to carry more of a load then he ever has in his career.

I would not bet on them missing the playoffs but there is certainly a non-zero chance that it happens.

 

[dtgold88]

OK, so here's my response, and my mind is open. The bolded above is not at all difficult for most to understand implicitly. If Wamu is going on for PAGES telling you that he did not mean to imply any shooter over any big guy, it's an easy inference to make, for neurotypicals. Maybe not the first time he objects, or the second, but by page 10 it should be something you can understand. So unless you really have some difficulty with social interaction, you HAVE TO have been trolling. You obviously enjoyed arguing with him for pages on end, throwing out your tired catchphrases, when you could have stopped at any time. Wamu could too but we're discussing you.

I think, from conversing with you, that you are not spergy. You are a troll. A non-troll would, after a page or two, give the other guy the benefit of obviousness and say something like "ok I guess you meant similar players". You knew what he meant but you kept it going in a very trolly manner. Which again, is perfectly fine. I troll plenty. But own it dude. You're an argument troll. You get off on arguing. Again, others do too, but you are unique in your style.

Now, on to your 'poster not post' catchphrase. That's some bullshit too. People argue with you because you enjoy it (you should thank them!), not because they hate you. You play your game, they play with you. You make it about you. So you can keep throwing out your pronouncements about us, and we can take them or not. But it doesn't change who you are as a poster.

And as I've said many times, I am very glad you are here.

So please don't ever change!

Thing is, wamu went on for pages and pages trying to rip me for making my inference. I said pretty early if he said it how he meant it I would not have made the comment I did. Just misunderstood. Rest of the debate was him being him and not letting it go while accusing me of not letting it go.

FTR, I have owned up to the notion often will not let something go. Did you miss this.......

We have these traits in most posters

1) Love to argue
2) Comments are made based on poster and not post
3) wont admit when they are wrong
4) wont let go when someone wont admit to a mistake or foolish comment
5) want the last word
6) Call people out for 1-5 while doing 1-5

I'm guilty of 1, 4 and 5.

***Note even though you called me out for not owning up to my issues (which I clearly did as this is an older post), you wont own up to which of these might apply to you.

Clearly there is no denial on my part. At least that means I can be cured? So I've got that going for me.

As to your last comments, I've never really thought anyone hated me nor cared if they did. I know there is no one here that I hate no matter the lengths some disagreements go. Never a fan of the retard/autistic references towards me (or anyone) but whatever.

The argue post not poster is not really debatable to any rational person. I mean, to be accused of being off kilter (or some other phrase like that) while another poster is having a namecalling, profanity laced meltdown because his comments have been refuted with logic and reason? No better example than that....worse being accused by him as well.

Isn't to say I'm not a little off kilter. I certainly have my own issues.

Can't say enough if this was anything more than entertainment for me I would not be here (or I'd scroll). Also can't say enough sports are boring when we only agree.

Right back at ya

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don't just mean this year. They have another 5 year window now to win another ring or two, they just aren't the overwhelming favorites anymore. They are more like the Duncan era Spurs. They will make moves over the next 5 years, but they have their core.

I explained this in the post you stopped reading LOL

5 year window? Curry will be 32 in March. Draymond has already started to lose some athleticism- and when it goes- it is going to go FAST with that guy since he is so undersized. Klay just had his knee rebuilt.

I would say 3 year window- max.

 

[dtgold88]

I am not amazed at all.

It is highly highly unlikely that Klay will be close to 100% of what his revised ceiling will be until the following season and their front court is very weak.

Curry will not be able to coast throughout the regular season and have a guy like Durant carry the load --- if they want to be relevant he is going to have to do closer to a LeBron and work his ass off for 80 games.

Right now their starting lineup is projected to be:

PG: Curry
SG: Russell
SF: McKinnie
PF: Draymond
C: WCS

with their most important bench players being: Alec Burks, Glen Robinson III, and Kevin Looney.

Klay Thompson's best basketball is behind him. Curry is 31 and will have to carry more of a load then he ever has in his career.

I would not bet on them missing the playoffs but there is certainly a non-zero chance that it happens.

While I disagree it's not so unlikely GS has another run in them, have to admit that is disconcerting for them at least for next season.

I do think Russell gets moved for a piece or pieces who can help.

 

[WiggyRuss]

What are you a retard...How exactly would they beat the Clippers lol...I don't even think they could handle the lakers if they ever make the playoffs

The Clippers are a better version of the Raptors, PG is better than Lowery...Who GS couldn't beat even with Durant playing a little bit. Now no Durant.

You have been overrating the Warriors forever now, and the only thing that core beat was a lebron, dellavadova and TT big 3. Call me when that core does something impressive without Durant.

It will be very interesting to see just how good Curry is this year- and how much he can raise his teams fortunes.

 

[dtgold88]

Which is kind of sad when you think about it.

But not sad to call someone you don't know who refuted your comments autistic or a retard?

Truth be told, I don't really consider anything I read here to be sad. Just a sports forum.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So lot to process here in this threat but:

1) Yes the Warriors have committed long term to their big 3, but I believe this was always the plan all along. Even in the huge debates with @WiggyRuss it was conceded that the Warriors may not be able to pay all 4 of their stars long term, but there was hope that in the short term they would stay together for at least another year. Since KD opted to leave, the Warriors had to pivot and honestly it was the safest move for them to lock up those 3. All 3 players will likely be just outside of their primes by the time their new deals expire, so it gives the Warriors flexibility. They will most certainly need to hit on some younger players to go the route of the Spurs model, but come playoff time I believe those three will be the heavy lifters.

2) Honestly the biggest key to the Spurs model was Duncan, Parker and Ginobili. Their conduct on the court and their selfless style of play was able to help them sustain their play. Additionally they were able to take backseats when necessary to younger players and there will likely be a time when that needs to happen for some of the Warriors guys as well.

3) Kerr will need to prove himself again. He transformed the 2015 team, but slowly got away from that each and every year. 2016 he had that back injury that kept him out a significant period of time and he was still affected on the bench with crazy headaches. Then in 2017 they added Durant so he shifted some principles to help incorporate him. It's been a slow downward slide for him on his in game coaching and his strategies, and he'll need to completely reinvent his vision for the current Warriors and the foreseeable future. Pop was able to do that. Kerr has to prove he can do this as well.

4) RC Buford is really someone that people over look when they're assessing the Spurs dynasty. The Warriors will need to replenish their roster and fully utilize their draft picks to maximize the potential run of the Warriors core. Bob Myers needs to show he can hit on these guys and get some value. Because of the Warriors run, he drafted specialists/immediate impact guys, instead of trying to dig a bit deeper. Guys like McCaw, Bell, Evans, Jones, etc were all guys he hoped could just plug and play at various times because he was limited with what he could do in free agency. I get it, but at the same time, it's now put us in a huge hole because none of them worked out. If just one of those players became a starter level player at this juncture, we'd be talking about the Warriors in a much different tone.

TLR

Cliff notes:
Keys will be Core giving way to youth at times, Kerr reinventing the team dynamic, and Bob Myers elevating the talent of the roster.

just outside their primes?

Klay just signed a 5 year extension, will be 30 years old before he sees the court again, and just had his knee rebuilt

Curry will be 32 before the season is over

I certainly dont think Draymond looks as spry as he did 3 years ago- hes undersized, carries a lot of weight and i think has already started his regression.

The Spurs were always able to keep developing new guys that became, if not stars (though some did) - at least high level role players.

The Warriors have not developed anyone lately--- the McCaws, Looneys, Bells, Clarks, etc.....they have MAYBE developed some end of the rotation guys- but no one that really makes any kind of real difference. That is what they are going to have to do.

Kerr's health isnt going to get better as he continues to age either- a guy that has already missed quite a few games.


Kevin Durant covered up the fact that as far as rounding out the roster the Warriors really havent done much the last few years. Id say the last guy they hit on - whether it be free agency or the draft that made a real difference was Shaun Livingston- and that was only as a 7th-8th guy and he has not been good for a while now (and of course is now gone).

 

[WiggyRuss]

OK, so here's my response, and my mind is open. The bolded above is not at all difficult for most to understand implicitly. If Wamu is going on for PAGES telling you that he did not mean to imply any shooter over any big guy, it's an easy inference to make, for neurotypicals. Maybe not the first time he objects, or the second, but by page 10 it should be something you can understand. So unless you really have some difficulty with social interaction, you HAVE TO have been trolling. You obviously enjoyed arguing with him for pages on end, throwing out your tired catchphrases, when you could have stopped at any time. Wamu could too but we're discussing you.

I think, from conversing with you, that you are not spergy. You are a troll. A non-troll would, after a page or two, give the other guy the benefit of obviousness and say something like "ok I guess you meant similar players". You knew what he meant but you kept it going in a very trolly manner. Which again, is perfectly fine. I troll plenty. But own it dude. You're an argument troll. You get off on arguing. Again, others do too, but you are unique in your style.

Now, on to your 'poster not post' catchphrase. That's some bullshit too. People argue with you because you enjoy it (you should thank them!), not because they hate you. You play your game, they play with you. You make it about you. So you can keep throwing out your pronouncements about us, and we can take them or not. But it doesn't change who you are as a poster.

And as I've said many times, I am very glad you are here.

So please don't ever change!

Wamu never has anything to say--- he positions himself as a class clown except he is not funny and knows nothing about basketball.

 

[trojanfan12]

But not sad to call someone you don't know who refuted your comments autistic or a retard?

Truth be told, I don't really consider anything I read here to be sad. Just a sports forum.

Constantly trying to justify what you do is even sadder.

 

[dtgold88]

Constantly trying to justify what you do is even sadder.

Yeah....you aren't much of a fan either of having your comments refuted with logic, facts and reason. Not a surprise.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yeah....you aren't much of a fan either of having your comments refuted with logic, facts and reason. Not a surprise.

Thanks for proving my point.

It's not me. It's everybody else. - dtgold

 

[WiggyRuss]

I swear there is more crying and whining and personal BS than basketball talk on this forum.

I am sure my Warriors posts, just as my Lakers posts and Heat posts will subject me to personal attacks that I will defend- but i start and end with basketball- and apparently that hurts peoples feelings so they lash out.

 

[dtgold88]

Thanks for proving my point.

It's not me. It's everybody else. - dtgold

says the guy who keeps it going to prove his point it's just me.....proving my point.

But I'm a nice guy.....take the last word if you want it.

 

[msgkings322]

5 year window? Curry will be 32 in March. Draymond has already started to lose some athleticism- and when it goes- it is going to go FAST with that guy since he is so undersized. Klay just had his knee rebuilt.

I would say 3 year window- max.

Completely missed the point, not that I'm surprised

 

[msgkings322]

I swear there is more crying and whining and personal BS than basketball talk on this forum.

I am sure my Warriors posts, just as my Lakers posts and Heat posts will subject me to personal attacks that I will defend- but i start and end with basketball- and apparently that hurts peoples feelings so they lash out.

Dude you talk personal trash as much as anyone here. And when you do talk ball, it's in the trolliest manner possible

We all do some trolling, some of us are too insecure to own up to it.