Game Thread: W10 WFT@Seahawks 4:05/1:05 Fox/CTV 2.

[Screamin12th]

I can see LA win.

Philly is a hard toss-up

And split Sf

The way i look at it is SF is a better team this year than last, Seattle is a better team ONE THE DEFENSE this year and worse on the offense. SF swept us and should do it again. I will also say we very well could lose to the Rams and it might be an ugly blow out loss. Dallas we could pull the upset Philly no way.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

The way i look at it is SF is a better team this year than last, Seattle is a better team ONE THE DEFENSE this year and worse on the offense. SF swept us and should do it again. I will also say we very well could lose to the Rams and it might be an ugly blow out loss. Dallas we could pull the upset Philly no way.

SF will slaughter us x2. I appreciate Judge's optimism, but no way... San Fran's strength on O in the receiving game (nevermind their good D) is RBs and TEs of which they have some of the best in the league, and Seattle has ZERO clue how to handle either... Even if our offense somehow musters 20 points (which would be exceeding well beyond expectations), I see San Fran laying 27+ on us on each occasion.

 

[Screamin12th]

Seahawks had 258 yards after catch in todays game, 2nd most by any team this season. That means Geno Smith averaged 2.36 air yards per attempt or 3.5 per completion. This is what I have been waiting to see, Let these TALENTED guys get the YAC! Walker had 127 total yards in todays game on 20 touches.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

I shit all over Geno last week, and that was warranted, so I need to give him some credit for playing pretty decently today. He still made some bonehead plays, and a few misses, but overall he was a different guy than he was last week. Great win today.

 

[Screamin12th]

Tyler caught 80% of his targets
JSN caught 80% of his targets
Dissly caught 100% of his targets
Charbonnet caught 80% of his targets
Bobo caught 100% of his targets
Parkinson caught caught 100% of his targets

then you got
DK with the most targets ( why I dont know )
DK caught 58% of his targets. ( 7 of 12 )

then the others
Walker 1-2 50% of his targets ( 64 yard TD )
Fant 60% of his targets

 

[Screamin12th]

I shit all over Geno last week, and that was warranted, so I need to give him some credit for playing pretty decently today. He still made some bonehead plays, and a few misses, but overall he was a different guy than he was last week. Great win today.

It was warranted 100% He didn't play all that well today but his pass catchers my god they were great today. 258 yards after the catch 2nd most in the NFL this season by ANY team. When they switched to quick passes the players were able to get the ball quick and then make people miss. JSN is a nifty runner with the ball in his hands, he is like a RB. I think Tyler needs to have the most targets not DK then JSN THEN DK. Bobo needs to get on the field more also.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

It was warranted 100% He didn't play all that well today but his pass catchers my god they were great today. 258 yards after the catch 2nd most in the NFL this season by ANY team. When they switched to quick passes the players were able to get the ball quick and then make people miss. JSN is a nifty runner with the ball in his hands, he is like a RB. I think Tyler needs to have the most targets not DK then JSN THEN DK. Bobo needs to get on the field more also.

I really like how much they used JSN early today. It's about time they starting utilizing that weapon. I think if he's given more opportunities he can become a real game changer in a roll like Julian Edelman had in NE all those years. Maybe not a home run hitter all the time, but a guy that can consistently move the sticks and get first downs. He just needs chances.

 

[blstoker]

It was warranted 100% He didn't play all that well today but his pass catchers my god they were great today. 258 yards after the catch 2nd most in the NFL this season by ANY team. When they switched to quick passes the players were able to get the ball quick and then make people miss. JSN is a nifty runner with the ball in his hands, he is like a RB. I think Tyler needs to have the most targets not DK then JSN THEN DK. Bobo needs to get on the field more also.

Metcalf is definitely Smith's favorite target, and it's really not close. Smith-Njigba had just 1 catch after the first drive - nearly disappeared from the offense entirely. Dissley didn't get a target after the 12 minutes left in the second quarter mark - and that's after getting only 2 targets the last 5 games. It just seems that they try to get guys involved early, but once the scripted plays are completed, those guys go away.

I don't mind DK getting looks, it's just how it happens that frustrates me. Geno forces it to Metcalf at times, and it's pretty obvious. He doesn't let the game flow to Metcalf like he does for Lockett. The passes to Lockett today, I can think of 2 where Lockett wasn't the NFL version of wide open. It's almost the exact opposite for DK, even triple coverage won't stop Geno from going to DK when he wants to go to DK.

 

[Screamin12th]

Metcalf is definitely Smith's favorite target, and it's really not close. Smith-Njigba had just 1 catch after the first drive - nearly disappeared from the offense entirely. Dissley didn't get a target after the 12 minutes left in the second quarter mark - and that's after getting only 2 targets the last 5 games. It just seems that they try to get guys involved early, but once the scripted plays are completed, those guys go away.

I don't mind DK getting looks, it's just how it happens that frustrates me. Geno forces it to Metcalf at times, and it's pretty obvious. He doesn't let the game flow to Metcalf like he does for Lockett. The passes to Lockett today, I can think of 2 where Lockett wasn't the NFL version of wide open. It's almost the exact opposite for DK, even triple coverage won't stop Geno from going to DK when he wants to go to DK.

Yeah and the sad truth is that Tyler is a better contested pass catcher LMAO. You wouldn't think that seeing how BIG Metcalf is but the numbers prove it.

 

[Screamin12th]

seems these stats are different where ever you look.

" It was YAC City in Seattle on Sunday, where the Seahawks recorded 254 receiving yards after the catch -- the most by any team in a game in 2023, per Pro Football Focus. Washington posted the third-highest YAC total with 226."

One source had 258 and the 2nd most this season and NFL network ( per PFF ) had 254 and it was the MOST in a game this season....

 

[Jikkle]

SF will slaughter us x2. I appreciate Judge's optimism, but no way... San Fran's strength on O in the receiving game (nevermind their good D) is RBs and TEs of which they have some of the best in the league, and Seattle has ZERO clue how to handle either... Even if our offense somehow musters 20 points (which would be exceeding well beyond expectations), I see San Fran laying 27+ on us on each occasion.

Eh on paper the 9ers should win convincingly but the 9ers as we saw on their 3-game losing streak are completely capable of crapping all over the bed and the 9ers vs Seahawks matchups typically are weird no matter where the teams are at talent-wise.

When things click for the 9ers they are virtually unbeatable but when things don't click it's ugly. Seahawks in my eyes are a lesser version of this as when they have things working they look pretty solid but when things aren't working like they want it's on the ugly side.

Also their first matchup is on a Thursday night and those typically can be ugly toss-up kinds of games.

 

[seattlefan75]

it was really frustrating watching the offense not score a TD in the first half its things like that is what gets us in trouble. especially when the defense caused the fumble and gave the offense the ball right on the 50 and it resulted in a punt. We have a tough remaining schedule and games against the 49ers are the most important. Its shaping up that the race to the division title will come down to 1 or 2 games.

 

[flyerhawk]

I'm not sure if it's Geno or Waldron but we need to have better blitz beater plays than we seem to have. It wasn't until Dissley had that unlikely big gain on the TE screen that the Commanders slowed up the constant blitz pressures.

 

[JMR]

Strange and often frustrating game. Here's what stood out to me:

• Geno did not look sharp for most of that, yet here is his stat line: 31/47, 369 yds, 2 TDs, 0 turnovers, 103.9 passer rating. He had a couple good scrambles and also sacked only 1 time. On top of that, 20 2nd half points for the offense and 3 scoring drives in the 4th quarter, including the game winner with less than a minute to go after the D coughed up the lead. I can't sit here and say he had a good game because there was so much not to like about how the offense was playing up until the end, but the numbers are more than acceptable *and* he was good when he had to be. I'm chatting with an old pal during the game who wants Geno gone yesterday (like several people in here), but there is no objective argument to be made right now with those numbers and a 6-3 record that has the team tied for 1st place in the division.
• The defense almost blew this after a really solid performance for about 3.5 quarters. How can they get burned not once but twice on the late dump to Brian Johnson on the sideline? Bobby was way out of position on the lob TD that seemed like it was in the air forever. It was frustrating to see this unit give ground like they did after holding up well overall most of the game.
• Too much passing! 47 attempts when we weren't behind at any point after the early 3rd quarter? I could understand if the running game was getting stuffed, but that wasn't the case. I really think we need to be a little more committed to the run, which is an odd statement about a PC team.
• I thought the false start called on Geno when they lined up for that 4th down was pretty cheap. I don't think we were actually going to run a play anyway, but I can't recall the last QB head-bob false start I saw. Would they have flagged Mahomes or Josh Allen for that? I really doubt it.
• Until they announced it during play, I had no idea Mafe had registered a sack in 6 and now 7 straight games. That's impressive, and I suppose he may have a very solid chance at the franchise single season sack record. I don't know how many that is off hand, but I am guessing around 13 (Michael Sinclair?).

On the whole, the offense is underachieving. It struggled for too much of this game, particularly after DC just traded away 2 starters from the DL. I know we like to have a single person or thing to blame, but I am not sure it's that simple in this case. Barely getting by a team with a losing record on your home field is not what we were looking for, but it's way better than losing. Unless we get some defensive or ST touchdowns in a game, we probably won't really dominate teams on the scoreboard because that's just not how Pete likes to play it. We all know he gets conservative with leads (most of the time) and wants to shrink the game as opposed to taking more risks in order to score a bunch more points. But 6-3 just has to be acceptable. Only 2 teams in the NFC have more wins, and it certainly feels like we haven't yet played our best. On to the next.

 

[flyerhawk]

Strange and often frustrating game. Here's what stood out to me:

• Geno did not look sharp for most of that, yet here is his stat line: 31/47, 369 yds, 2 TDs, 0 turnovers, 103.9 passer rating. He had a couple good scrambles and also sacked only 1 time. On top of that, 20 2nd half points for the offense and 3 scoring drives in the 4th quarter, including the game winner with less than a minute to go after the D coughed up the lead. I can't sit here and say he had a good game because there was so much not to like about how the offense was playing up until the end, but the numbers are more than acceptable *and* he was good when he had to be. I'm chatting with an old pal during the game who wants Geno gone yesterday (like several people in here), but there is no objective argument to be made right now with those numbers and a 6-3 record that has the team tied for 1st place in the division.
• The defense almost blew this after a really solid performance for about 3.5 quarters. How can they get burned not once but twice on the late dump to Brian Johnson on the sideline? Bobby was way out of position on the lob TD that seemed like it was in the air forever. It was frustrating to see this unit give ground like they did after holding up well overall most of the game.
• Too much passing! 47 attempts when we weren't behind at any point after the early 3rd quarter? I could understand if the running game was getting stuffed, but that wasn't the case. I really think we need to be a little more committed to the run, which is an odd statement about a PC team.
• I thought the false start called on Geno when they lined up for that 4th down was pretty cheap. I don't think we were actually going to run a play anyway, but I can't recall the last QB head-bob false start I saw. Would they have flagged Mahomes or Josh Allen for that? I really doubt it.
• Until they announced it during play, I had no idea Mafe had registered a sack in 6 and now 7 straight games. That's impressive, and I suppose he may have a very solid chance at the franchise single season sack record. I don't know how many that is off hand, but I am guessing around 13 (Michael Sinclair?).

On the whole, the offense is underachieving. It struggled for too much of this game, particularly after DC just traded away 2 starters from the DL. I know we like to have a single person or thing to blame, but I am not sure it's that simple in this case. Barely getting by a team with a losing record on your home field is not what we were looking for, but it's way better than losing. Unless we get some defensive or ST touchdowns in a game, we probably won't really dominate teams on the scoreboard because that's just not how Pete likes to play it. We all know he gets conservative with leads (most of the time) and wants to shrink the game as opposed to taking more risks in order to score a bunch more points. But 6-3 just has to be acceptable. Only 2 teams in the NFC have more wins, and it certainly feels like we haven't yet played our best. On to the next.

What's really frustrating to me is we seem to keep getting burned by the same things on both sides of the ball. I cannot understand why this team is incapable of running a RB screen. I cannot understand why we struggle so much with passes to TEs and RBs.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

What's really frustrating to me is we seem to keep getting burned by the same things on both sides of the ball. I cannot understand why this team is incapable of running a RB screen. I cannot understand why we struggle so much with passes to TEs and RBs.

Meanwhile we give both up on the other side of the ball with what seems like little effort from the opposition. WIDE open tight ends, perfect screens (although we shut down a couple yesterday), WIDE open backs out of the flats where no Seahawk is within 10 yards, etc.

I think a lot of it is scheme... and look, if you're committed to this 3-3-5 stuff fine... and if you want Adams or Love or Witherspoon playing the runningback fine... but you can't have them 15 yards off the LOS... If they tank a bad angle it's at LEAST 10+ yards (likely 20+ or a homerun ball), if they take the right angle, it's still a FREE 5-6 yards which teams will take all day.

 

[MrS]

Until they announced it during play, I had no idea Mafe had registered a sack in 6 and now 7 straight games. That's impressive, and I suppose he may have a very solid chance at the franchise single season sack record. I don't know how many that is off hand, but I am guessing around 13 (Michael Sinclair?).

I think you are right about Sinclair, but he definitely had 16 sacks in at least 1 season.

 

[flyerhawk]

Meanwhile we give both up on the other side of the ball with what seems like little effort from the opposition. WIDE open tight ends, perfect screens (although we shut down a couple yesterday), WIDE open backs out of the flats where no Seahawk is within 10 yards, etc.

I think a lot of it is scheme... and look, if you're committed to this 3-3-5 stuff fine... and if you want Adams or Love or Witherspoon playing the runningback fine... but you can't have them 15 yards off the LOS... If they tank a bad angle it's at LEAST 10+ yards (likely 20+ or a homerun ball), if they take the right angle, it's still a FREE 5-6 yards which teams will take all day.

The whole point of running a lot of nickel is you should have more speed.

IMO, I think it is more about execution than scheme. A TE or RB doing a chip block and then running out for a pattern is not some sort of revolutionary concept. Someone needs to be spying those players.

 

[JMR]

I think you are right about Sinclair, but he definitely had 16 sacks in at least 1 season.

yeah, just looked it up: he had 16.5 in 1998.

 

[JMR]

What's really frustrating to me is we seem to keep getting burned by the same things on both sides of the ball. I cannot understand why this team is incapable of running a RB screen. I cannot understand why we struggle so much with passes to TEs and RBs.

The person who I want to hear offer some analysis on this (for the defense) is KJ Wright.