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[Stymietee]

Here's that third theory and in fairness this has been pretty widely dismissed by the creation and evolutionary crowds for obvious reasons.

Ancient astronaut theorists propose that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited Earth in ancient times and made contact with humans. They believe that these extraterrestrial visitors played a significant role in the development of human civilization, influencing our cultures, technologies, religions, and even biology.

Key Points of Ancient Astronaut Theories​

• Extraterrestrial Influence: Proponents suggest that ancient astronauts brought advanced technologies to Earth, which were interpreted as evidence of divine status by early humans.
• Deities as Extraterrestrials: A common position is that many deities from various religions are actually extraterrestrial beings.
• Human Origins: Some theorists, like Zecharia Sitchin, claim that humans are either descendants or creations of these extraterrestrial visitors. Sitchin, for example, proposed that a race of extraterrestrials called the Anunnaki from a planet called Nibiru were responsible for creating human civilization.
• Archaeological and Historical Evidence: Ancient astronaut theorists often point to ancient structures, artifacts, and texts as evidence of extraterrestrial contact. Examples include the Egyptian pyramids, the Moai statues of Easter Island, Machu Picchu, The Nazca Lines (Peru), Stonehedge, Baalbek, Lebanon, Puma Punku/Tiwanaku, Bolivia, and various carvings, artifacts, ancient myths and legends.

 

[gkekoa]

Everything is a theory... including religion!

And everything is religion, especially Darwinism.

 

[gkekoa]

You asked: “Who did God hate?” Here’s a list:

Leviticus 20:23: Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I will drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.

Leviticus 26:30: I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols, for My soul shall abhor you.

Psalm 5:5: The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.

Psalm 5:6: You destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.

Deuteronomy 18:12: For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you.

Deuteronomy 22:5: “A woman shall not wear man’s clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Psalm 11:5: The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked; And the one who loves violence His soul hates.

Malachi 1:2: “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob;

Romans 9:13: Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” (Who these people were and who their descendants are today is a whole different story)

Deuteronomy 1:27: and you grumbled in your tents and said, ‘Because the Lord hates us, He has brought us out of the land of Egypt to deliver us into the hand of the Amorites to destroy us.

Deuteronomy 9:28: Otherwise, the land from which You brought us may say, “Because the Lord was not able to bring them into the land which He had promised them and because He hated them He has brought them out to slay them in the wilderness.”

Jeremiah 12:8: “My inheritance has become to Me; Like a lion in the forest; She has roared against Me; Therefore I have come to hate her.

Psalm 106:40: Therefore the anger of the Lord was kindled against His people And He abhorred His inheritance.

Hosea 9:15: All their evil is at Gilgal; Indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house!
I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels.

Jeremiah 14:19: Have You completely rejected Judah? Or have You loathed Zion? Why have You stricken us so that we are beyond healing?
We waited for peace, but nothing good came; And for a time of healing, but behold, terror!

You suggested: “Maybe you should investigate that force rather than speak against it.”

Another failing of believers is this either or mystique that holds to a belief that one is either a believer or an atheist (non-believer) when in fact there’s a third option… agnosticism; the belief that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God: This is my position. That said, I have investigated that force and since I'm limited to earth and earthbound things, I have to conclude that in a universe as vast as it is, what I can ascertain is extremely limited, so much so, that it leads me to do the obvious... admit that I don't know what I don't know. Perhaps it's the illogical belief-based limitations found in religious sanctimony that prevent you from reaching the same conclusion. (Belief doesn’t know, it submits)

Finally, your counter is… “It is not a dumb argument. It is a comparison. Scientifically, there is no cold or darkness. We have words to describe the feeling…”

It's an earth-bound comparison that has little significance when you're talking about a Universal God. Let's agree that the universe is vast and all of it was created by some force or another (you call it God and that's ok) but astrophysics tells us that the entire make-up of that universe is 4.6% atoms, 27% Dark matter, and 68% Dark energy, therefore your perspective on light, cold and evil is based on far less than 4.6% of all that is, because we are, if nothing else, molecular. (feel free to look up my stats)

I'm not trying to get you to change your mind about any of this, it is just another in a long line of conversations that you and I have engaged in over the years, so I’ve always appreciated the civility and intellectual challenges. That said, expand your mind for a moment, acknowledge the vastness of the universe, and note that it is cold and dark you'd call it the absence of heat and/or light which is fair enough. Now to get heat and light we'll need an atom-based collision to generate both. As mentioned atoms comprise 4.6% of the entire universe therefore a reasonable mind would surmise that from massive the original thing- cold and darkness, come heat and light, not the archaic reverse incomplete standard that you put forward earlier.

How dark energy functions nobody knows, the same applies to dark matter. Cold and darkness are the constants of the universe; heat and light are its offspring. Even your bible supports this as noted in Genesis where your God says... "Let there be light!" and there’s only one question that arises from that declaration and it’s… instead of what? This is a reference to the sun, a yellow dwarf star that is a massive, nearly perfect sphere of hot plasma, heated to incandescence by nuclear fusion reactions in its core, radiating the energy from its surface mainly as visible light and infrared radiation with 10% at ultraviolet energies. It is by far the most important source of energy for life on Earth. As mentioned before, it's good to admit that you don't know! (Belief doesn’t know, it submits)

SN: I still haven’t given up on the mechanics and theory behind cold fusion.

Now let's talk about "evil" which is a function of man since there's no evidence of it ever existing outside of this planet. Again the logical mind tells us that in a universe beyond Earth where no evil, at least no evidence of evil has ever been recorded, there's "good," that comes in the form of everything else being exactly where and how it's supposed to be. This perspective aligns with certain philosophical and practical views where "goodness" is seen as the harmonious state of affairs, where everything functions according to its purpose and fits perfectly within a broader order. Unless you have some evidence that anything else in the universe is out of order we have to conclude that it is in order and the beings on this planet as relatively minuscule as they are… are out of order, perhaps by design in comparison. Evil (the smaller thing) comes from good (the greater thing) this too is supported by your bible and the God that you "believe" in who used "good" on seven different occasions during creation. However, it was the last one, of his/her, or its' creations, the only thing outside of your God, designed as "good" that's capable of producing evil as you call it. Evil comes from good not because of the absence of it relatively speaking. Your God therefore is, both good and evil OR a bad designer who creates a self-described “good” product in his/her or its own image that's capable of creating evil even in the presence of the good that it made. I lean toward the former because as previously mentioned; “God” is wholly made up by mankind. Worse, these “God” creators (Fred, Barney, Wilma, and Betty) were somewhere between 1st and 3rd-century mankind. (Belief doesn’t know, it submits)

So I guess we should define what it is to hate. Can you love what you hate? Hate in terms of what we as Americans use it may not be the same as what it means if God abhors or hates. When we hate, it is to the core. When God hates, it is the evil within people. If God hated in the manner in which we Americans use the word, he would not have offered them a path to forgiveness. At any point, anybody in the Bible could have found forgiveness which is not something we as humans typically are capable of for something we hate.

Let me ask it again like this. If your son were to be a ********* who murdered 30 children after doing what pedophiles do, would you abhor your son for his actions? Would it be just to abhor him as such? Now imagine being able to justly forgive him. Would that be the definition of hate you would use, or would you hate what he had done?

I can appreciate your agnostic stance. I can’t prove to you that God exists just like I can’t prove that Abraham Lincoln existed. All we can do is follow the evidence. I believe there is far greater existence that God exists and created all we see than the alternative that He does not exist. I also believe there is plenty of historical evidence to not only support the existence of Jesus, to include the biblical miracles, than there is to believe that Alexander the Great did what is taught. Now, if I am being intellectually honest and claim that I believe in Alexander the Great, then I must believe in Jesus Christ.

When we say heat, we are referring to heat energy. There is no such thing as cold energy. Something that is cold, simply lacks heat. Something that is hot does not lack cold. Something that is dark, lacks light. Something that is light does not lack darkness.

For the moral argument, we would have to define evil. What is evil for one person is not evil for another. Unless there is an objective judge of good and evil, a Creator, then evil cannot exist. The Creator is the objective measure of good and anything he states is evil would be an objective measure of that fact. As God created everything in the beginning, he stated and it was good. God gave us free will and we used it and it separated us from him. If we go against what is God’s perfect design, then we are doing evil. For the record, I do evil everyday.

 

[Stymietee]

And everything is religion, especially Darwinism.

Good point! So, until we know for certain, it's all Bullshit!

 

[gkekoa]

Good point! So, until we know for certain, it's all Bullshit!

Yet something has to be true.

 

[Stymietee]

So I guess we should define what it is to hate. Can you love what you hate? Hate in terms of what we as Americans use it may not be the same as what it means if God abhors or hates. When we hate, it is to the core. When God hates, it is the evil within people. If God hated in the manner in which we Americans use the word, he would not have offered them a path to forgiveness. At any point, anybody in the Bible could have found forgiveness which is not something we as humans typically are capable of for something we hate.

Let me ask it again like this. If your son were to be a ********* who murdered 30 children after doing what pedophiles do, would you abhor your son for his actions? Would it be just to abhor him as such? Now imagine being able to justly forgive him. Would that be the definition of hate you would use, or would you hate what he had done?

I can appreciate your agnostic stance. I can’t prove to you that God exists just like I can’t prove that Abraham Lincoln existed. All we can do is follow the evidence. I believe there is far greater existence that God exists and created all we see than the alternative that He does not exist. I also believe there is plenty of historical evidence to not only support the existence of Jesus, to include the biblical miracles, than there is to believe that Alexander the Great did what is taught. Now, if I am being intellectually honest and claim that I believe in Alexander the Great, then I must believe in Jesus Christ.

When we say heat, we are referring to heat energy. There is no such thing as cold energy. Something that is cold, simply lacks heat. Something that is hot does not lack cold. Something that is dark, lacks light. Something that is light does not lack darkness.

For the moral argument, we would have to define evil. What is evil for one person is not evil for another. Unless there is an objective judge of good and evil, a Creator, then evil cannot exist. The Creator is the objective measure of good and anything he states is evil would be an objective measure of that fact. As God created everything in the beginning, he stated and it was good. God gave us free will and we used it and it separated us from him. If we go against what is God’s perfect design, then we are doing evil. For the record, I do evil everyday.

I cannot believe that you wrote this about "hate!" According to your own beliefs (Christianity), you and everyone else were made in the image, so therefore, your God hates to the core or he, she, it is a very poor architect. The creator would be the responsible entity for that which was created, correct? So, "God" in effect hates him/her/itself! OK, got it!
So, why the need for a "path to forgiveness" when the perfect failed to create a being that didn't have this capability? Even then wouldn't the clear course correct be a do-over? It's not like this BS creator didn't see the disobedient ungodly flaw right away or will your defense be the Adam/Eve story is a metaphor? (I hope so) Btw: I've listed many occasions where your "God" hated or worse and you seem to want to narrow the field to only something that you manufactured... "the evil within people." let me ask you this, what evil did the unborn Easu commit?
Therefore, Isaac was one of God's children, but Ishmael wasn’t. Similarly, with Jacob and Esau – God chose Jacob, but not Esau. This was before they were born (Romans 9:11). Therefore, Jacob's election and Esau's rejection by God were not dependent on anything they did – rather it was God’s free sovereign choice.

I wouldn't hate my creation under any circumstance because his actions as horrible as they are don't dictate my feelings toward my child. I also wouldn't hate his actions either, especially if I called myself a Christian, because as you've outlined in your opening, to be Christ-like necessarily means there's a pathway to forgiveness. My goal and responsibility as his father is to try to understand why, which is contrary to what you're putting in your question and outlines the pretty standard hypocrisy in so-called, self-styled American Christians. Hell, I don't buy into any religion and I'm more "Christ-like" than a whole bunch of them.

Interesting take on Lincoln!, but for shits and giggles, you're leaving a fairly good written trail on this site, I'm sure that there are pictures of you somewhere in your family and your earth-time footprint is easily traceable, so, are you now telling me, that, like Lincoln, you don't exist or can't be proven to have existed? (using the common definition of having been alive?) It is also more interesting that you "believe" that "God" exists and question whether or not Lincoln ever did. Hey here's a biblical "miracle" that I can get behind, resurrecting from the dead, of course, today we call it standard or at times emergent CPR! Btw; no one said that Jesus never existed, just that your biblical version of the same is Bullshit!

I've already dismantled your "cold/heat" "light/dark," and "good/evil" perspective and see no reason to repeat this.

Interestingly, Christians try to use "free will" as the get out of jail free card when cornered, but the easy answer to that nonsense is why did this all-knowing, all-powerful, "creator" give it to you in the first place, knowing that his/her/its' pre-ordained, image flawed, creations would use it for something that he/she, it reportedly doesn't have..." hate?" (specifically, by your use of that word, unholy hate)

 

[Stymietee]

Yet something has to be true.

Agreed, as difficult as it appears to be embraced "I don't know!" is true.