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[Rowdy]

Agreed

So, you're saying that Tebow is insane!

Exactly!! Not of this world sums it up nicely!! (In other words... something Alien to all of us)

And...

Beyond the fact that he/it never existed as depicted, here are a few for you to consider.
The made up depicted Jesus was against government, in fact, government killed him and there are people by the millions still wearing and displaying his instrument of death. That version was all about unity and love, eventhough, he, his father, or he who was his own father, created evil, but so- called Christians believe that he/it is all about unity and love which is contrary to the human condition, therefore if there are humans in America, he/it would be against their normality. Btw; the whole abortion issue is one that he/it might be a bit confused about, while favoring an anti-abortion stance at some point in development his head scratching moment would be based on the disregard for that life after its born, which could stretch over 100 earth years!

Don’t know why you keep saying it. Definitely not a trans

 

[Stymietee]

Don’t know why you keep saying it. Definitely not a trans

????

 

[gkekoa]

Nonsense, there's no, zero, nada, evidence that the biblical Jesus ever existed. Now explain to me how you've reached that conclusion when the letter "J" didn't come into existence until much later. However, looking over that proof, I'll agree that people bearing that and any other spelling of that individual's name did exist and that there were probably many bearing the same name, all I need from you is proof that the exceptional manifestation was based in reality. Btw; you cannot use the Bible as a reference as it isn't evidence but a tool used to control and manipulate.

I give you props for trying but we agree that some other factor or factors played a role on all things that exist, where we part is when you or anyone else pretend to know anything about such a power and I'm willing to do what most people apparently find difficult to do... admit that I don't know.

Yes. His name was not spelled Jesus. It was translated as such, just like the name Mohammed is not spelled like this in Arabic.

Actually, the Bible is a history but Jesus was also in historical writings of Josephus and Tacitus and many more scholars.

The Bible Says Jesus Was Real. What Other Proof Exists? | HISTORY

Some argue that Jesus wasn't an actual man, but within a few decades of his lifetime, he was mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians.

www.history.com

And the Gospels were not biased. It is not bias to state what you saw, or what you are retelling.

No actual historian disputes the existence of Jesus.

 

[gkekoa]

Agreed

So, you're saying that Tebow is insane!

Exactly!! Not of this world sums it up nicely!! (In other words... something Alien to all of us)

And...

Beyond the fact that he/it never existed as depicted, here are a few for you to consider.
The made up depicted Jesus was against government, in fact, government killed him and there are people by the millions still wearing and displaying his instrument of death. That version was all about unity and love, eventhough, he, his father, or he who was his own father, created evil, but so- called Christians believe that he/it is all about unity and love which is contrary to the human condition, therefore if there are humans in America, he/it would be against their normality. Btw; the whole abortion issue is one that he/it might be a bit confused about, while favoring an anti-abortion stance at some point in development his head scratching moment would be based on the disregard for that life after its born, which could stretch over 100 earth years!

Jesus was not against government. He actually stated to give unto Caesar what is Caesars. Now if a government was unjust, then he was against that law and stated we should not adhere to it.

Actually, God did not create evil. Evil is the absence of God, just like cold is the absence of heat and darkness is the absence of light.

Not a single child in the US dies of starvation or cold unless the parents do it on purpose or there were extraordinary circumstances.

 

[Stymietee]

Jesus was not against government. He actually stated to give unto Caesar what is Caesars. Now if a government was unjust, then he was against that law and stated we should not adhere to it.

Actually, God did not create evil. Evil is the absence of God, just like cold is the absence of heat and darkness is the absence of light.

Not a single child in the US dies of starvation or cold unless the parents do it on purpose or there were extraordinary circumstances.

So, by your own words he would have been against this government.

Supposedly, this all powerful, all knowing being, was so stupid that he/she/it didn't know that he/she/it created these "voids" as you call them? Nonsense, read your Bible again and you'll find that "God" hates and hate is the sibling of evil. There's no "void" in a Creator that creates or makes ALL things possible. What kind of intellectual avoidance is this?

Define "child" biblically! Perhaps it's your point that "child" only applies to the unborn, but every supposed "good Christian" identifies as a child of God. There are no age limits.

The Bible contains many references to God's hatred of sin and unrighteousness, including:

• Proverbs 6:16-19: God hates six things and seven things that are detestable to him, including a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood.
  
  Psalm 5:5: God hates the workers of iniquity and all who do wrong.
  
  Psalm 11:5: God hates the wicked.
  
  Psalm 139:21–22: God hates those who hate him and counts them as his enemies.
  
  Psalm 26:5: God hates the assembly of evildoers and will not sit with the wicked.
  
  Psalm 31:6: God hates those who pay regard to worthless idols.
  
  Hosea 9:15: God will drive those who do evil from his house.
  
  Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13: God hated Esau before he was born.

 

[gkekoa]

So, by your own words he would have been against this government.

Supposedly, this all powerful, all knowing being, was so stupid that he/she/it didn't know that he/she/it created these "voids" as you call them? Nonsense, read your Bible again and you'll find that "God" hates and hate is the sibling of evil. There's no "void" in a Creator that creates or makes ALL things possible. What kind of intellectual avoidance is this?

Define "child" biblically! Perhaps it's your point that "child" only applies to the unborn, but every supposed "good Christian" identifies as a child of God. There are no age limits.

The Bible contains many references to God's hatred of sin and unrighteousness, including:

• Proverbs 6:16-19: God hates six things and seven things that are detestable to him, including a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood.
  
  Psalm 5:5: God hates the workers of iniquity and all who do wrong.
  
  Psalm 11:5: God hates the wicked.
  
  Psalm 139:21–22: God hates those who hate him and counts them as his enemies.
  
  Psalm 26:5: God hates the assembly of evildoers and will not sit with the wicked.
  
  Psalm 31:6: God hates those who pay regard to worthless idols.
  
  Hosea 9:15: God will drive those who do evil from his house.
  
  Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13: God hated Esau before he was born.

Yes God hates sin. I don’t think anybody ever claimed otherwise.

We are all children of God, even those such as you who disavow him.

Again…does cold exist? Does darkness exist? They do not by themselves exist. Just like evil by itself does not exist. Instead it is an absence of God.

 

[Stymietee]

Yes God hates sin. I don’t think anybody ever claimed otherwise.

We are all children of God, even those such as you who disavow him.

Again…does cold exist? Does darkness exist? They do not by themselves exist. Just like evil by itself does not exist. Instead it is an absence of God.

That depiction of God also hates people not just sin! Christians claim otherwise all of the time.

Whatever the force behind all that exists I do not disavow, I am comfortable enough with myself to admit that I know nothing about that force as so many foolish people refuse to do.

This is one of those dumb as rocks counter arguments designed to confuse, but as usual logic removes the confusion by giving it back. So, If cold doesn't exist then neither does heat, if darkness doesn't exist then neither does light, and if evil doesn't exist then neither does good just as you've stated it's an absence of an invisible, man made God. Nice try, but cold,heat, darkness, light, good and evil all exist! We even have words for them and so did your biblical God.

 

[gkekoa]

That depiction of God also hates people not just sin! Christians claim otherwise all of the time.

Whatever the force behind all that exists I do not disavow, I am comfortable enough with myself to admit that I know nothing about that force as so many foolish people refuse to do.

This is one of those dumb as rocks counter arguments designed to confuse, but as usual logic removes the confusion by giving it back. So, If cold doesn't exist then neither does heat, if darkness doesn't exist then neither does light, and if evil doesn't exist then neither does good just as you've stated it's an absence of an invisible, man made God. Nice try, but cold,heat, darkness, light, good and evil all exist! We even have words for them and so did your biblical God.

Who did God hate?

Maybe you should investigate that force rather than speak against it.

It is not a dumb argument. It is a comparison. Scientifically, there is no cold nor darkness. We have words to describe the feeling…

 

[chillerdab]

Theological debates on a thread started by a master gloater ona football message board about a team that has been irrelevant and objectively terrible for the better part of 20 years is - in my opinion - peak 2024.

Also, Harris got bitchslapped like a redheaded stepchild. Taken behind the woodshed.

Also, I’m still gonna be fine.

Also, no BRob could be a problem today, and I hope Lattimore plays on Thursday vs the Eagles.

Also, Dak is out for the season and the Giants suck. This Thursday’s game is massive.

I think that’s all for now.

 

[skinsdad62]

Master gloaters can’t gloat unless they are right , perhaps people should listen to what the gloater said in the first place while they were insulting him or her instead of half way using facts and evidence

 

[chillerdab]

Master gloaters can’t gloat unless they are right , perhaps people should listen to what the gloater said in the first place while they were insulting him or her instead of half way using facts and evidence

You are wrong as often as you are right, the difference being that you hardly ever admit that you are wrong when you are very clearly wrong.

Master gloaters often display an aversion to facts as a way of justifying their factually incorrect opinions about things.

Master gloaters also often get confused by simple facts simply because those facts dont align with their opinions.

If you feel insulted when sometimes being called out for your blatant untruths, then perhaps you should follow your own advice and not read those threads

In any case, like I said previously, it’s peak 2024 to be having a theological discussion on a thread started by a master gloater on a message board for an usually ireelevant team.

Wanna start a debate about how hypocritical the “religious right” are about their supposed love of Jesus and Christianty?

I sure dont.

Anywhoo, back to the sty and gkekoa show.

 

[reptec101]

I give props to Sty and gkek for presenting compelling arguments on "there is a God" v "there Isn't one." I personally believe in God for a lot of reasons, though I fail him miserably everyday, but for me however it seems obvious that a master architect is at play here. Aside from the mere beauty of the world just how mathematically and rhythmically accurate the earth is placed in our universe. A slight tilt either way. A degree or two closer either way and we don't exist, but it goes deeper than that. So deep in fact that Darwin himself was left befuddled, but more on that in a bit. To me personally the thought of how man came to be is absurd. That we were equivalent to a bacterium slug crawling out from pond scum to the dry ground and thru evolution developed arms, legs, head, brain, and in order to multiply on now woman had to split from that bacterium and begin her own evolution, and even if that happened everything had to be mathematically in tune for any of this to be. The most perfect storm to ever be.

Now I mentioned the one thing Darwin could not explain. Eyesight. He wrote "that the idea of natural selection producing the eye seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree." From the way the lens was perfectly positioned to focus light onto the retina to the way the iris adjusted the amount of light that could enter the eye were complexing as hell for him to explain.

I believe in evolution. I believe we evolve to bigger, stronger and more intelligent beings with time but all through the grace of God, and certainly not from a slug wiggling it's way out from the depths.

Just my opinion.

 

[gkekoa]

I give props to Sty and gkek for presenting compelling arguments on "there is a God" v "there Isn't one." I personally believe in God for a lot of reasons, though I fail him miserably everyday, but for me however it seems obvious that a master architect is at play here. Aside from the mere beauty of the world just how mathematically and rhythmically accurate the earth is placed in our universe. A slight tilt either way. A degree or two closer either way and we don't exist, but it goes deeper than that. So deep in fact that Darwin himself was left befuddled, but more on that in a bit. To me personally the thought of how man came to be is absurd. That we were equivalent to a bacterium slug crawling out from pond scum to the dry ground and thru evolution developed arms, legs, head, brain, and in order to multiply on now woman had to split from that bacterium and begin her own evolution, and even if that happened everything had to be mathematically in tune for any of this to be. The most perfect storm to ever be.

Now I mentioned the one thing Darwin could not explain. Eyesight. He wrote "that the idea of natural selection producing the eye seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree." From the way the lens was perfectly positioned to focus light onto the retina to the way the iris adjusted the amount of light that could enter the eye were complexing as hell for him to explain.

I believe in evolution. I believe we evolve to bigger, stronger and more intelligent beings with time but all through the grace of God, and certainly not from a slug wiggling it's way out from the depths.

Just my opinion.

 

[RedskinzDan]

Communism clearly rejected. Now if we could just get rid of the damn Commie name for the team.

 

[Rowdy]

NFL Permanently Bans ‘Black National Anthem,’ Declares “There Is Only One National Anthem” – Zapon

 

[reptec101]

Man Gkek that was deep. Enjoyed, and he's right, we have to day walking the earth the monkey and the man. Nowhere to be found is the in between. Now in my logical reasoning we shouldn't even have the monkey around, but we do. It's like if you roll a small snowball down a hill and it gradually becomes larger. The small snowball doesn't exist anymore. it evolved into something much bigger. Yet the monkey remains unfettered. Some theories suggest that only one group of monkeys advanced and evolved while the others stayed and were left behind. The opening to the movie 2001 A Space Odyssey depicts this very thing. Every argument either way is compelling and makes you think and wonder, but again for me, and seems you also, is that the only truly logical reason of merit that one can conclude with practicality that nobody can scientifically dispute..ever,,... is a sole creator. God.

 

[skinsdad62]

i am pretty much thinking its a waste of time trying to convince anyone on evolution because you always have the "experts are always right " crowd or the " trust the science " crowd who doesnt believe you can question science at all .

its a theory , it has some compelling things to it , but it has some holes to it as well

 

[Stymietee]

Who did God hate?

Maybe you should investigate that force rather than speak against it.

It is not a dumb argument. It is a comparison. Scientifically, there is no cold nor darkness. We have words to describe the feeling…

You asked: “Who did God hate?” Here’s a list:

Leviticus 20:23: Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I will drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.

Leviticus 26:30: I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols, for My soul shall abhor you.

Psalm 5:5: The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.

Psalm 5:6: You destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.

Deuteronomy 18:12: For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you.

Deuteronomy 22:5: “A woman shall not wear man’s clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Psalm 11:5: The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked; And the one who loves violence His soul hates.

Malachi 1:2: “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob;

Romans 9:13: Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” (Who these people were and who their descendants are today is a whole different story)

Deuteronomy 1:27: and you grumbled in your tents and said, ‘Because the Lord hates us, He has brought us out of the land of Egypt to deliver us into the hand of the Amorites to destroy us.

Deuteronomy 9:28: Otherwise, the land from which You brought us may say, “Because the Lord was not able to bring them into the land which He had promised them and because He hated them He has brought them out to slay them in the wilderness.”

Jeremiah 12:8: “My inheritance has become to Me; Like a lion in the forest; She has roared against Me; Therefore I have come to hate her.

Psalm 106:40: Therefore the anger of the Lord was kindled against His people And He abhorred His inheritance.

Hosea 9:15: All their evil is at Gilgal; Indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house!
I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels.

Jeremiah 14:19: Have You completely rejected Judah? Or have You loathed Zion? Why have You stricken us so that we are beyond healing?
We waited for peace, but nothing good came; And for a time of healing, but behold, terror!

You suggested: “Maybe you should investigate that force rather than speak against it.”

Another failing of believers is this either or mystique that holds to a belief that one is either a believer or an atheist (non-believer) when in fact there’s a third option… agnosticism; the belief that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God: This is my position. That said, I have investigated that force and since I'm limited to earth and earthbound things, I have to conclude that in a universe as vast as it is, what I can ascertain is extremely limited, so much so, that it leads me to do the obvious... admit that I don't know what I don't know. Perhaps it's the illogical belief-based limitations found in religious sanctimony that prevent you from reaching the same conclusion. (Belief doesn’t know, it submits)

Finally, your counter is… “It is not a dumb argument. It is a comparison. Scientifically, there is no cold or darkness. We have words to describe the feeling…”

It's an earth-bound comparison that has little significance when you're talking about a Universal God. Let's agree that the universe is vast and all of it was created by some force or another (you call it God and that's ok) but astrophysics tells us that the entire make-up of that universe is 4.6% atoms, 27% Dark matter, and 68% Dark energy, therefore your perspective on light, cold and evil is based on far less than 4.6% of all that is, because we are, if nothing else, molecular. (feel free to look up my stats)

I'm not trying to get you to change your mind about any of this, it is just another in a long line of conversations that you and I have engaged in over the years, so I’ve always appreciated the civility and intellectual challenges. That said, expand your mind for a moment, acknowledge the vastness of the universe, and note that it is cold and dark you'd call it the absence of heat and/or light which is fair enough. Now to get heat and light we'll need an atom-based collision to generate both. As mentioned atoms comprise 4.6% of the entire universe therefore a reasonable mind would surmise that from massive the original thing- cold and darkness, come heat and light, not the archaic reverse incomplete standard that you put forward earlier.

How dark energy functions nobody knows, the same applies to dark matter. Cold and darkness are the constants of the universe; heat and light are its offspring. Even your bible supports this as noted in Genesis where your God says... "Let there be light!" and there’s only one question that arises from that declaration and it’s… instead of what? This is a reference to the sun, a yellow dwarf star that is a massive, nearly perfect sphere of hot plasma, heated to incandescence by nuclear fusion reactions in its core, radiating the energy from its surface mainly as visible light and infrared radiation with 10% at ultraviolet energies. It is by far the most important source of energy for life on Earth. As mentioned before, it's good to admit that you don't know! (Belief doesn’t know, it submits)

SN: I still haven’t given up on the mechanics and theory behind cold fusion.

Now let's talk about "evil" which is a function of man since there's no evidence of it ever existing outside of this planet. Again the logical mind tells us that in a universe beyond Earth where no evil, at least no evidence of evil has ever been recorded, there's "good," that comes in the form of everything else being exactly where and how it's supposed to be. This perspective aligns with certain philosophical and practical views where "goodness" is seen as the harmonious state of affairs, where everything functions according to its purpose and fits perfectly within a broader order. Unless you have some evidence that anything else in the universe is out of order we have to conclude that it is in order and the beings on this planet as relatively minuscule as they are… are out of order, perhaps by design in comparison. Evil (the smaller thing) comes from good (the greater thing) this too is supported by your bible and the God that you "believe" in who used "good" on seven different occasions during creation. However, it was the last one, of his/her, or its' creations, the only thing outside of your God, designed as "good" that's capable of producing evil as you call it. Evil comes from good not because of the absence of it relatively speaking. Your God therefore is, both good and evil OR a bad designer who creates a self-described “good” product in his/her or its own image that's capable of creating evil even in the presence of the good that it made. I lean toward the former because as previously mentioned; “God” is wholly made up by mankind. Worse, these “God” creators (Fred, Barney, Wilma, and Betty) were somewhere between 1st and 3rd-century mankind. (Belief doesn’t know, it submits)

 

[Stymietee]

Everything is a theory... including religion!

 

[Stymietee]

1... And yet the creation theory is that man was made from the earth! We have not seen this either. (Btw; I don't agree with the entirety of evolutionary postulates either... see #4 below)

2... and (single cell life forms) there's no evidence that man came from anything else.

3... Time works against religion as well, as there's no cumulative evidence of a "God" (prayer = happenstance)

4... The evolution exhibit works if you include one thing... selective sexual activity. (There's archeological evidence of all but one of the different stages)

( Creation and evolution are but two theories, however, there's a third theory, I'll post it in a few minutes!)