Trade Rumors

[lasgop8]

oh i do too, doesn't mean he was worth 3 high-end prospects and a 20 goal scorer

Toronto Maple Leafs? Joffrey Lupul?s injury history | NHL | Sports | National Post

above is your 20 goal scorer and three prospects who may never do anything Ill take pronger and our cup appearance any day.

 

[lasgop8]

When the last time there has been a legit dynasty in the NHL? The 80's with Edmonton? The closest I can think of are Detroit and NJ and while they had good runs I don't consider them dynasties. Only other real dynasties are even older than that (Islanders, Canadiens).

Flyers 2013-14,2014-15,2015-16

 

[jerseyjigroe]

Toronto Maple Leafs? Joffrey Lupul?s injury history | NHL | Sports | National Post

above is your 20 goal scorer and three prospects who may never do anything Ill take pronger and our cup appearance any day.

Plus, I just hate Lupol.

Joffrey Lupul on Guitar - YouTube lol

 

[jerseyjigroe]

Flyers 2013-14,2014-15,2015-16

Sounds good to me.

 

[awaz]

Flyers 2013-14,2014-15,2015-16

 

[awaz]

Toronto Maple Leafs? Joffrey Lupul?s injury history | NHL | Sports | National Post

above is your 20 goal scorer and three prospects who may never do anything Ill take pronger and our cup appearance any day.

he also scored 25 goals with tyler bozak as his center. tyler. bozak.

 

[jerseyjigroe]

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#Flyers will have room to make a move. They have about $1.5M in cap space, which can grow significantly if Pronger and Walker r put on LTIR.

 

[awaz]

i'm more concerned with who/what they have that can bring some value in, if they decide to go the trade route.. i really think this is the right year to just stand pat and let everyone grow.. i dont think the time is right to make another 1st/2nd round pick for the playoff run of an aging vet type move

 

[jerseyjigroe]

i'm more concerned with who/what they have that can bring some value in, if they decide to go the trade route.. i really think this is the right year to just stand pat and let everyone grow.. i dont think the time is right to make another 1st/2nd round pick for the playoff run of an aging vet type move

He said they won't actually move those guys to LTIR to make a trade unless the Flyers really don't start improving.

 

[awaz]

He said they won't actually move those guys to LTIR to make a trade unless the Flyers really don't start improving.

good the hear.. the nuances of LTIR might be the hardest thing to understand in the CBA haha

 

[jerseyjigroe]

good the hear.. the nuances of LTIR might be the hardest thing to understand in the CBA haha

Yeah, he said that if we don't have any one on LTIR at the time of a trade then we are only responsible for prorated portion in regards to cap hit. If we have guys on LTIR we have to pay the whole thing.

 

[dspice07]

so confused with ltir haha

 

[banditshcky11]

So I was read hockeybuzz a few minutes ago and even though I find Eklund to be an idiot I cam across in his blog that I found interesting. It was about guys who were struggling on their respective teams who could be had for a reasonable price and turn things around among them was Magnus Paajarvi and ths is what was said about him.


Magnus Paajarvi: The player once considered to be "Sweden's next NHL superstar" has been a disappointment in Edmonton, and was just returned to the minor leagues. With the Oilers having so many talented young forwards at the NHL level, Paajarvi appears to be the odd man out. He's not going to fetch a high-end defenseman at this point, but there are still a few NHL teams who think he'll eventually blossom in the same Naslund did after a loaded Pittsburgh team gave up on him. Critics say Paajarvi is too soft and too much of a perimeter player.... but then again some of these same folks once dismissed Naslund in the same way.


Now in no way do I expect him to become a Naslund type player however looking at his profile on hockey furtures(which again should be taken with a grain of salt) says...


Pääjärvi Svensson is a very speedy and skilled winger. His acceleration is top notch and what really characterizes his game is the way he drives to the net. In full speed, he gets around the opposing defenseman with ease and usually gets the puck on the net with a quick wrist-shot. Offensively, he is also blessed with above average hockey sense, nice technical skills and the ability to set up his teammates with passes. He is a creative player with smarts that usually scores quite spectacular goals and does things that are hard for the defensemen to read.

Defensively, he has throughout his career as a junior been considered as a sloppy player with not enough willingness to back check and to the dirty work. This is something Pääjärvi Svensson has worked very hard on and improved significantly. Today, he is in fact a quite capable two-way player that also battles for the puck and takes care of his responsibilities. However, there are still some defensive aspects that could use improvement. Size and strength is good and he has all the tools to become a dangerous offensive force in the future.


I could see him being a decent guy to have around especially seeing he's a former 1st round(10th overall) pick, is only 24 & will be an rfa who won't commend a ginormous raise. He's had a really tough time breaking into the Oilers top 6 and I don't think that's nessecarily a knock to him looking at who they now have. I think this could work here because we really don't have a traditional top 6 setup, we have more like a a top 3 and then lines that look like 2A & 2B serving different purposes but still getting decent playing time.


I'm wondering if either Gusty or a 2nd(maybe Gusty and a 3rd/4th) would be enough to pry him away from Edmonton.

Thoughts?

 

[dspice07]

So I was read hockeybuzz a few minutes ago and even though I find Eklund to be an idiot I cam across in his blog that I found interesting. It was about guys who were struggling on their respective teams who could be had for a reasonable price and turn things around among them was Magnus Paajarvi and ths is what was said about him.


Magnus Paajarvi: The player once considered to be "Sweden's next NHL superstar" has been a disappointment in Edmonton, and was just returned to the minor leagues. With the Oilers having so many talented young forwards at the NHL level, Paajarvi appears to be the odd man out. He's not going to fetch a high-end defenseman at this point, but there are still a few NHL teams who think he'll eventually blossom in the same Naslund did after a loaded Pittsburgh team gave up on him. Critics say Paajarvi is too soft and too much of a perimeter player.... but then again some of these same folks once dismissed Naslund in the same way.


Now in no way do I expect him to become a Naslund type player however looking at his profile on hockey furtures(which again should be taken with a grain of salt) says...


Pääjärvi Svensson is a very speedy and skilled winger. His acceleration is top notch and what really characterizes his game is the way he drives to the net. In full speed, he gets around the opposing defenseman with ease and usually gets the puck on the net with a quick wrist-shot. Offensively, he is also blessed with above average hockey sense, nice technical skills and the ability to set up his teammates with passes. He is a creative player with smarts that usually scores quite spectacular goals and does things that are hard for the defensemen to read.

Defensively, he has throughout his career as a junior been considered as a sloppy player with not enough willingness to back check and to the dirty work. This is something Pääjärvi Svensson has worked very hard on and improved significantly. Today, he is in fact a quite capable two-way player that also battles for the puck and takes care of his responsibilities. However, there are still some defensive aspects that could use improvement. Size and strength is good and he has all the tools to become a dangerous offensive force in the future.


I could see him being a decent guy to have around especially seeing he's a former 1st round(10th overall) pick, is only 24 & will be an rfa who won't commend a ginormous raise. He's had a really tough time breaking into the Oilers top 6 and I don't think that's nessecarily a knock to him looking at who they now have. I think this could work here because we really don't have a traditional top 6 setup, we have more like a a top 3 and then lines that look like 2A & 2B serving different purposes but still getting decent playing time.


I'm wondering if either Gusty or a 2nd(maybe Gusty and a 3rd/4th) would be enough to pry him away from Edmonton.

Thoughts?

i would say that it is of the flyers style to look for former 1st rounders needing a change in scene.

but it doesnt really address our problem which is defense. i think that the offense can only get better, as it cannot get worse. but if we were to acquire him and he were to show improvement that would be great.

 

[awaz]

so confused with ltir haha

from what i've gathered, it isn't actual cap space. it's only an allowance if you have to go over. so say teh flyers wanted to add a guy that was a 2 mil hit but only had 1 mil of space. they would use 1 mil of their alotted LTIR space.

That 1 mil in space though adds up. So they save the equivalent daily salary to spend towards the cap later in the year. I'm not 100% sure, but if you have a guy on LTIR, you cannot bank saved cap space. Which is why the flyers don't have pronger/walker on LTIR right now. JJG is also saying that if you have a player on LTIR, you dont get a pro-rated cap hit, but i think that's just a way to skirt the banked/daily cap hit concept without digging in to it, because i dont think cap hit's are truely pro-rated, you just have more money at the end of the year (if you were banking), so instead of having the equivalent of 70mil/day you have the equivalent of 71mil/day.

at least, i think that's how it actually works.. saying it's a pro-rated cap hit is just the simple version of explaining it. in reality you have more money to spend so it looks like a pro-rated cap hit. i think.

(not a knock on JJG's info, i know he's just bringing it in from carchidi)

 

[dspice07]

from what i've gathered, it isn't actual cap space. it's only an allowance if you have to go over. so say teh flyers wanted to add a guy that was a 2 mil hit but only had 1 mil of space. they would use 1 mil of their alotted LTIR space.

That 1 mil in space though adds up. So they save the equivalent daily salary to spend towards the cap later in the year. I'm not 100% sure, but if you have a guy on LTIR, you cannot bank saved cap space. Which is why the flyers don't have pronger/walker on LTIR right now. JJG is also saying that if you have a player on LTIR, you dont get a pro-rated cap hit, but i think that's just a way to skirt the banked/daily cap hit concept without digging in to it, because i dont think cap hit's are truely pro-rated, you just have more money at the end of the year (if you were banking), so instead of having the equivalent of 70mil/day you have the equivalent of 71mil/day.

at least, i think that's how it actually works.. saying it's a pro-rated cap hit is just the simple version of explaining it. in reality you have more money to spend so it looks like a pro-rated cap hit. i think.

(not a knock on JJG's info, i know he's just bringing it in from carchidi)

i just wonder why they didnt exercise the buyout of pronger this year then. everyone knows that he is never playing again.

 

[awaz]

So I was read hockeybuzz a few minutes ago and even though I find Eklund to be an idiot I cam across in his blog that I found interesting. It was about guys who were struggling on their respective teams who could be had for a reasonable price and turn things around among them was Magnus Paajarvi and ths is what was said about him.


Magnus Paajarvi: The player once considered to be "Sweden's next NHL superstar" has been a disappointment in Edmonton, and was just returned to the minor leagues. With the Oilers having so many talented young forwards at the NHL level, Paajarvi appears to be the odd man out. He's not going to fetch a high-end defenseman at this point, but there are still a few NHL teams who think he'll eventually blossom in the same Naslund did after a loaded Pittsburgh team gave up on him. Critics say Paajarvi is too soft and too much of a perimeter player.... but then again some of these same folks once dismissed Naslund in the same way.


Now in no way do I expect him to become a Naslund type player however looking at his profile on hockey furtures(which again should be taken with a grain of salt) says...


Pääjärvi Svensson is a very speedy and skilled winger. His acceleration is top notch and what really characterizes his game is the way he drives to the net. In full speed, he gets around the opposing defenseman with ease and usually gets the puck on the net with a quick wrist-shot. Offensively, he is also blessed with above average hockey sense, nice technical skills and the ability to set up his teammates with passes. He is a creative player with smarts that usually scores quite spectacular goals and does things that are hard for the defensemen to read.

Defensively, he has throughout his career as a junior been considered as a sloppy player with not enough willingness to back check and to the dirty work. This is something Pääjärvi Svensson has worked very hard on and improved significantly. Today, he is in fact a quite capable two-way player that also battles for the puck and takes care of his responsibilities. However, there are still some defensive aspects that could use improvement. Size and strength is good and he has all the tools to become a dangerous offensive force in the future.


I could see him being a decent guy to have around especially seeing he's a former 1st round(10th overall) pick, is only 24 & will be an rfa who won't commend a ginormous raise. He's had a really tough time breaking into the Oilers top 6 and I don't think that's nessecarily a knock to him looking at who they now have. I think this could work here because we really don't have a traditional top 6 setup, we have more like a a top 3 and then lines that look like 2A & 2B serving different purposes but still getting decent playing time.


I'm wondering if either Gusty or a 2nd(maybe Gusty and a 3rd/4th) would be enough to pry him away from Edmonton.

Thoughts?

i definitely think that's the type of deal the flyers should look for.. a guy that was touted to have tons of offensive skill, but hasn't been able to realize it.. even once the offense starts clicking again, i still think they're a shooter away from being a real solid team on offense.. if MPJ could be that guy, i'm all for trying to get him while his value is low.. i was actually hoping terravainen (similar type player) would've slipped a couple more slots so we could've drafted him last summer.. off topic, but i was hoping vasilevski would've dropped one more too, we have the same name, except his is the russian way haha

however, i wouldn't want to move gusty for him, or a 2nd round pick.. i think the 1st/2nd round picks are pretty important for the flyers to hang on to this year, they need to restock the farm a little bit.. and i wouldn't move gusty because they do need a puck mover too.. and right now if you're looking from within, its him or it's gostisbehere, and gostisbehere is probably another year or two out still.. so i think, just based on the role he plays, gust is near untouchable right now unless you bring in a puck mover

i would definitely consider MAB or manning or someone similar, and a 3rd/4th rounder

 

[jerseyjigroe]

i just wonder why they didnt exercise the buyout of pronger this year then. everyone knows that he is never playing again.

From what I've read you can't use the buyout on an injured player so Pronger isn't even an option.

 

[jerseyjigroe]

from what i've gathered, it isn't actual cap space. it's only an allowance if you have to go over. so say teh flyers wanted to add a guy that was a 2 mil hit but only had 1 mil of space. they would use 1 mil of their alotted LTIR space.

That 1 mil in space though adds up. So they save the equivalent daily salary to spend towards the cap later in the year. I'm not 100% sure, but if you have a guy on LTIR, you cannot bank saved cap space. Which is why the flyers don't have pronger/walker on LTIR right now. JJG is also saying that if you have a player on LTIR, you dont get a pro-rated cap hit, but i think that's just a way to skirt the banked/daily cap hit concept without digging in to it, because i dont think cap hit's are truely pro-rated, you just have more money at the end of the year (if you were banking), so instead of having the equivalent of 70mil/day you have the equivalent of 71mil/day.

at least, i think that's how it actually works.. saying it's a pro-rated cap hit is just the simple version of explaining it. in reality you have more money to spend so it looks like a pro-rated cap hit. i think.

(not a knock on JJG's info, i know he's just bringing it in from carchidi)

lol yeah...in fairness to Carchidi though he was limited to just 180 characters.

 

[jerseyjigroe]

i definitely think that's the type of deal the flyers should look for.. a guy that was touted to have tons of offensive skill, but hasn't been able to realize it..

Like JVR? lol