Trade ideas

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

Understood, but Crick and Susac won't do anything to win a World Series this year or next. Zobrist likely will, doing things well (2b, OF) that we need right now.

IMO Zobrist isn't the difference maker for our WS hopes. He improves our lineup but we are still in similar position and we would have gave up the farm to get him

 

[calsnowskier]

I said it earlier today (was it yesterday?) somewhere that I would not even consider giving both Crisk AND Susac for Zobrist alone. I would consider one of them, but no way both. If they are asking for both, AND SOME, then I think I want to see what Uggla can do.

 

[Mays-Fan]

IMO Zobrist isn't the difference maker for our WS hopes. He improves our lineup but we are still in similar position and we would have gave up the farm to get him

Gotta give to get. We all moaned at Alderson for FSan, and Wheeler for Beltran. But where are Alderson and Wheeler now?

And Zobrist greatly improves a huge hole at 2b.

 

[calsnowskier]

Gotta give to get. We all moaned at Alderson for FSan, and Wheeler for Beltran. But where are Alderson and Wheeler now?

And Zobrist greatly improves a huge hole at 2b.

That's why I would consider EITHER of them for Z. But BOTH? Susser alone should be able to fetch a nice prize. Remember, ToJo fetched Pence (granted, with a B-pitching prospect and a decent 3/4 OFer).

If we could get Pence's twin brother for Susac, Blanco and Fleet, I would do that trade yesterday.

 

[msgkings322]

Gotta give to get. We all moaned at Alderson for FSan, and Wheeler for Beltran. But where are Alderson and Wheeler now?

And Zobrist greatly improves a huge hole at 2b.

To be fair, Wheeler is projected to be a solid starter. But I still believe it was the right deal to make.

As far as this year, if we need to improve the club, we are simply going to have to get rid of something valuable if we want something valuable. We all say "Sabean get it done! We need a ______ now! Keep up with the Dodgers!" Well, that involves trading away players we like.

We have to decide are we in a window of 2-3 more years, or are we rebuilding? Most teams can't really do both.

 

[Mays-Fan]

To be fair, Wheeler is projected to be a solid starter. But I still believe it was the right deal to make.

As far as this year, if we need to improve the club, we are simply going to have to get rid of something valuable if we want something valuable. We all say "Sabean get it done! We need a ______ now! Keep up with the Dodgers!" Well, that involves trading away players we like.

We have to decide are we in a window of 2-3 more years, or are we rebuilding? Most teams can't really do both.

Well, if we can get a win for Bum, we will likely be 2 games up with 61 to play. Only the most pantshatty of sociopathic trolls wants us to sell and stock the farm. The window is certainly there this year.

 

[msgkings322]

Well, if we can get a win for Bum, we will likely be 2 games up with 61 to play. Only the most pantshatty of sociopathic trolls wants us to sell and stock the farm. The window is certainly there this year.

I'm definitely in the 'trade kids to win this year' camp.

 

[calsnowskier]

To be fair, Wheeler is projected to be a solid starter. But I still believe it was the right deal to make.

As far as this year, if we need to improve the club, we are simply going to have to get rid of something valuable if we want something valuable. We all say "Sabean get it done! We need a ______ now! Keep up with the Dodgers!" Well, that involves trading away players we like.

We have to decide are we in a window of 2-3 more years, or are we rebuilding? Most teams can't really do both.

Just because we are in "win now" mode, does not mean we empty the cupboard for the first option that comes along. Crick, Susac, Williamson, Arroyo, Blackburn, etc are all assets. These assets need to be managed and sold off appropriately.

Just because we need a minivan for the family does not mean we cash in all the life-insurance policies and 401K accounts to buy one for 300K. We buy one for 30K and be smart about how we do it.

 

[Mays-Fan]

Just because we are in "win now" mode, does not mean we empty the cupboard for the first option that comes along. Crick, Susac, Williamson, Arroyo, Blackburn, etc are all assets. These assets need to be managed and sold off appropriately.

Just because we need a minivan for the family does not mean we cash in all the life-insurance policies and 401K accounts to buy one for 300K. We buy one for 30K and be smart about how we do it.

I agree with the sentiment, but the market for available and desirable ballplayers is much thinner and more competitive than that for minivans. There are very limited opportunities to get needed players, and one has to be aggressive and willing to risk failure to be successful.

 

[msgkings322]

Just because we are in "win now" mode, does not mean we empty the cupboard for the first option that comes along. Crick, Susac, Williamson, Arroyo, Blackburn, etc are all assets. These assets need to be managed and sold off appropriately.

Just because we need a minivan for the family does not mean we cash in all the life-insurance policies and 401K accounts to buy one for 300K. We buy one for 30K and be smart about how we do it.

No doubt, and I have no idea what the actual market is like as the GMs conversations fly. I trust Sabean on that, he's earned it. My point is, if he does make a trade, and we get something back worth more than Dan Uggla, we will give up a guy or two that makes us cringe.

I assume if the asking price is too high, Sabean will pass.

 

[msgkings322]

I agree with the sentiment, but the market for available and desirable ballplayers is much thinner and more competitive than that for minivans. There are very limited opportunities to get needed players, and one has to be aggressive and willing to risk failure to be successful.

Well said.

 

[msgkings322]

Got me thinking (rain delay and all), are there ANY players we've let go/traded that showed up somewhere else and kicked ass to where we regretted it?

Wheeler I guess will qualify, but anyone else?

I noticed Eric Surkamp is now stinking it up in the White Sox bullpen.

Seriously, anyone (in recent times)?

 

[Mays-Fan]

Got me thinking (rain delay and all), are there ANY players we've let go/traded that showed up somewhere else and kicked ass to where we regretted it?

Wheeler I guess will qualify, but anyone else?

I noticed Eric Surkamp is now stinking it up in the White Sox bullpen.

Seriously, anyone (in recent times)?

Jesse Foppert?

Wait, what?

 

[ColinCoby]

Jesse Foppert?

Wait, what?

Armando Rios?

 

[Toolrulzz]

Got me thinking (rain delay and all), are there ANY players we've let go/traded that showed up somewhere else and kicked ass to where we regretted it?

Wheeler I guess will qualify, but anyone else?

I noticed Eric Surkamp is now stinking it up in the White Sox bullpen.

Seriously, anyone (in recent times)?

Fairly recent

Giants give up Nathan in deal for catcher - MLB - ESPN

 

[Mays-Fan]

Fairly recent

Giants give up Nathan in deal for catcher - MLB - ESPN

But then there's the Pence for Schierholtz, Joseph, and Rosin trade. We clearly got the best of that one.

People forget that most "prospects" don't succeed in the majors.

 

[SFGRTB]

I would trade Crick+Susac++ for Price.

I would not for Zobrist.

 

[calsnowskier]

I would trade Crick+Susac++ for Price.

I would not for Zobrist.

I doubt Crick and Susac are enough to land Price, though.

 

[SFGRTB]

I doubt Crick and Susac are enough to land Price, though.

++

Though we'd still probably get out-bid.

 

[calsnowskier]

++

Though we'd still probably get out-bid.

I understand you had a ++ on there. But when you are dangling a guy like Price, the first thing you look at is the centerpiece of the package you are getting in return, and neither Crick nor Susac (or both) are nearly big enough to be the centerpiece to get him. You need a Pederson or a Braxton type of centerpiece to get that deal done.