In his prime, I don't think anyone was more unhittable than Koufax. Lefty Grove is another candidate. He was dominant for years before he joined the A's when the gap between the high minors and majors was much closer. If factoring injuries, Mantle should be in the talk. Many said he had more God given talent than anyone
“Legend” is legit, imho. Voting against someone just because isn’t.
Outside his 5?, Koufax was better than average, he placed in the top 5 in strikeouts prior to his 1960 season and that was behind Drysdale for the top pitcher. As the #2 or even 3 pitcher, he remained one of the top strikeout leaders, that's better than average.
Being elite for 5 years is great and he is still a top pitcher but it’s more impressive to havd those elite years and longevity like Gibson, Randy, Roger, Maddux, Seaver, and those old timers, etc. with long, dominant careers. That’s why he gets the knock. Still arguably one of the best lefties of all-time. He has no business being close to a top 5 or top 10 player of all-time…which is why he isn’t in the poll. Probably not a top 10 SP of all-time.
He isn’t in the discussion for me for all the knocks mentioned in this thread. But he is a name who floats at the bottom part of the 35-list. Because of THIS discussion, I will probably put him back on the list for the #5 poll. Not because he belongs in the discussion for #5, but because I want to keep the bottom part of the poll rotating.
2.5 career ERA in the era he played in is kinda ridiculous. Weirdly of the modern pitchers his playoff numbers are also fairly legit.
Based on the insane amount of PEDs he took. I've never seen a humans head grow that much as an adult and he completely transformed his body and his career. His cheating is the only thing putting him in this particular conversation. Aaron would have hit 1,000 HRs if he did the same
Aaron hit 755 thanks to greenies, which were equally illegal in the game and in society as whatever Bonds took. You stumping for Aaron shows your lack of consistency in your argument.
His 1961 wasn’t bad. Let the league in struck outs.
With Williams off the board I think maybe an argument for Cobb and Hornsby entering the mix. Bonds on the board probably blocks Aaron, Clemens, and ARod unless you just arent voting for Bonds.
The attempt to compare the massive amounts of PEDs taken by Bonds to the point that they completely changed his body and seemingly doubled his power to greenies with regards to the level of enhancement it gives you from a performance perspective is silly and that's if he even took them. I'll take your word that he did, but even if he did it still isn't in any way whatsoever similar.
It is the technology that was available at the time.
I have no idea what that sentence means.....
