POLL Top 10 poll #16: #16 player in history - Runoff

[calsnowskier]

Runoff for the #16 player in baseball history. Poll closes Saturday AM.

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[steveringo]

 

[calsnowskier]

Yup.

my exact concern

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Yup.

my exact concern

idk... i may disagree with the results here... but there really is only one player on that list i dont think belongs... so, even though i think the best of this group is Randy Johnson, as long as griffey does not win, i would be ok with it...

I do have pujols over all 3 offensive guys in this runoff... but Joe D and speaker are close enough...

 

[calsnowskier]

Tris Speaker (CF) 1907 - 1928

1 MVP, 1 top 5 MVP, 1 top 10 MVP, 1 additional season receiving MVP votes (MVP only given in 4 years of his career)

135.0, 62.1

Bold: WAR 3, RBI 1, 2B 8, HR 1, OPS 1, TB 1, all time 2B

OPS+ buckets

180 - 3
160 - 6
140 - 6
120 - 2

Joe DiMaggio (CF) 1936 - 1951 (3 years lost to WWII)

3 MVP, 3 top 5 MVP, 4 top 10 MVP, 2 additional seasons with MVP votes, 13 ASG (AS every year of career)

79.1, 52.1

Bold: WAR 3, R 1, 3B 1, HR 2, RBI 2, TB 3

OPS+ buckets

180 - 2
160 - 3
140 - 4
120 - 2

Ken Griffey Jr (CF) 1989 - 2010

1 MVP, 4 top 5 MVP, 2 top 10 MVP, 3 additional seasons with MVP votes, 13 ASG

83.8, 54.0

Bold: WAR 3, R 1, HR 4, RBI 1, TB 2

OPS+ buckets

180 - 0
160 - 3
140 - 5
120 - 4

 

[Cedrique]

Joe D with the early lead, and winning some precincts that we didn't expect. Maybe my polling is flawed

 

[Clayton]

For me its between Speaker and DiMaggio. Im good with either

 

[calsnowskier]

idk... i may disagree with the results here... but there really is only one player on that list i dont think belongs... so, even though i think the best of this group is Randy Johnson, as long as griffey does not win, i would be ok with it...

I do have pujols over all 3 offensive guys in this runoff... but Joe D and speaker are close enough...

Of these 3 hitters, Speaker is the clear winner. I would love to hear others’ thoughts, though. Afterall, LEARNING is the point of this project.

i will do an analysis of the pitchers in a bit. They are all super close, even though they all bring different strengths to the table. EOD, though, I would be totally OK with any of these pitchers winning here. All over any of the hitters.

 

[calsnowskier]

Joe D with the early lead, and winning some precincts that we didn't expect. Maybe my polling is flawed

I heard from many sources that my poll is flawed…

 

[calsnowskier]

For me it’s between Speaker and DiMaggio. Im good with either

Not considering the pitchers?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

some players i put more into military than others... Joe D is definitely one who you have to say it affected his career...

missing 3 seasons, is tough by itself... but 3 seasons at 28, 29 and 30... DAMN....

 

[Clayton]

Not considering the pitchers?

I have Johnson right behind Pujols who I have right behind Dimaggio

Johnson I think is right ahead of Maddux

Pedro is the top of the next tier

 

[Clayton]

some players i put more into military than others... Joe D is definitely one who you have to say it affected his career...

missing 3 seasons, is tough by itself... but 3 seasons at 28, 29 and 30... DAMN....

If you want to play the list backwards, I think Cobb said Musial is the best hitter he ever saw and Musial said DiMaggio is the best hitter he ever saw

 

[calsnowskier]

I have Johnson right behind Pujols who I have right behind Dimaggio

Johnson I think is right ahead of Maddux

Pedro is the top of the next tier

I don’t agree, but I respect you have thought about it and weighed it.

 

[calsnowskier]

If you want to play the list backwards, I think Cobb said Musial is the best hitter he ever saw and Musial said DiMaggio is the best hitter he ever saw

Cobb never saw Cobb hit. Musial never saw Cobb or Musial hit.

 

[Clayton]

Cobb never saw Cobb hit. Musial never saw Cobb or Musial hit.

Oh I put no merit in what the players say. Its just funny

 

[calsnowskier]

some players i put more into military than others... Joe D is definitely one who you have to say it affected his career...

missing 3 seasons, is tough by itself... but 3 seasons at 28, 29 and 30... DAMN....

I think Speakers numbers (what he did) are better than DiMaggio’s (what he did), though. Looking at WWII or COVID goes into the calculus, sure, but only as a SUPER CLOSE tie breaker. IMHO, Speaker and DiMaggio are not THAT close.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Of these 3 hitters, Speaker is the clear winner. I would love to hear others’ thoughts, though. Afterall, LEARNING is the point of this project.

i will do an analysis of the pitchers in a bit. They are all super close, even though they all bring different strengths to the table. EOD, though, I would be totally OK with any of these pitchers winning here. All over any of the hitters.

for me, it is Joe D... quick reminder that i am biased against pre 1920s most, because it is very hard to identify what type of player he is...

But i really want Johnson to win this just so Trout and Pujols have another chance to beat these 3... or at least be in a runoff with them...

 

[Clayton]

I think Speakers numbers (what he did) are better than DiMaggio’s (what he did), though. Looking at WWII or COVID goes into the calculus, sure, but only as a SUPER CLOSE tie breaker. IMHO, Speaker and DiMaggio are not THAT close.

Yeah, Speaker is in Clemens tier which is above the other players imo.

When you said you disagreed with me earlier, which was the biggest disagreement?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I think Speakers numbers (what he did) are better than DiMaggio’s (what he did), though. Looking at WWII or COVID goes into the calculus, sure, but only as a SUPER CLOSE tie breaker. IMHO, Speaker and DiMaggio are not THAT close.

sure, but what do you do when player A has longevity, and player B was robbed of longevity for valid non injury reasons??