POLL Top 10 poll #12: #12 player in history - Runoff

[LHG]

It looks like he is going 12-15. In terms of Yankees, I have DiMaggio ahead of him and I'm a bit surprised at his lack of traction.

He has been mentioned but yes, I am a bit surprised as well but I think it is too soon for DiMaggio as well. There have been quite a few names that have been mentioned in these polls that I'd vote higher than Henderson. Among them are:
Cy Young
Tris Speaker
Honus Wagner
Roger Clemens
Mike Trout
Lefty Grove
Christy Matthewson
Mike Schmidt
Eddie Collins
Alex Rodriguez
Mel Ott
Frank Robinson
Jimmie Foxx
Joe DiMaggio
Tom Seaver
Albert Pujols
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Greg Maddux

 

[calsnowskier]

This one is insanely close.

I suspect the Clemens crowd is probably its own crowd, and won’t pick up much support from the eliminated players here. So that, imho, means that this likely between Henderson, Schmidt and Wagner.

Wagner has the numbers, pretty much without contention. But he played in an era that is already pretty well represented in this poll.

Schmidt is the clear bopper of the 3, and he played in a somewhat “dead ball” era of the 70s and 80s. He is the hands down best all time player at his position.

Henderson is the undisputed king of speed and his kingdom is the basepaths. His bat is very good (HOF on its own), but it doesn’t compare to the other two. Comparatively, his D is a negative in this debate.

 

[Clayton]

He has been mentioned but yes, I am a bit surprised as well but I think it is too soon for DiMaggio as well. There have been quite a few names that have been mentioned in these polls that I'd vote higher than Henderson. Among them are:
Cy Young
Tris Speaker
Honus Wagner
Roger Clemens
Mike Trout
Lefty Grove
Christy Matthewson
Mike Schmidt
Eddie Collins
Alex Rodriguez
Mel Ott
Frank Robinson
Jimmie Foxx
Joe DiMaggio
Tom Seaver
Albert Pujols
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Greg Maddux

I wont agree with the entire list but certainly many of them. I guess I have Honus Wagner's Biography. I could read that maybe get some better insight on where I think he stacks up.

Schmidt in particular is a better defensive player than most on the list with a comparable offensive profile. Speaker has a top 15 profile imo.

 

[steveringo]

He has been mentioned but yes, I am a bit surprised as well but I think it is too soon for DiMaggio as well. There have been quite a few names that have been mentioned in these polls that I'd vote higher than Henderson. Among them are:
Cy Young
Tris Speaker
Honus Wagner
Roger Clemens
Mike Trout
Lefty Grove
Christy Matthewson
Mike Schmidt
Eddie Collins
Alex Rodriguez
Mel Ott
Frank Robinson
Jimmie Foxx
Joe DiMaggio
Tom Seaver
Albert Pujols
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Greg Maddux

100%.

I am stiff baffled that Rickey is even mentioned yet. Great, great player, but there are many ahead of him...

 

[steveringo]

I would wonder what Randy Johnsons stats would be if he took steroids. That would be scary.

Who says he didn’t? Even skinny people were juicing back then...

 

[chappee11]

Cal Ripken > Honus

Clemens winning this is just gross.

Totally agree. Clemens doesn’t deserve to be this high. Ironically, I don’t think Rickey Henderson deserves to be this high, either.

 

[chappee11]

100%.

I am stiff baffled that Rickey is even mentioned yet. Great, great player, but there are many ahead of him...

This poll is essentially saying that Rickey is the second best position player most of us have ever seen(I’m not sure if anyone on here is old enough to remember watching Aaron or Mays). It just doesn’t sound right. I’d rather have Trout, ARod, Griffey, Pujols, Thomas(?), Schmidt & probably a few others if I really thought more about it.

Rickey only had 3 top-5 MVP finishes(winning once) & only 6 times did he finish in the top
10. Compare that to a guy like Frank Robinson(who hasn’t even been mentioned here) who had 6 top-5 MVP finishes(winning 2) & 10 top-10 finishes. Something just seems amiss.

 

[msgkings322]

This poll is essentially saying that Rickey is the second best position player most of us have ever seen(I’m not sure if anyone on here is old enough to remember watching Aaron or Mays). It just doesn’t sound right. I’d rather have Trout, ARod, Griffey, Pujols, Thomas(?), Schmidt & probably a few others if I really thought more about it.

Rickey only had 3 top-5 MVP finishes(winning once) & only 6 times did he finish in the top
10. Compare that to a guy like Frank Robinson(who hasn’t even been mentioned here) who had 6 top-5 MVP finishes(winning 2) & 10 top-10 finishes. Something just seems amiss.

I love Rickey and will start voting for him in the late teens, which still maybe overvalues him a little. He's got intangibles lol

Also his recent passing is probably a factor.

Again, this is the fun part. We're all going to value different things and now we are past the top of the top god level names it will be more arguing.