tOfficial "Tom Brady & the New England Patriots" Superthread

[FlyerFinFan]

I think you have it backwards. Pats fans have long moved on over spygate. It's the other fans that won't let it go and constantly bring it up..just like you have. Congrats on dispelling your own comments.

Wrong I have only responded to ignorant comments but I'm not going to bother anymore it's not worth my time....I'd rather talk football today not ten years ago.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

I'm the most skeptical of the Bills although if they beat the Dolphins I'll certainly pay more attention.

Even though the Patriots have dominated the AFC East, some years have been more difficult than others. What's helped them is that the Jet's, Dolphins and even Bills always seem to beat each other up and let the Patriots in. One of those three has to avoid that this year if they want to dislodge the Patriots.

Yes agreed the team that runs their divisional games usually ends up on top. That’s why this is an important game for the Fins it allows them to say hey we're serious contenders now otherwise it will be a dog fight with the bills all year. Either way it still may be...

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about.

I guess pats fans have had a lot of success of late and for the most part they've become arrogant. This rubs other fans the wrong way. I don't even think you guys know that you're doing it half the time....

 

[TxHeat]

It's only week 2 but I haven't seen this posted about the Vikings in a long while. I'm excited for this game because I think the Vikings are much improved and its a good measuring stick for Minnesota but it's still Tom Brady and its still the Patriots were playing. They seem to always bounce back from a loss well.

You have good coaches. Makes a shitload of difference.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

On record I picked the pats to be right in the mix at the end but I see it being a little bit more of a battle this year. The division looks a lot better as well. They do look a little old and tired that's something I haven't seen in a while...

 

[TxHeat]

Wrong I have only responded to ignorant comments but I'm not going to bother anymore it's not worth my time....I'd rather talk football today not ten years ago.

but yet YOU keep bringing it up. Humor all us Pats fans and show us one post where a Pats fan started a discussion bringing up spygate. Just one!!

 

[FlyerFinFan]

but yet YOU keep bringing it up. Humor all us Pats fans and show us one post where a Pats fan started a discussion bringing up spygate. Just one!!

Seriously? Just look at the latest convo when it was brought up during training camp. A player brought it up not anyone on this board and pat fans went into full denial. I and others only responded to the BS. They could have easily let it go but nope the talk was all about ten year dynasty blah blah blah....when you've won nothing for ten years! I've only corrected ignorant posters but I'll stop unless you continue to question me I'll obviously stand up for myself and the others. We also have quite a few pats posters frequent the Fins board and spew nonsense. If they talk football that's fine but this is usually not the case but I laugh it off as its humorous....

 

[PatsFan2003]

It's only week 2 but I haven't seen this posted about the Vikings in a long while. I'm excited for this game because I think the Vikings are much improved and its a good measuring stick for Minnesota but it's still Tom Brady and its still the Patriots were playing. They seem to always bounce back from a loss well.

Yep, Definitely a big game for both teams... And this is with Matt "Mr Average" Cassel as QB and Teddy Bridgewater watching on the sidelines.

 

[PatsFan2003]

I guess pats fans have had a lot of success of late and for the most part they've become arrogant. This rubs other fans the wrong way. I don't even think you guys know that you're doing it half the time....

I don't think it's unusual for fan bases of successful teams to get arrogant. (See Seahawks, Seattle) It's part of the fun.

 

[AshyLarry]

There was a time where the Patriots were trying to promote the "Patriot Way" as being on some higher moral plane but that has loong since been dropped even before Aaron Hernandez so I think you're behind the times on that one. Now they seem to talk about the "Patriot way" as a team over individual mentality but they aren't the only team that promotes that.

I'm going to go with the "Glass House" rule of morality. It's easy to be found hypocritical when you're in the public eye. Yeah he's human.

On a side note. I was a juror on a trial when another millionaire sued Kraft for something like fraud of breach on contract (I forget) to recoup 9 million dollars. It was real interesting to see Kraft being grilled by an experienced lawyer. Probably everybody but especially millionaires have a hard time being out of control and unable to control the narrative which is what experienced lawyers don't let you do. Both millionaires had a real hard time with that. It was interesting.

I'm not even saying the guy is necessarily a bad guy for doing that stuff. But don't promote yourself (and it's not just him promoting himself it's the NFL and ESPN as well) as some fucking saint while he continues to look like a clown. Don't tell everyone how much you miss your wife and go banging someone 39 years younger than you less than a year later. Don't tell everyone how bad domestic violence is, and then hang out with woman beaters. Don't tell everyone about the "Patriot Way" then draft people with long histories of violence. Don't back everything your pal Goodell does to get ignorant people that think your a saint to follow suit.

It's scummy. Like I said I would have no problem if he wasn't trying to promote this golden boy demeanor. We aren't buying it anymore Mr. Kraft you can stop the shenanigans.

 

[PatsFan2003]

I'm not even saying the guy is necessarily a bad guy for doing that stuff. But don't promote yourself (and it's not just him promoting himself it's the NFL and ESPN as well) as some fucking saint while he continues to look like a clown. Don't tell everyone how much you miss your wife and go banging someone 39 years younger than you less than a year later. Don't tell everyone how bad domestic violence is, and then hang out with woman beaters. Don't tell everyone about the "Patriot Way" then draft people with long histories of violence. Don't back everything your pal Goodell does to get ignorant people that think your a saint to follow suit.

It's scummy. Like I said I would have no problem if he wasn't trying to promote this golden boy demeanor. We aren't buying it anymore Mr. Kraft you can stop the shenanigans.

Ok. Kraft made some mistakes this week. Maybe he should have pulled a Bellichick and say something vague and non-committal. Maybe another owner should be the representative of NFL owners to the press for a while. When all is said and done I think he'll still be considered a good owner.

 

[AshyLarry]

Ok. Kraft made some mistakes this week. Maybe he should have pulled a Bellichick and say something vague and non-committal. Maybe another owner should be the representative of NFL owners to the press for a while. When all is said and done I think he'll still be considered a good owner.

Like I said earlier. Good owner, and good person are two different things. He's an excellent owner. There's no denying that. I'm just proving that this guy has been a little bit of a hypocrite/jackass, and what he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Everything he says is just for PR for the NFL. Nothing more IMO, and people should never let what Robert Kraft thinks sway their opinion.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

It's not hard to see when a guy puts a patch on his team for a complete PR stunt and is meanwhile banging someone half his age while suing his sun for his inheritance that his mom left him.

You're right. Maybe he was really in love with her, but his actions afterwards have shown questionable morals AT BEST. What kind of multi billionaire sues his son for his inheritance.

Also have you ever known someone to lose a wife? Like how long were they married? Then less than a year he's banging some 39 year old.

I'm sure that's what Myra wanted. Her husband to start banging people half his age, and rob his kids of the inheritance she left them. What a good guy. I'm sure he's the true beacon of morality. Hell he got the NFL a lot of money for a long time so he must be a good guy

I'm not sure anyone has ever successfully sued the sun. I know a lot of stars have been sued but not the sun yet.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Haha ya all of you...ok well maybe 90%! Most of your fan base acts entitled like a silver spooned spoiled rich brat. There's simply no need for it. Once you chat with most they calm down and are sensible but then in comes a new wave of idiots....it does get tiresome.

FFF you are way off base maybe 10% name 5 on here

 

[Lemon Harang Pie]

It's kind of funny how serious people are taking the Ray Rice situation but kind of shrugging their shoulders over other guys in similar situations.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Only if Pats fans think he is infallible. Despite people like hammer down suggesting Pats fans literally all think the same thing. It's hardly the truth.

I don't much care about the owner of any of my favorite teams unless they don't care at all about winning. Victor Kiam didn't care. Kraft not only cared about winning. He cared about keeping the team here.

Shocker Pats fan love him for that, huh?

Good thing you might be too young to remember the Sullivans, some of the worst owners, shitty ass field in Schaefer and father and son always fought. Thats when Pats had the 1-15 and 2-14 seasons annually

 

[TxHeat]

Ok. Kraft made some mistakes this week. Maybe he should have pulled a Bellichick and say something vague and non-committal. Maybe another owner should be the representative of NFL owners to the press for a while. When all is said and done I think he'll still be considered a good owner.

Like Jerry Jones

 

[TxHeat]

Good thing you might be too young to remember the Sullivans, some of the worst owners, shitty ass field in Schaefer and father and son always fought. Thats when Pats had the 1-15 and 2-14 seasons annually

Weren't they only around during the old 14 game schedules, so not as bad. 1-13 and 2-12.

 

[AshyLarry]

I'm not sure anyone has ever successfully sued the sun. I know a lot of stars have been sued but not the sun yet.

 

[sonnyblack65]

I'm not even saying the guy is necessarily a bad guy for doing that stuff. But don't promote yourself (and it's not just him promoting himself it's the NFL and ESPN as well) as some fucking saint while he continues to look like a clown. Don't tell everyone how much you miss your wife and go banging someone 39 years younger than you less than a year later. Don't tell everyone how bad domestic violence is, and then hang out with woman beaters. Don't tell everyone about the "Patriot Way" then draft people with long histories of violence. Don't back everything your pal Goodell does to get ignorant people that think your a saint to follow suit.

It's scummy. Like I said I would have no problem if he wasn't trying to promote this golden boy demeanor. We aren't buying it anymore Mr. Kraft you can stop the shenanigans.

Just curious how he promotes himself? When the players had a lawsuit going, Kraft helped with the negotiations is all. This guy is a relatively new owner ( 20 years) compared to Rooneys, Browns, Davis's etc) and some bashers post like he thinks he invented football, full blow retarded statements. When they drafted Christian Peters from Nebraska, and he had some charges come to the table, he was dropped before preseason. He obviously knew Hernandez had some issues and took a chance on a first round pick in 4th round, but didnt think the guy was gonna kill people