tofficial Cavs thread

[Shanemansj13]

Yup 4 years 44 million. He's worth it if playing

Cavs can't afford that and he is a starter for a lot of teams anyway.

 

[Battlelyon]

So who do we get eventually, Okafor and or Ray Allen? Or neither?

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think Ray comes wouldn't be surprised if Okafor came. Haven't checked any rumors lately. I expect Ray to come though.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

While that may be true- i think KYrie and Love fit better-
as we saw with Wade- it was like dueling banjos- it was- i take this possession, you take the next---- with Kyrie- that should be different for a few reasons ithink
A. Kyrie can shoot from the outside- Wade's BEST 3 pt shooting year was 31%- Kyrie-esp. with the spacing LBJ brings should be AT least around 38- and prob more like 40+- that floor spacing is key with LeBron
B. Kyrie is PG- and can make plays- last year Kyrie had a lot more assists AND less turnovers then Wade- LeBron can play off the ball and expect to find the ball on the mark--- if Kyrie had teammates that could shot he would have had probably about somewhere around 7-7.5 APG instead of low 6's....

and as for Love- there might not be a better fit in the league- he is similar to CB but just better- Bosh immidiately moved outside which moved hisrebounds down- Love lived outside for the Twolves last yeara nd still got 12.5 rebounds per game- that is crazy when u think about it- plus Loves outlet passing will spring fastbreaks for the best fastbreak player in the league (LBJ) instead of the complete dearth of fastbreak playmaking on the Heat last year, absent Bron of course.
and the Cavs should have a better 4,5, 6, 7, 8. 9 10- ---they are STILL trying to acquire a center- they tried Mozgov with the Jazz expiring Ks they got plus a pick- and are still trying to get another center ----but- just by what they have (say they get one out of marion and allen - when in reality they might get both
4. Varejao, 5. Waiters, 6. Thompson, 7. Miller, 8. Marion 9. Haywood 10. Delledova---- gotta admit thats a shit-ton better than anything Miami put out any of those years at the 4-10 spots

and lastly

the Cavs werent a bad defensive team last year----- they were 15th in the league in points allowed- and 12th in opposing field goal percentage----- and that was with playing a ton of minutes to really young guys like Bennett, Delledova, and also scrub ass Bynum-------

add LBJ to the 15th ranked scoring defense and 12th ranked opposing shooting percentage defense- and you have what should be a team right on the border of a top 10 defense.....especially with Varejao playing more minutes (i mean- last year he got screwed developing a blood clot after having a procedure where he shouldve been out 4-6 weeks and made it months), and Marion- and Delledova- a very solid defender at the guard position with a year experience under his belt

Wiggy nailed it

 

[bksballer89]

The first 2 pages of this thread crack me up

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

i think you absolutely can if you have the best offense the league has seen in a decade or two

and have an All-NBA 1st team defender in LeBron-

basically-if LeBron has a good and motivated year and keys the defense like he did last time in Cleveland- and everyone buys in- the defense will be good

it comes down to how motivated LeBron is


and in the playoffs- can you get a stop when you need one- and can you get a bucket when you need one-

obviously the Cavs have at LEAST 2 guys in Irving and LeBron that can get a bucket at will when you need them-

Kyrie HAS the most game winners in the leaguesince he came into the league because you cant play him to drive- and you cant play him to shoot- because he can do both great- and he is clutch as shit-

LeBron is LeBron

as i said - who knows with Love- i havent watched him enoughto know if he can make that big shot at the end consistently



as for getting that stop

We know that LeBron can get that stop when he needs it- and that the Cavs defense shoudl be improved from last fairly significantly

Thompson should get similar minutes- Varejao should be slightly reduced- and Love will get Hawes and Zeller minutes- which might actually be a net GAIN defensively since Hawes is beyond atricious defensively



and i still have not heard one person acknolwedge that love and kyrie - just by virtue of not expending all their energy on offense should be better on defense this year- which is absolutely true


plus delledova and marion should be the equiavelnt of Jones and Miller- jones and miller are your ace shooters off the bench- while delle and marion should be your defenders

The first 2 pages of this thread crack me up

 

[bksballer89]

there is no way Bosh is a 20 and 10 guy again- that ship has sailed- he doesnt have the will power or the stomach for it

He's not a 10 rebound guy but he can definitely avg 20-22 PPG

I can somewhat agree with this....but getting older and not having the opposing defense nearly spread out as it was over the last 4yrs, it might not be as easy for Chris to do as it sounds.

Not a 10 rebound guy but he is obviously a 20 PPG scorer still. He is currently at 21 & 8 on 48% shooting

 

[bksballer89]

Some Cavs individual & team numbers (excluding Lebron because he's doing what everyone expected)

Cavs are avg 101.5 PPG- Ranked 15th in the league
Cavs are shooting 45%- Ranked 15th in the league
Cavs are 18th in 3 point%.
Cavs are giving up over 99 PPG- 15th in the league
Cavs are allowing teams to shoot 47%- Only 4 teams allow their opponents to shoot a higher percent.
Cavs are ranked 18th in opp 3 point%

They were hyped up as some great rebounding team but are only ranked 21st in the league with 41 rebounds per game

 

[Hambombs]

Trojan nailed it and pretty much my thoughts

"The fact that the Heats big 3 was much better defensively while being close to equal offensively alone says that the Cavs have vulnerabilities that may very well cost them title. "

 

[bksballer89]

The Cavs bench isn't nearly as good as Wiggy made it seem.

The Cavs rebounding is nearly as bad as the Heat and this with actual good rebounders on that team ( Love, Tristan, Lebron, & Andy before he got hurt)

 

[Hambombs]

You're delusional if you think this is the best offense the NBA will see in the last decade or 2.

Only 5th. Spot on

 

[bksballer89]

Love has proven that he is the true #2 option.

Kyrie has proven that he's overrated

Cavs 1-4 without Lebron

 

[Hambombs]

Love has proven that he is the true #2 option.

Kyrie has proven that he's overrated

Cavs 1-4 without Lebron

Kyrie has always been overrated. lol

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Love has proven that he is the true #2 option.

Kyrie has proven that he's overrated

Cavs 1-4 without Lebron

Maybe a true #2 scoring option, but his D is atrocious.
He put up 30/10, but Cavs were our scored by 10 during his minutes.
His performance today sums up his career in Minnesota.

 

[gordontrue]

The Cavs are very much still a big part of the Eastern Conference picture.

Atlanta, Washington, and Chicago all rank in the bottom 5 in SOS so far.

Cleveland is one of the very few Eastern teams with an SOS > .500.


That is gonna flip in the 2nd half of the season.

 

[bksballer89]

The Cavs are very much still a big part of the Eastern Conference picture.

Atlanta, Washington, and Chicago all rank in the bottom 5 in SOS so far.

Cleveland is one of the very few Eastern teams with an SOS > .500.


That is gonna flip in the 2nd half of the season.

Cleveland has played the fewest games of the 5 teams vs the west excluding Atlanta. Toronto already finish half of their games vs the west. Cleveland still got 20 more games left against the west

 

[Heatles84]

Looks like Waiters is getting traded. This should be interesting.

 

[Heatles84]

 

[Heatles84]

LOL @Cavs

 

[Hambombs]

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If okc trades Jackson and just gets waiters. They would definetly get much weaker