Time to Put Barry Bonds in the HOF

[msgkings322]

Were steroids banned before notorious abusers started using: Yes(1991)
Did Bonds used steroids: Yes
Did Bonds admit to using: Yes(unknowingly)
Did Bonds' on field performance increase because of his PED use: Yes
Should Bonds be in the HoF: Yes, right next to others of his ilk in the cheaters wing.

FIrst statement is false

 

[The Derski]

Yes roids is WAY less of a thing than gambling. Gamblings threatens the very existence of competition in any sport.

At about the same risk as you are at getting struck by lightning.

 

[msgkings322]

So it is okay to enshrine steroid abusers and wife beaters but not gamblers?

YEP. Gambling can literally kill an entire sport. Steroids not even close, especially when everyone was using. Clemens should get in too.

Not sure jerks can be banned for jerky behavior really, how would that work? Also, Ty Cobb would have a word with you.

 

[msgkings322]

At about the same risk as you are at getting struck by lightning.

WTF?

If gamblers get a hold of players, the game is totally fucked (1919 World Series ring a bell?)

 

[msgkings322]

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Exactly. So let in the greats that also used like Bonds and Clemens.

Mays and Aaron are in there and they popped greenies like TicTacs

 

[msgkings322]

He signed that under duress.

Yeah, the duress being they had plenty of evidence of him gambling on baseball while he was a player including on his own team.

 

[The Derski]

WTF?

If gamblers get a hold of players, the game is totally fucked (1919 World Series ring a bell?)

99.9% of all gambling that takes place has no impact on the product. Of course there is that fraction that does. Thanks for referencing something that happened 100 years ago though.

 

[msgkings322]

99.9% of all gambling that takes place has no impact on the product. Of course there is that fraction that does. Thanks for referencing something that happened 100 years ago though.

Grow up, dummy. That episode shows anyone with a brain the danger of turning a blind eye to gambling. Gambling has to be dealt with harshly. Rose agreed to a lifetime ban. I got no problem with him getting in after he's dead.

 

[The Derski]

Grow up, dummy. That episode shows anyone with a brain the danger of turning a blind eye to gambling. Gambling has to be dealt with harshly. Rose agreed to a lifetime ban. I got no problem with him getting in after he's dead.

That episode also happened nearly a century ago, when it was much harder to regulate.

 

[msgkings322]

That episode also happened nearly a century ago, when it was much harder to regulate.

Exactly....a lifetime ban for Rose after they used modern methods to figure out he gambled more than Jimmy the Greek? That's called regulating.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Yes roids is WAY less of a thing than gambling. Gamblings threatens the very existence of competition in any sport.

Goes on everyday everywhere...sorry to burst your bubble on "pure" sports.

 

[Mondo Jay]

Goes on everyday everywhere...sorry to burst your bubble on "pure" sports.

Oh sure, there have been several instances of players getting banned after Rose got busted. Wait, no there hasn't. Perhaps his fuckup has served as a solid deterrent to other would-be gambling degenerates in the MLB?

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Oh sure, there have been several instances of players getting banned after Rose got busted. Wait, no there hasn't. Perhaps his fuckup has served as a solid deterrent to other would-be gambling degenerates in the MLB?

Shaving points, umpire's strikezones, slowing down a game, fouling a lot at end of games and buying referees are other ways of controlling an outcome...are you sure you have the entire storyline here?

Yeah Barry's fuckup stopped everything.

 

[Mondo Jay]

Shaving points, umpire's strikezones, slowing down a game, fouling a lot at end of games and buying referees are other ways of controlling an outcome...are you sure you have the entire storyline here?

Yeah Barry's fuckup stopped everything.

I am referring specifically to players/managers betting on baseball. The rest isn't equitable.

 

[broncosmitty]

Yes Pete was one heck of a player.

He was no Barry Bonds.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Roids < gambling?

NOT UNTIL the GOAT hitter in the game goes first.

Who is the GOAT hitter?

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Who is the GOAT hitter?

The guy that had 4,256 of em during his career.

Same guy that holds the MLB records for games played (3,562), ABs (14k+), singles (3,215) and outs (10,328)...3 WS rings, 3 batting titles, 1 MVP, 2 GG awards, rookie of the year and 17 All-Star appearances at 5 different positions (2nd, LF, RF, 3B and 1stB)

 

[soxfan1468927]

The guy that had 4,256 of em during his career.

Having more hits does not make you a better hitter.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Having more hits does not make you a better hitter.

Spose you wanted me to say Ted Williams or that guy on San Deigo...sorry.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Spose you wanted me to say Ted Williams or that guy on San Deigo...sorry.

I don't "want" you to say anything. I just laugh at people who claim Pete Rose is the greatest hitter of all time because he has the most hits. If more hits=better hitter than Omar Vizquel is better than Babe Ruth and Johnny Damon is better than Ted Williams.