Time to Put Barry Bonds in the HOF

[Liberal Icon]

Way to take the quote out of context. Vincent is talking about the BALCO/perjury trials, not about MLB's rules.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/21/sports/baseball/21araton.html

But in the context of longtime industrywide denial, and the delicate matter of the government’s sudden involvement, the impact of the crime ultimately became overstated compared to the strategy of carrying on with the cover-up.

“I never thought it should be about punishment,” Vincent said. “What good would that do?”

What are you talking about? What then is his basis for the memo?

 

[GNG]

Roids < gambling?

NOT UNTIL the GOAT hitter in the game goes first.

Yes indeed. Pete has waited a long time.

 

[StanMarsh51]

What are you talking about? What then is his basis for the memo?

His memo has nothing to do with government involvement...the quote you provided is regarding the government involvement.

How do you not understand that?

 

[StanMarsh51]

Yes indeed. Pete has waited a long time.

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He agreed to be banned for life...that's on him.

 

[GNG]

He agreed to be banned for life...that's on him.

So it is okay to enshrine steroid abusers and wife beaters but not gamblers?

 

[StanMarsh51]

So it is okay to enshrine steroid abusers and wife beaters but not gamblers?

If they agree to be banned, then they need to abide by the agreement.

That's the part you don't seem to be understanding - Rose agreed to be banned. He signed his name on a piece of paper saying that he agrees to be banned for life. Nobody put a gun to his head.

 

[GNG]

If they agree to be banned, then they need to abide by the agreement.

That's the part you don't seem to be understanding - Rose agreed to be banned. He signed his name on a piece of paper saying that he agrees to be banned for life. Nobody put a gun to his head.

He signed that under duress.

 

[Liberal Icon]

His memo has nothing to do with government involvement...the quote you provided is regarding the government involvement.

How do you not understand that?

So let me ask you, what did he want his memo to do and which steroids did he list that were on his banned lists aside from the word "Steroids" since even governments own classification of steroids change?

 

[StanMarsh51]

He signed that under duress.

Then he should've sued, given that duress can be used as a defense in any lawsuit.

 

[TheRedPlectrum]

Extra Baggs: Forget the Hall of Fame. It's time for Giants to retire Barry Bonds' number - Giants Extra

 

[GNG]

Then he should've sued, given that duress can be used as a defense in any lawsuit.

Maybe he will.

 

[TheRedPlectrum]

Yes, I cast my Hall of Fame vote for Barry Bonds, along with Dale Murphy, at the top of my ballot - Talking Points

 

[Mondo Jay]

So it is okay to enshrine steroid abusers and wife beaters but not gamblers?

What steroid abusers are in?

 

[Mondo Jay]

What steroid abusers are in?

I mean...besides Ripken and Henderson.

 

[StanMarsh51]

So let me ask you, what did he want his memo to do and which steroids did he list that were on his banned lists aside from the word "Steroids" since even governments own classification of steroids change?

As mentioned in the Mitchell Report excerpt, baseball players have been suspended for other drugs (ie - cocaine). So you don't think that Vincent wanted the authority to suspend players for steroids too, if he added them to the drug policy?

 

[GNG]

What steroid abusers are in?

Reminder: There are already steroids users in the Hall of Fame | HardballTalk

 

[Liberal Icon]

As mentioned in the Mitchell Report excerpt, baseball players have been suspended for other drugs (ie - cocaine). So you don't think that Vincent wanted the authority to suspend players for steroids too, if he added them to the drug policy?

Actually the question is how come his successor Selig kept a blind eye when FBI agent told MLB that steroids use was rampant in 1994 if a memo from the previous commissioner was binding with respect to steroids use? And how many did Faye Vincent punish or ferret out for steroids use during his time as commissioner?

 

[Davis_Mike]

Were steroids banned before notorious abusers started using: Yes(1991)
Did Bonds used steroids: Yes
Did Bonds admit to using: Yes(unknowingly)
Did Bonds' on field performance increase because of his PED use: Yes
Should Bonds be in the HoF: Yes, right next to others of his ilk in the cheaters wing.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Yes, right next to others of his ilk in the cheaters wing.

Be a money-maker for the MLB oligopoly.

 

[msgkings322]

Roids < gambling?

NOT UNTIL the GOAT hitter in the game goes first.

Yes roids is WAY less of a thing than gambling. Gamblings threatens the very existence of competition in any sport.