Time to Put Barry Bonds in the HOF

[BoiseMike19]

THATS a start, baby steps are given.

It is how all good things start. Had no idea he had any interest outside of politics and ice skating.

 

[calsnowskier]

Have you seen that guys head?

Where have I said he didn't use?

Please quote that post for me please.

 

[BoiseMike19]

Where have I said he didn't use?

Please quote that post for me please.

You have not, just pointing out the obvious. Like I said in my original post, got no problem with Bonds, it just opens up a big can of worms.

 

[Liberal Icon]

If it is such a racial thing, why hasn't the media gone after Aaron and his "Greenie" use? Why have they essentially blackballed Bagwell and Clemens? Why did they not out Puckett as the DB he was while he was alive?

Because they are sanctimonious hypocrites. Not racists. Bonds disliked the media because he knew they didn't care about him, so he clammed up. The media are self-serving assholes, so they have decided to bury Bonds because he basically called them out.

Simple as that.

I brought any comparison to OJ Simpson by fans as prejudicial since there is no scenario you will compre Clemens, McGwire etal to OJ Simpson. As white people our visceral hatred for what OJ did translates to an easy comparison to some people we find as culprits with the same skin color.

I showed you how race might not be a dominant factor in the sports writers special opprobrium on Bonds, it is still a factor especially even when Bonds thumbing his nose at the sportswriters might be the dominant one. Otherwise explain to me how writers dislike of Bonds is only a function of his attitude to them when McGwire had the same attitude to the same writers but had a pass when McGwire was chasing the home run records?

 

[whywork2]

Roids < gambling?

NOT UNTIL the GOAT hitter in the game goes first.

they both should be in, I'm not a big fan of Bonds but I also realize just how good a player he was before his balls shrunk and his cranium blew up and as far as Pete Rose goes, put Pete in with an asterisk or close the fucking place. If Charlie Hustle doesn't have a place there then just what kind of dog and pony show is it?

 

[Liberal Icon]

Have you seen that guys head?

That is actually a ridiculous and spurious "evidence" claimed as use of steroids by Bonds. Now, if that were the sane how come we don't see A-Rod, Jason Giambi, Sheffield et al have their heads explode since they have all admitted steroids use? If steroids use increases the size of the user's head, how come all these people do not have the same head size as Bonds? I mean come on.

 

[BoiseMike19]

Quantity? Just throwin' it out there.

 

[calsnowskier]

they both should be in, I'm not a big fan of Bonds but I also realize just how good a player he was before his balls shrunk and his cranium blew up and as far as Pete Rose goes, put Pete in with an asterisk or close the fucking place. If Charlie Hustle doesn't have a place there then just what kind of dog and pony show is it?

Once Jackson gets in, then we can have the Rose discussion.

After Rose finishes his self-accepted sentence, that is...

 

[StanMarsh51]

I used quotes because I do not conceded that fact. A memo does not make a rule. Especially a rule to be placed on par with gambling.

From the Mitchell Report, fwiw:

Many have asserted that steroids and other performance enhancing substances were not banned in Major League Baseball before the 2002 Basic Agreement. This is not accurate. Beginning in 1971 and continuing today, Major League Baseball’s drug policy has prohibited the use of any prescription medication without a valid prescription.7 By implication, this prohibition applied to steroids even before 1991, when Commissioner Fay Vincent first expressly included steroids in baseball’s drug policy. Steroids have been listed as a prohibited substance under the Major League Baseball drug policy since then, although no player was disciplined for steroid use before the prohibition was added to the collective bargaining agreement in 2002.

It is also inaccurate to assert, as some have, that baseball’s drug policy was not binding on players before it was added to the collective bargaining agreement. Many players were suspended for drug offenses before 2002, even though none of those suspensions related to the use of steroids or other performance enhancing substances. Some suspensions were reduced in grievance arbitrations brought by the Players Association, but no arbitrator ever has questioned the authority of the Commissioner to discipline players for “just cause” based on their possession, use, or distribution of prohibited drugs.

 

[whywork2]

That is actually a ridiculous and spurious "evidence" claimed as use of steroids by Bonds. Now, if that were the sane how come we don't see A-Rod, Jason Giambi, Sheffield et al have their heads explode since they have all admitted steroids use? If steroids use increases the size of the user's head, how come all these people do not have the same head size as Bonds? I mean come on.

you have to admit Sammy Sosa had one large melon. I am with you though that Bonds should be in no matter what. His career before the whole steroids era was something to behold.

 

[Liberal Icon]

It is how all good things start. Had no idea he had any interest outside of politics and ice skating.

That is because that is how our politics works. Starts with stereotyping and blinds us to anything different from our own prejudiced positions.

 

[whywork2]

Once Jackson gets in, then we can have the Rose discussion.

After Rose finishes his self-accepted sentence, that is...

are you talking Shoeless Joe? Yes, I am with ya.

 

[Bamabino]

Fuck Barry Bonds. He was nothing without roids. .191. BA, 1 HR, 3 RBI postseason with Pittsburgh(68AB).

 

[BoiseMike19]

That is because that is how our politics works. Starts with stereotyping and blinds us to anything different from our own prejudiced positions.

Still just proud and giving a to the last post as well. Something is going on in San Fran. Are all hippie libs testies dropping, or is this a area specific thing? . Regardless, you go girl!

 

[Liberal Icon]

From the Mitchell Report, fwiw:

Many have asserted that steroids and other performance enhancing substances were not banned in Major League Baseball before the 2002 Basic Agreement. This is not accurate. Beginning in 1971 and continuing today, Major League Baseball’s drug policy has prohibited the use of any prescription medication without a valid prescription.7 By implication, this prohibition applied to steroids even before 1991, when Commissioner Fay Vincent first expressly included steroids in baseball’s drug policy. Steroids have been listed as a prohibited substance under the Major League Baseball drug policy since then, although no player was disciplined for steroid use before the prohibition was added to the collective bargaining agreement in 2002.

It is also inaccurate to assert, as some have, that baseball’s drug policy was not binding on players before it was added to the collective bargaining agreement. Many players were suspended for drug offenses before 2002, even though none of those suspensions related to the use of steroids or other performance enhancing substances. Some suspensions were reduced in grievance arbitrations brought by the Players Association, but no arbitrator ever has questioned the authority of the Commissioner to discipline players for “just cause” based on their possession, use, or distribution of prohibited drugs.

Oh, The Mitchel Report. How come Faye Vincent said it was not meant as a punishment if as the writers say it was a banned substance that is cheating and bring the game into disrepute? And why would Selig bring them back as having clean slate if by their performance they would not be inducted into HOF?

Bud Selig says A-Rod will have a clean slate once his suspension is over | HardballTalk

 

[Liberal Icon]

Fuck Barry Bonds. He was nothing without roids. .191. BA, 1 HR, 3 RBI postseason with Pittsburgh(68AB).

What about regular season? And what happened in San Francisco? Jealous that much?

 

[Liberal Icon]

Still just proud and giving a to the last post as well. Something is going on in San Fran. Are all hippie libs testies dropping, or is this a area specific thing? . Regardless, you go girl!

I am also proud of you, girl. Go Go Girl!

 

[Liberal Icon]

From the Mitchell Report, fwiw:

Many have asserted that steroids and other performance enhancing substances were not banned in Major League Baseball before the 2002 Basic Agreement. This is not accurate. Beginning in 1971 and continuing today, Major League Baseball’s drug policy has prohibited the use of any prescription medication without a valid prescription.7 By implication, this prohibition applied to steroids even before 1991, when Commissioner Fay Vincent first expressly included steroids in baseball’s drug policy. Steroids have been listed as a prohibited substance under the Major League Baseball drug policy since then, although no player was disciplined for steroid use before the prohibition was added to the collective bargaining agreement in 2002.

It is also inaccurate to assert, as some have, that baseball’s drug policy was not binding on players before it was added to the collective bargaining agreement. Many players were suspended for drug offenses before 2002, even though none of those suspensions related to the use of steroids or other performance enhancing substances. Some suspensions were reduced in grievance arbitrations brought by the Players Association, but no arbitrator ever has questioned the authority of the Commissioner to discipline players for “just cause” based on their possession, use, or distribution of prohibited drugs.

Here is Faye Vincent in 2006; "Vincent said of Bonds in 2006, adding: “I never thought it should be about punishment. What good would that do?”

 

[StanMarsh51]

Here is Faye Vincent in 2006; "Vincent said of Bonds in 2006, adding: “I never thought it should be about punishment. What good would that do?”

Way to take the quote out of context. Vincent is talking about the BALCO/perjury trials, not about MLB's rules.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/21/sports/baseball/21araton.html

But in the context of longtime industrywide denial, and the delicate matter of the government’s sudden involvement, the impact of the crime ultimately became overstated compared to the strategy of carrying on with the cover-up.

“I never thought it should be about punishment,” Vincent said. “What good would that do?”

 

[GNG]

Best player I've ever seen.

Prolly won't ever see him in the Hall though. Which is silly, but it doesn't change the fact he's the best player I've ever seen.

Yes Pete was one heck of a player.