Thoughts on the Michigan sign stealing allegations?

[PIBuckeye]

 

[PIBuckeye]

 

[Wolvie]

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That would be insane, if true.

 

[cwerph]

as said on the other site the most logical thought process is the FBI came across this info and handed it to the NCAA

This Joost character has a pretty good track record on all things Michigan.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

This Joost character has a pretty good track record on all things Michigan.


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there ya go

 

[Craig24]

I don’t get the outrage, it’s scouting. Now if someone hacks into the headsets then ok.

An illegal form of scouting.
Kind of like saying in response to pass interference - "I don't get the outrage, it's defense." An illegal form of defense.

 

[PIBuckeye]

So many times when a program does something illegal or unethical and gets busted, yes it seems unfair to the players to discipline the team.
I’m not so sure tha this is the case here.
Don’t tell me the players didn’t know the coaches had the signs from the other team. Because many times they d be in a coverage defense that made no sense but turned out to be the perfect coverage for the play that was being executed

 

[All-Star Benchwarmer]

I’m not so sure tha this is the case here.
Don’t tell me the players didn’t know the coaches had the signs from the other team.

You can see it in the tOSU vs. UM video posted on the last page. There were UM players standing behind coaches that were signaling the play to the defense.

At the least, UM should have a whole new coaching staff next year.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

what i thought was nothing is turning into something.

 

[fredmccallyRTR]

There was a Michigan fan in line behind me at the grocery store yesterday, I changed my pin number after I checked out.

 

[KingKoolKat75]

This will end up being the biggest cheating scandal in sports history. Hairbaugh is such an Ahole that it looks looks like a Michigan booster turned him in to the NCAA. Also there was a gambling scheme going on so some people might be going to prison.

 

[elguapo]

This will end up being the biggest cheating scandal in sports history. Hairbaugh is such an Ahole that it looks looks like a Michigan booster turned him in to the NCAA. Also there was a gambling scheme going on so some people might be going to prison.

 

[jwolt92]

One would think. Wasn't the FBI also just on the UM campus regarding improper access of Michigan's computers? Could that possibly be related?? This is such a bizarre (and stupid) story. In a world where every single game is televised and recorded 10x over, the rule is that you can't have a staff member attend the game and record it themselves?

Obviously, teams are going to scout future opponents, and obviously this includes viewing their tape. It is a well-established practice to steal signs at the game, but somehow you have to pretend you don't see how an opponent does their signage in their past games. It's all insane to me.

Have you ever watched a game? Do you see the signs every single play? I see them once every couple of plays and it's definitely not always the last sign given. So obviously having some douche bag who has a 500+ page manifesto on how he's going to take over the Michigan football team sending little minions to games to record the signs every play is a huge fucking advantage.

And apparently you don't know how teams scout future opponents. It's tape sent by the OPPONENT. So you don't think they're placing the cameras to hide the signals? God Michigan fans have their heads buried so fucking far into the sand. If what they are being accused of doing was actually happening, it's fucking cheating. If you want to use the "everybody does it" excuse, then get better at cheating and try again.

Regardless, it's going to take a minimum of 365 days to really see any results of this because the NCAA moves at the pace of a paralyzed snail in regards to any punishments. And that's if the school and the NCAA agree on the punishment.

 

[Wolvie]

Have you ever watched a game? Do you see the signs every single play? I see them once every couple of plays and it's definitely not always the last sign given. So obviously having some douche bag who has a 500+ page manifesto on how he's going to take over the Michigan football team sending little minions to games to record the signs every play is a huge fucking advantage.

And apparently you don't know how teams scout future opponents. It's tape sent by the OPPONENT. So you don't think they're placing the cameras to hide the signals? God Michigan fans have their heads buried so fucking far into the sand. If what they are being accused of doing was actually happening, it's fucking cheating. If you want to use the "everybody does it" excuse, then get better at cheating and try again.

Regardless, it's going to take a minimum of 365 days to really see any results of this because the NCAA moves at the pace of a paralyzed snail in regards to any punishments. And that's if the school and the NCAA agree on the punishment.

I had no idea this was how things were done. Mind blown.

 

[KingKoolKat75]

All this depends if this " inside info" is true.

 

[HuskerOC]

Have you ever watched a game? Do you see the signs every single play? I see them once every couple of plays and it's definitely not always the last sign given. So obviously having some douche bag who has a 500+ page manifesto on how he's going to take over the Michigan football team sending little minions to games to record the signs every play is a huge fucking advantage.

And apparently you don't know how teams scout future opponents. It's tape sent by the OPPONENT. So you don't think they're placing the cameras to hide the signals? God Michigan fans have their heads buried so fucking far into the sand. If what they are being accused of doing was actually happening, it's fucking cheating. If you want to use the "everybody does it" excuse, then get better at cheating and try again.

Regardless, it's going to take a minimum of 365 days to really see any results of this because the NCAA moves at the pace of a paralyzed snail in regards to any punishments. And that's if the school and the NCAA agree on the punishment.

Cheating so amazing that when they see the signs from the other team and know it is a pass, they still score touchdowns.

This scandal is so pathetically bad it is ridiculous.

Have any of you clowns ever played a down of football? Sure, I may know if a team is running or throwing the football, but unless I know the actual play design and direction it is going, it can actually be counter-intuitive.

When the Astros were stealing signs in a true one on one matchup of pitcher vs batter, and the batter knew a fastball, curve, slider, or change up was coming, it was a massive advantage. When 22 guys are on the field and you simply know pass vs run, you have no clue about the blocking, routes, which side it is going, nor the ability of the QB to check down and or even run the ball when nobody is open because the D 'knows' it is a pass.

This is so beyond dumb it is truly funny.

 

[jwolt92]

Cheating so amazing that when they see the signs from the other team and know it is a pass, they still score touchdowns.

This scandal is so pathetically bad it is ridiculous.

Have any of you clowns ever played a down of football? Sure, I may know if a team is running or throwing the football, but unless I know the actual play design and direction it is going, it can actually be counter-intuitive.

When the Astros were stealing signs in a true one on one matchup of pitcher vs batter, and the batter knew a fastball, curve, slider, or change up was coming, it was a massive advantage. When 22 guys are on the field and you simply know pass vs run, you have no clue about the blocking, routes, which side it is going, nor the ability of the QB to check down and or even run the ball when nobody is open because the D 'knows' it is a pass.

This is so beyond dumb it is truly funny.

You really don't think knowing run vs. pass is little to no advantage? And has it been revealed how much is given by those signs?

2014 National Championship game Auburn had FSU's signs (former coach) in the first half and FSU went into the half scoring just 10 points. Changed them up and put up 24 in the second half. So tell me again how it doesn't matter.

 

[jwolt92]

I had no idea this was how things were done. Mind blown.

I'll see if I can find the quote in the article on The Athletic and screen shot it here

 

[Wolvie]

I'll see if I can find the quote in the article on The Athletic and screen shot it here

On which day of the week do teams send their tapes to their opponents? How much tape do they send?

 

[jwolt92]

@Wolverine830872