Thoughts on the Michigan sign stealing allegations?

[Wolvie]

Is their QB even arguably a top 5 QB in college football right now? Because that might be the dumbest thing you've said in this thread and that's saying something..

McCarthy is currently #2 for vegas odds on winning the Heisman

2023 College Football Heisman Trophy Odds

 

[Wamu]

A program that goes 69-24 is a damn good record. Do you know what would happen to a program like that if you give it arguably the best QB, RB, and OL in college football? The answer is a 21-1 record.

Yer funny.

Homer on!

 

[Wolvie]

Yer funny.

Homer on!

prove me wrong

 

[jwolt92]

McCarthy is currently #2 for vegas odds on winning the Heisman

2023 College Football Heisman Trophy Odds

Cool.. do you honestly think he's better than Drake Maye and Caleb Williams? That's just 2, I can absolutely come up with more. Heisman =/= best QB

 

[Wamu]

prove me wrong

I've already given the examples. But instead of looking at how much UofM started winning after Stalions is dismissed by you. Those numbers don't add up. UofM got much better quickly and it all happened once Stalions was associated with the program.

 

[jwolt92]

I've already given the examples. But instead of looking at how much UofM started winning after Stalions is dismissed by you. Those numbers don't add up. UofM got much better quickly and it all happened once Stalions was associated with the program.

Well he also thinks JJ McCarthy is the best QB in college football so don't expect him to understand any real logic here.

 

[Wamu]

Well he also thinks JJ McCarthy is the best QB in college football so don't expect him to understand any real logic here.

And doing stuff like that is going 100% full homer.

 

[jwolt92]

And doing stuff like that is going 100% full homer.

Haven't seen this kind of delusion since the days of OD...

 

[Wolvie]

Cool.. do you honestly think he's better than Drake Maye and Caleb Williams? That's just 2, I can absolutely come up with more. Heisman =/= best QB

I haven't seen any of those guys play. I have watched a lot of Penix, though, and he is legit. So is McCarthy.

 

[Wolvie]

I've already given the examples. But instead of looking at how much UofM started winning after Stalions is dismissed by you. Those numbers don't add up. UofM got much better quickly and it all happened once Stalions was associated with the program.

you haven't given examples, only before and after numbers, which can always be slanted. Answer me this at least: do you think it is impossible for Michigan to have those stats these last two years without stealing signs?

 

[fritowrdo]

Who said he is innocent?

So you agree he is guilty of wronging the program under Harbaugh.

 

[Wolvie]

So you agree he is guilty of wronging the program under Harbaugh.

It definitely appears that he was knowingly violating rules

 

[fritowrdo]

It definitely appears that he was knowingly violating rules

Agree.

The question now is how much did Harbaugh know but no matter what Harbaugh is the head coach and responsible for what happens in his program.

 

[Wolvie]

Agree.

The question now is how much did Harbaugh know but no matter what Harbaugh is the head coach and responsible for what happens in his program.

The big question is whether or not Harbaugh or anyone else there had any knowledge of this. If not, then I don't expect much, if any, punishment.

 

[jwolt92]

The big question is whether or not Harbaugh or anyone else there had any knowledge of this. If not, then I don't expect much, if any, punishment.

Have you ever heard of the term "lack of institutional control"? Because Harbaugh has the responsibility to know what's going on in his program, and no matter how much he denies.. he can still get punished

 

[jwolt92]

I haven't seen any of those guys play. I have watched a lot of Penix, though, and he is legit. So is McCarthy.

So you're admitting you don't know ball, got it.

 

[Wolvie]

Have you ever heard of the term "lack of institutional control"? Because Harbaugh has the responsibility to know what's going on in his program, and no matter how much he denies.. he can still get punished

Sure, but I doubt he will be punished unless there are facts showing he knew or should have known about this scheme. A coach can't know everything that is going on by his players and coaches on their own time. When a player gets busted to PED's, or a coach is caught smoking crack, that isn't something that would cause a head coach to get in trouble.

 

[Wolvie]

So you're admitting you don't know ball, got it.

explain how you reach this conclusion

 

[jwolt92]

explain how you reach this conclusion

By claiming McCarthy is "arguably the best QB" and then you use Heisman odds to justify it, while ignoring all other teams in the country.. yeah you don't know ball. You're just a JimmyJam nut rider and will go back into hiding when he leaves for the NFL to get away from all of this

 

[Wolvie]

By claiming McCarthy is "arguably the best QB" and then you use Heisman odds to justify it, while ignoring all other teams in the country.. yeah you don't know ball. You're just a JimmyJam nut rider and will go back into hiding when he leaves for the NFL to get away from all of this

McCarthy arguably is the best qb in the country. That isn't controversial, but definitely subjective. But don't take my word for it, just look at professional vegas oddsmakers, who also seemingly agree with that proposition. I think McCarthy is legit because I've seen all of his games, and he passes the eye test. Same with Penix.

And then you conclude that I "don't know ball" somehow? That isn't logical. Is this how all FSU fans operate or just you?