The Niners appear to be the 'home' team

[HaroldSeattle]

Now I need to throw Moose a bone and agree with this about QBR.



Mostly because I feel the 5 yard pass with 35 yards after the catch describes what is going on with the 49ers passing attack and Jimmy G.

 

[SteelersPride]

Now I need to throw Moose a bone and agree with this about QBR.

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Mostly because I feel the 5 yard pass with 35 yards after the catch describes what is going on with the 49ers passing attack and Jimmy G.

 

[SteelersPride]

With the exception of passes to kittle but even he truck sticks

 

[NinerSickness]

Implying it is completely or even mostly subjective is, however, stupid.

Shine my shoes, TM3.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Shine my shoes, TM3.

Can't shine what was never there, chap. The gif is kind of funny with how much you've backpedaled in this thread.

 

[Duffman]

Now I need to throw Moose a bone and agree with this about QBR.

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Mostly because I feel the 5 yard pass with 35 yards after the catch describes what is going on with the 49ers passing attack and Jimmy G.

Jimmy may do that but if it’s smart it’s smart. There is no QB in the NFL who’ll see a RB wide open 5 yards downfield and decide he’d rather chuck it to a covered WR 40 yards downfield because it’ll make his QBR better if it’s complete.

 

[TheRangerDude]

49ners run game is better than the Chiefs, the Chiefs offense overall is better than the niners though. Cheifs just have to be careful with time of possession in this one, so they really do need to get something out of their run game. Will be interesting to see if they give Shady a shot, he should be pretty well rested and has to be pumped for his first SB.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Jimmy may do that but if it’s smart it’s smart. There is no QB in the NFL who’ll see a RB wide open 5 yards downfield and decide he’d rather chuck it to a covered WR 40 yards downfield because it’ll make his QBR better if it’s complete.

Well heck nobody is claiming the 49ers shouldn't do what they do. It's been working. I think Shanahan is a really good coach making lemonade out of lemons in regards to Jimmy G. They throw the most short passes in the league and combine that with one of the best yards after catch in the league and it's been going good. No sense in changing that if not needed. However lets not get fooled into thinking Jimmy is any thing special, Kyle been managing him and it's been working. Jimmy at this point is a game manager, but he's performed when needed thus far , but also had some real luck with easy interceptions getting dropped.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

[QUOTE="TheRangerDude, post: 14406129, member: 5201"]49ners run game is better than the Chiefs, the Chiefs offense overall is better than the niners though. Cheifs just have to be careful with time of possession in this one, so they really do need to get something out of their run game. Will be interesting to see if they give Shady a shot, he should be pretty well rested and has to be pumped for his first SB.[/QUOTE]

Would like you to expand why you think this. If the 49ers have the run game and the Chiefs the pass game, you feel the Chiefs run game is better then the 49ers pass game?

 

[TheRangerDude]

Would like you to expand why you think this. If the 49ers have the run game and the Chiefs the pass game, you feel the Chiefs run game is better then the 49ers pass game?

No, even what you bolded says that I think the niners run game is better. I'm saying overall the Chiefs offense is better simply because they have better skill players. I actually thought KC had more points/game when I posted this as well, come to find out the niners have slightly more. So maybe it's closer than I think.

Still think offense favors KC while defense favors the niners. Mahomes vs Bosa is going to be fun to watch.

 

[SteelersPride]

This pissing match is amusing. Both have been wrong, both have been right. Neither has won. One is calm. One is pissing gasoline(but will say he isn't)

 

[Jordan23]

Quite to the contrary- I am saying 16-19 games is not adequate for sifting our statistical noise at RB-YPC, as it is a noisy and circumstantial position. YPC is therefore not an especially useful metric for determining the overall strength of a running game. DVOA takes far more context into account than YPC can.

RBsDontMatter has currency for a reason.

You aren’t trying to argue that KC has a comparable run game are you? That would be hilarious

 

[Fountain City Blues]

You aren’t trying to argue that KC has a comparable run game are you? That would be hilarious

This is what the analytics would suggest, correct. Do you have an explanation for why SF ranks 13th in rushing DVOA, while KC is 14th? The salt amuses me though.

So far, @HaroldSeattle has the only semi-respectable defense, intellectually.

 

[Clayton]

You aren’t trying to argue that KC has a comparable run game are you? That would be hilarious

An Andy Reid run game is like a tree falling without anyone to hear it.

You can't analyze a Chiefs run game when they're only running on 3rd and 2, when they're up by 17, or Mahomes takes off because he is playing against Cover 4.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

An Andy Reid run game is like a tree falling without anyone to hear it.

You can't analyze a Chiefs run game when they're only running on 3rd and 2, when they're up by 17, or Mahomes takes off because he is playing against Cover 4.

Oh, but you can! That's why I cite things like DVOA and not YPC.

Nobody cares if a dude is averaging 3 YPC if that's on 3rd and 1.

 

[NinerSickness]

Can't shine what was never there, chap. The gif is kind of funny with how much you've backpedaled in this thread.

You changed it from it’s not subjective to it’s not “mostly” subjective, and I’m the one who backpedaled?

You have serious problems.

 

[Clayton]

Oh, but you can! That's why I cite things like DVOA and not YPC.

Nobody cares if a dude is averaging 3 YPC if that's on 3rd and 1.

Since you're an advanced stats guy, I'll throw an interesting one out.

The 'Power' metric measures success running the football on 3rd and short and 4th and short. SF O vs KC D is 67% vs 71% and KC has a 63% vs 50% so when both teams know the ball is getting run, the Niners should have the advantage by about 12% when it comes to tough running.

The interesting thing is that Houston was #1 in Power rush offense and #6 in Power Rush defense. That was their thing and probably the reason they outperformed their advanced stats all year is that they were clutch in the tough yards. Tennessee also had a major advantage against KC in this area.

KC easily beat both teams.

Running the ball matters until it doesn't.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

You changed it from it’s not subjective to it’s not “mostly” subjective, and I’m the one who backpedaled?

You have serious problems.

Black and white thinker, I see. Kind of guy who complains that the ice cream has a cherry on it. Again though- it's based on stats. Some stats may be constructed poorly- but are stats nonetheless.

 

[Jikkle]

Well heck nobody is claiming the 49ers shouldn't do what they do. It's been working. I think Shanahan is a really good coach making lemonade out of lemons in regards to Jimmy G. They throw the most short passes in the league and combine that with one of the best yards after catch in the league and it's been going good. No sense in changing that if not needed. However lets not get fooled into thinking Jimmy is any thing special, Kyle been managing him and it's been working. Jimmy at this point is a game manager, but he's performed when needed thus far , but also had some real luck with easy interceptions getting dropped.

He's a system QB at worse but I wouldn't call him a game manager.

In 2019 he's got the best QB rating when his team is down in the 4th quarter and off hand I think he's has 4 4th quarter comebacks this year and 7 in his career and that's with like 27 starts to his name.

And when you look at the losses this season the first game against Seattle he drove down to tie the game to send it to OT and he drove the ball down into FG range that was missed. The Ravens won in the final seconds on a FG and the Falcons game his last two drives resulted in 10 points and the defense gave up the game winning TD.

Game managers to me are guys that you count on to protect the lead not come from behind to win it for you.

I don't think Shanahan created or operates his offense because he feels Jimmy G is lacking. What we've seen from the 9ers offense is pretty much exactly how Shanahan wants the offense to operate. That's why he has guys like Kittle and Deebo who is like an RB when he has the ball and why he drafted Jalen Hurd a RB that converted to WR in college because he wants guys to be able to get that YAC yardage. Shanahan wants his to run his dad's old WCO with a lotta zone blocking and running the ball and that's going to be his first choice even if he had Mahomes at QB.

So I get why people doubt Jimmy G because he doesn't have a huge body of work to go on but I don't think it's completely fair to criticize him for things he's not being asked to do either.

 

[NinerSickness]

You aren’t trying to argue that KC has a comparable run game are you? That would be hilarious

KC sucks at yards per carry (20th vs Niners’ 8th), so our resident moron is clinging to some cherry-picked, non-stat to make himself feel better for 3 more days until the Niners bitch-slap the Chiefs by double digits.