The final word on Jordan vs LeBron (and Kobe)

[msgkings322]

OK you idiots, here's an article that sums up everything we've been saying about this topic. Anything you write is a version of what's covered here.

This is it. Stop already.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-playoffs-lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-cb62c5c876b5

 

[Kold]

I haven't had a chance to read it all yet....but I thought this thread was going to be about the Youtube video I just saw. Doesn't tell the whole story, but gets in depth about the conference play

 

[msgkings322]

I haven't had a chance to read it all yet....but I thought this thread was going to be about the Youtube video I just saw. Doesn't tell the whole story, but gets in depth about the conference play

It does address the conference question

 

[WiggyRuss]

OK you idiots, here's an article that sums up everything we've been saying about this topic. Anything you write is a version of what's covered here.

This is it. Stop already.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-playoffs-lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-cb62c5c876b5

well...notice how they dont even have Kobe in the convo anymore. And i certainly dont think its a slam against Kobe saying hes not Michael or LeBron....i mean- those 2 are the best ever for a reason. Kobe is right about top 10 of all time in my book and a lot of peoples books- but Jordan and LeBron is the conversation. Kobe/LeBron ended years ago.

 

[Ickey Shuffle]

well...notice how they dont even have Kobe in the convo anymore. And i certainly dont think its a slam against Kobe saying hes not Michael or LeBron....i mean- those 2 are the best ever for a reason. Kobe is right about top 10 of all time in my book and a lot of peoples books- but Jordan and LeBron is the conversation. Kobe/LeBron ended years ago.

I remember those Kobe vs Jordan comparisons was the hot thing on the streets I wanna say around 2006. Time flies...

 

[WiggyRuss]

I remember those Kobe vs Jordan comparisons was the hot thing on the streets I wanna say around 2006. Time flies...

dont get me wrong. Kobe is amazing. an all-time great. 5 titles, 2 finals mvps, an mvp, all defensive teams etc. etc....

hes just not lebron or michael.

 

[SJ76]

Lebron never had to go through the Celtics dynasty or the Bad Boys period of end of story.

These Lebron "finals appearances" crack me up because the East he's been in hasn't had 1 team that could even sniff an NBA title.

And before you dismiss the Bad Boys and forget about how bad ass that era was.. Detroit whipped the '89 showtime Lakers in 4 games - the Bulls went 6 games in ECF against that Pistons squad. Magic was the MVP that year.

1990 the Piston beat the Blazers 4-1. Bulls took the Pistons to 7 games in the ECF. Magic was again the MVP.



Lebrons East is nowhere in the ballpark of what Jordan faced in the East. Had Jordan got to the Finals in 89 and 90 with a weak East like Lebron has had -- it would have been 8 rings. Plus 2 years of baseball?

 

[msgkings322]

Lebron never had to go through the Celtics dynasty or the Bad Boys period of end of story.

These Lebron "finals appearances" crack me up because the East he's been in hasn't had 1 team that could even sniff an NBA title.

And before you dismiss the Bad Boys and forget about how bad ass that era was.. Detroit whipped the '89 showtime Lakers in 4 games - the Bulls went 6 games in ECF against that Pistons squad. Magic was the MVP that year.

1990 the Piston beat the Blazers 4-1. Bulls took the Pistons to 7 games in the ECF. Magic was again the MVP.



Lebrons East is nowhere in the ballpark of what Jordan faced in the East. Had Jordan got to the Finals in 89 and 90 with a weak East like Lebron has had -- it would have been 8 rings. Plus 2 years of baseball?

You didn't even read the linked article did you.

 

[SJ76]

You didn't even read the linked article did you.

I did. The guy likes this era of bball. Make sure you read the truth I posted above

 

[trojanfan12]

well...notice how they dont even have Kobe in the convo anymore. And i certainly dont think its a slam against Kobe saying hes not Michael or LeBron....i mean- those 2 are the best ever for a reason. Kobe is right about top 10 of all time in my book and a lot of peoples books- but Jordan and LeBron is the conversation. Kobe/LeBron ended years ago.

Agree. There was a time when Kobe vs. Lebron was a legit discussion. It hasn't been one since at least Lebron's first title in Miami for pretty much everyone.

For a stubborn few, it took until his 2nd title in Miami.

 

[tlance]

OK you idiots, here's an article that sums up everything we've been saying about this topic. Anything you write is a version of what's covered here.

This is it. Stop already.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-playoffs-lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-cb62c5c876b5

The three lines from this article, (and I am paraphrasing)

1) humans tend to get better at things over time
2) The last sentence about MJ, LeBron and Kobe
3) the one on one comparison. "I have played one on one against players who are taller, faster, stronger and shoot better than me. It usually does not go well".

It literally baffles my mind when people try to say elite teams from the current era aren't as good as past eras. Just doesn't make sense. Not only are stars more concentrated on these teams than they were in the 90s, but humans get better at things over time. This is fact.

It is fair to say that you don't like the way the league is set up today. I get that. But the argument that the Warriors and Cavs could not compete with great teams from prior eras? Please.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

This is it. Stop already.

So you're asking people, on a public internet message board whose sole purpose is to discuss things, to stop discussing things?

Good luck with that.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

But the argument that the Warriors and Cavs could not compete with great teams from prior eras? Please.

The argument was never that. It was about the fact that the road to the Finals through the east has never been easier than it is now.

 

[tlance]

The argument was never that. It was about the fact that the road to the Finals through the east has never been easier than it is now.

In part because the Cavs are really good.

Yes, some have said that.

Also, we are talking about winning championships. I can see how the argument about the East being easy can diminish Finals appearances, but the east has not been easy the last 7 years. It has really only been the last 2.

I don't care if the Cavs are given a bye into the Finals. Beating 1 team as good as GS is harder than beating 4 teams like the Ewing Knicks. Those teams were good and they competed hard. But they were not elite teams.

 

[flyerhawk]

I read the article yesterday. Pretty much agree with everything he said.

Two best players I've ever seen play. Better than Magic. Better than Bird. Better than Kobe. Better than Kareem although I didn't see most of his career, only the tail end.

 

[flyerhawk]

I don't care if the Cavs are given a bye into the Finals. Beating 1 team as good as GS is harder than beating 4 teams like the Ewing Knicks. Those teams were good and they competed hard. But they were not elite teams.

I really don't know how people measure a team like the Knicks to a team like the modern Pacers. Or the 2011 Bulls.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I really don't know how people measure a team like the Knicks to a team like the modern Pacers. Or the 2011 Bulls.

Again, you would have to have seen the Knicks in the 90s...

 

[flyerhawk]

Again, you would have to have seen the Knicks in the 90s...

I did.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I did.

And you'd still pick the 2011 Bulls or the Pacers over the 90s Knicks?

 

[flyerhawk]

And you'd still pick the 2011 Bulls or the Pacers over the 90s Knicks?

I didn't say I would pick either. I said I don't get how anyone can objectively compare them.