Texas Rangers vs. Houston Astros 8/9-8/12

[Hambombs]

Teams win and lose. Individuals make up those teams. Harold Reynolds saying that Max knows how to win cause his record is 17-1 is stupid. He pitches just as well as he does all the time, and it's an independent variable in the end. How well he pitches doesn't make the offense play better.

LOL I was watching that he said win-loss record is the best stat in history

 

[Hambombs]

It could be this year, went conservative with 269 because he has gone low as 5 (?), and he might get skipped to save him for playoffs & we still have to play some over .500 teams. But he has rocked some good teams. Like a true ace, he gets up for big games. Strikeouts are gravy, wins are steak.

269 would be the most in a decade I think. Verlander had 268 1 year

 

[WTXRangerFan]

It is within reach & so is a Cy Young except for Scherzer, but he could fade if his defense fades or they have injuries.

 

[pegasusredleg]

Was out and about today. Followed the game on mobile. Thinking Perez is a keeper.

 

[RevSader]

Was out and about today. Followed the game on mobile. Thinking Perez is a keeper.

Nah, gotta trade him for Cliff Lee man.

 

[WTXRangerFan]

Espn Rangers site has good things to say about him & his teammates did too. He sounds like he's been to Bull Durham interview school because Perez said the right stuff too.

 

[terpsfball09]

Uhh guys... IDK if you've seen Greinke pitch lately... God damn he looks solid. And hes hitting over .400. Consistently throwing 95 and throws an 87 mph slider with impeccable control. He's been unhittable lately. If he pitches like he's pitched since he's been healthy (from the collarbone incident) he is a top 5 pitcher in the game IMO

 

[Hambombs]

Uhh guys... IDK if you've seen Greinke pitch lately... God damn he looks solid. And hes hitting over .400. Consistently throwing 95 and throws an 87 mph slider with impeccable control. He's been unhittable lately. If he pitches like he's pitched since he's been healthy (from the collarbone incident) he is a top 5 pitcher in the game IMO

He's not a top 5 pitcher at his best. If that were so we would of givin up olt

 

[Hambombs]

It is within reach & so is a Cy Young except for Scherzer, but he could fade if his defense fades or they have injuries.

If you take out win-loss record it's a very close race

 

[Sexy]

If you take out win-loss record it's a very close race

To me Felix is the better pitcher, but he's not on a winning club.

 

[terpsfball09]

He's not a top 5 pitcher at his best. If that were so we would of givin up olt

His cy young year was the best year for a pitcher that I've seen since Randy Johnson/Pedro, if he pitches like that there is no doubt in my mind he is. And lately, thats sorta how he's pitched. 1 walk or less per game, 7 k's or more per game, one run or less per game.

My friend (the scout) wanted greinke last offseason moreso than any other free agent in recent history. He says that Greinke is gonna be healthy, maintain his stuff, and be a horse until his late 30's because he's such a good athlete.

 

[Hambombs]

His cy young year was the best year for a pitcher that I've seen since Randy Johnson/Pedro, if he pitches like that there is no doubt in my mind he is. And lately, thats sorta how he's pitched. 1 walk or less per game, 7 k's or more per game, one run or less per game.

My friend (the scout) wanted greinke last offseason moreso than any other free agent in recent history. He says that Greinke is gonna be healthy, maintain his stuff, and be a horse until his late 30's because he's such a good athlete.

Yeah but you could say that's a fluke year though. Last few years is what he really is. And that's no knock on him he's still really good

 

[Hambombs]

To me Felix is the better pitcher, but he's not on a winning club.

If it came down to it today. I would take king Felix as Cy young

 

[RevSader]

If it came down to it today. I would take king Felix as Cy young

I might take Kuroda.

 

[terpsfball09]

Yeah but you could say that's a fluke year though. Last few years is what he really is. And that's no knock on him he's still really good

Idk if its a fluke. His FIP would prove that the past few years have been a fluke instead... he's consistently in the top 10 in the majors in FIP yet his other numbers aren't exactly there. His stuff and his athleticism would show that his performances of late is who he is.

 

[Hambombs]

I might take Kuroda.

Not me

 

[Hambombs]

Idk if its a fluke. His FIP would prove that the past few years have been a fluke instead... he's consistently in the top 10 in the majors in FIP yet his other numbers aren't exactly there. His stuff and his athleticism would show that his performances of late is who he is.

Mid 3s FIP and xfip do not scream top 10 IMO

 

[terpsfball09]

mid 3's? Here you go... this isn't even counting this year

Just how good is Zack Greinke? - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN

 

[Hambombs]

mid 3's? Here you go... this isn't even counting this year

Just how good is Zack Greinke? - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN

Talking about this year. But FIP is an ok stat but you only control homers, walks, strikeouts. He's never performed to his FIP. Only in his CY season he did.

 

[terpsfball09]

FIP is a stat that the pitchers control. It's one of the more truer pitching stats. I'd rely on that moreso than win's era or anything else.