Texas Rangers 2022 - 2023 Offseason Thread

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Which is why Santana might be an option if we can get the earlier version. We can’t just open up roster spots to rule 5 eligible guys without a few of them being able to pitch on the MLB club immediately

I think the 40 man roster that I suggested earlier would be fine. I am not suggesting rostering anyone 3 years away or anything. We did have some pitchers come on strong in the lat half of this year and they should be protected.

We protected Vanasco last year and I only want to protect guys closer to being ready than him, and it is a year later.

Also, after the Rule 5 draft there is still ample opportunity to trade anyone on the 40 if we have to do so to strengthen up the 40 man.

 

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Some of our bullpen guys can be non tendered and then sign a minor league deal. Other teams will do the same. There will be several back of the bullpen depth-type guys available after teams make their cuts.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

They both could be every bit as good as Matt Harrison who was part of our postseason rotation.

I don't expect them to be for a different reason. I think we have too many guys that will pass them over the next 6 to 18 months. One of them could be in 2023 I guess.

But even if they never amount to anything, we have plenty of other candidates to fill out a rotation's last 3 spots by the time we have a chance at a WS.

I don't subscribe to the theory that "Player A had stats in 2011 and was on a postseason roster, therefore, Player B with similar stats in 2023 is also deserving of a similar spot on a postseason roster."

I have yet to see anything from Dunning or Otto that would make me feel good about handing them the ball in a postseason series.

 

[Kelleyman]

Matt Harrison in his prime was a lot better than Otto or Dunning. I do think he was underrated and he had a bright future ahead and then injury

Dunning is at best a 4 but I would hope a young 5 would take his SP spot on a playoff roster
He is eating innings for now hopefully and I am good with that for now

 

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I don't subscribe to the theory that "Player A had stats in 2011 and was on a postseason roster, therefore, Player B with similar stats in 2023 is also deserving of a similar spot on a postseason roster."

I have yet to see anything from Dunning or Otto that would make me feel good about handing them the ball in a postseason series.

If we traded both of them today we would still have lots of viable options within our system for the third and fourth spot of a playoff rotation by the time 2025 gets here. Otto and Dunning were way down the list of possibilities anyway.

If, and that is a big if, the Rangers view Martin Perez as no better than a #3 then I doubt we sign him for a 3 or 4 year deal.

 

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Matt Harrison in his prime was a lot better than Otto or Dunning. I do think he was underrated and he had a bright future ahead and then injury

Dunning is at best a 4 but I would hope a young 5 would take his SP spot on a playoff roster
He is eating innings for now hopefully and I am good with that for now

Ah, that is the key. "In his prime" I take it you mean when he pitched for us in 2011. He had thrown 225 innings before the 2011 season.

Our whole conversation has been who will be able to be in the rotation by 2025.

You are comparing Harrison in his prime to the very early stages of Dunning and Otto. Look at Harrison's early numbers and compare them to the other two's early numbers. In those first 225 innings, Matt Harrison had an ERA of 5.59 and struck out 4.9 per 9 innings. His WHIP was almost 1.60.

Both Dunning and Otto compare very favorably to that. Just as Matt got better with experience, so will those guys. In fact, Otto already put up numbers in the last two months plus, that were just slightly worse than Harrison's numbers in 2011.

 

[saddles]

I don't subscribe to the theory that "Player A had stats in 2011 and was on a postseason roster, therefore, Player B with similar stats in 2023 is also deserving of a similar spot on a postseason roster."

I have yet to see anything from Dunning or Otto that would make me feel good about handing them the ball in a postseason series.

The only reason I do is because that 2011 roster was not just a postseason roster, but a World Series roster, and what should have been a Championship roster.

Either way though, I think if we sign 2 pitchers better than Perez we will have a better rotation top to bottom in 2025 than either of our World Series years, and that would be even without Perez. And I think it would be a legitimate present day postseason rotation.

Now, getting our offense up to that level is another question.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

The only reason I do is because that 2011 roster was not just a postseason roster, but a World Series roster, and what should have been a Championship roster.

Either way though, I think if we sign 2 pitchers better than Perez we will have a better rotation top to bottom in 2025 than either of our World Series years, and that would be even without Perez. And I think it would be a legitimate present day postseason rotation.

Now, getting our offense up to that level is another question.

the question is - when do/should we sign those two? I agree with the principle, but in my head it seems like we should be maximizing the time that FA's spend alongside our homegrown talent.

 

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Bullpen candidate, Robert Suarez, has opted out of his contract with the Padres.

 

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the question is - when do/should we sign those two? I agree with the principle, but in my head it seems like we should be maximizing the time that FA's spend alongside our homegrown talent.

I would sign one really good starter this year, but I include Perez in that category. I would also sign one next year unless we have some extremely pleasant surprises in our upper level rotations next year. Next year some really good pitchers are available in free agency, including our favorite, Mr. Darvish.

I think a second or third tier starter along with Perez and two really good bullpen guys would be a very successful offseason. I would also check into Kershaw.

I don't see any need to sign three starting pitchers to 3 to 5 year contracts.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

I would sign one really good starter this year, but I include Perez in that category. I would also sign one next year unless we have some extremely pleasant surprises in our upper level rotations next year. Next year some really good pitchers are available in free agency, including our favorite, Mr. Darvish.

I think a second or third tier starter along with Perez and two really good bullpen guys would be a very successful offseason. I would also check into Kershaw.

I don't see any need to sign three starting pitchers to 3 to 5 year contracts.

Bullpen candidate, Robert Suarez, has opted out of his contract with the Padres.

do you consider Suarez to be in the "really good bullpen guy" category?

 

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Zach Davies is now a free agent. Career ERA of 4.14.

 

[saddles]

do you consider Suarez to be in the "really good bullpen guy" category?

He is a little difficult to peg. He did have a really good year, but that is his only year.

 

[Kelleyman]

 

[Kelleyman]

FWIW not sure how T Walker did last year but alway thought he was a SP talent. Heard he opted out

 

[True Rangers Fan]

Top 20 potential free agents this offseason

16. Martín Pérez, LHP, Rangers, age 32
A year ago, Pérez profiled as little more than back-of-the-rotation veteran filler, having posted pedestrian strikeout (18.4%) and walk (8.7) rates and a 4.88 ERA from 2019-21. But after a triumphant return to Texas for 2022, in which he had a 2.89 ERA and a 137 ERA+ in 196 1/3 innings (his highest workload since 2016), his profile looks a heck of a lot different.

 

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Andrew Chafin Declines Player Option With Tigers

TODAY: Chafin has officially declined his option. NOVEMBER 2: Tigers reliever Andrew Chafin will decline his $6.5MM player option for …

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Lots of relievers to choose from. This one would be good to sign.

 

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It is a new era after this last CBA.

 

[saddles]

FWIW not sure how T Walker did last year but alway thought he was a SP talent. Heard he opted out

3.49 ERA
1.19 WHIP
7.6 K/9

 

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Orix Buffaloes May Post Masataka Yoshida For MLB Teams

The Orix Buffaloes just won the Japan Series, becoming the champions of Nippon Professional Baseball's 2022 season. Now, the Buffaloes …

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A lefthanded hitting outfielder who put up an OPS of 1.007 this year. 29 years old.