Sorry Winnipeg... Hulsizer may have just saved the Phoenix Coyotes

[BlueandWhiteForever]

100!

Reported!

 

[IPostedWhat]

Reported!

 

[KillerVee]

That almost looks like Indiana Jones with an ice cream cone!

 

[IPostedWhat]

That almost looks like Indiana Jones with an ice cream cone!

 

[KillerVee]

You're very mean to me, IPW.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Sigh.

There is a huge difference between making an opinionated judgment about the future using reasons. Never did I say I was unequivocally correct and that this is what WILL happen, rather I gave reasons why I think the market CAN turn around and why I think it SHOULD be given the chance.

That is completely different than stating that, with zero evidence, Thing A happened because of Thing B (McCain supports the Yotes because his wife sits on the board of the third largest beer company that "presumably" profits from the Yotes in town- even though according to everybody on this board nobody even goes to Yotes games)

BTW, I think this discussion has started to run its course, but the Coyotes had better attendance than the Blackhawks most seasons this decade. If attendance is the number one predictor of strength of market, there are handful of teams that should be considered for relocation as well;

Atlanta, New Jersey, Islanders, Preds, Panthers... Im sure there are more.

And if we were having this dicussion 4 or 5 years ago, the Penguins and Blackhawks would be on that list as well.

Point being, markets can change- but I think I'm about ready to wrap up this discussion.

The market has been given 16 years and failed miserably each and every year. It has shown no growth in those 16 years and given no reason to believe there is potential for growth in the coming years. How many more years and how much more revenue should the Yotes be allowed to waste before calling it quits?

As for the origional topic, Hulsizer's gaurantee of 75% of the bonds is just grandstanding and has no bering on the legality of the core issue. He's trying to generate public support for his bid to buy the Coyotes in the hopes that public pressure will force Goldwater to drop the lawsuit.

 

[Darkstone42]

I still want them to stay so that I will be close to hockey. Of course, it's definitely better for the health of the league for them to move.

 

[Ties5o11]

http://www.glendaleaz.com/documents/FAQ_Glendale_Response_to_Goldwater_Misinformation_032411.pdf

Interesting read on the situation. Despite your stance on the wisdom of keeping a team in Phoenix, I think the Goldwater lawsuit is a stretch. Like it or not Id be willing to be the team will be in Phoenix for the next few years.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

http://www.glendaleaz.com/documents/FAQ_Glendale_Response_to_Goldwater_Misinformation_032411.pdf

Interesting read on the situation. Despite your stance on the wisdom of keeping a team in Phoenix, I think the Goldwater lawsuit is a stretch. Like it or not Id be willing to be the team will be in Phoenix for the next few years.

There is one major problem to what the City and the Coyotes are contesting. The Turken vs. Gordon (2010) case set precedence for what is currently happening. The ruling fully supports what the GWI is stating in this matter against the City and the Yotes.

Turken vs. Gordon

It's pretty simple, if the league, Hulsizer, or City truely believed that they would surely win the lawsuit this deal would have been finalized by now.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

your daily update from the maverick ... doesnt sound very maverick-y ... hes a democrat right ? _lol

McCain blasts watchdog's fight over Coyotes - ArizonaSports.com

"I think Barry's fundamental philosophy was that he was a very strong conservative obviously, but he also was a great booster of the Valley," McCain said. "He always worked very hard to help our economy, to make sure that businesses and industries were attracted to our state. He was proud of our growth. Frankly, I don't believe that he would agree that we should not realize what the real world is. The real world is that people and places compete for professional teams. In a perfect world, we should never pay a dime, we should never give them any incentives and yet that's what the real world is."

"I am a proud fiscal conservative, I will match my record against anyone," the senator said. "To somehow think the Phoenix Coyotes don't need incentives to stay where they are when we are subsidizing all the stadiums for the Cactus League teams, Chase Field, University of Phoenix Stadium, all the stadiums that have been erected all over the country -- I don't like it, but that's the world we live in."

 

[jstewismybastardson]

look at all the glendale fans getting ready for the playoffs and wearing coyote red from last night

err ...

 

[KillerVee]

My goodness that's a sad picture.

 

[Ties5o11]

your daily update from the maverick ... doesnt sound very maverick-y ... hes a democrat right ? _lol

McCain blasts watchdog's fight over Coyotes - ArizonaSports.com

"I think Barry's fundamental philosophy was that he was a very strong conservative obviously, but he also was a great booster of the Valley," McCain said. "He always worked very hard to help our economy, to make sure that businesses and industries were attracted to our state. He was proud of our growth. Frankly, I don't believe that he would agree that we should not realize what the real world is. The real world is that people and places compete for professional teams. In a perfect world, we should never pay a dime, we should never give them any incentives and yet that's what the real world is."

"I am a proud fiscal conservative, I will match my record against anyone," the senator said. "To somehow think the Phoenix Coyotes don't need incentives to stay where they are when we are subsidizing all the stadiums for the Cactus League teams, Chase Field, University of Phoenix Stadium, all the stadiums that have been erected all over the country -- I don't like it, but that's the world we live in."

Well he's pragmatic- better than being some blowhard ideologue. Sometimes you have to check your core philosophy for what is best. He also stands up for the institutions of his state.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Outside of the REAL fan outrage, where was the opposion from the league when the Nordiques or the Jets left town?

There was none!

 

[forty_three]

I still want them to stay so that I will be close to hockey. Of course, it's definitely better for the health of the league for them to move.

If they leave, I will pitch in to buy you NHL Center Ice.

I will look out for the hockey fan of Arizona.

 

[Darkstone42]

If they leave, I will pitch in to buy you NHL Center Ice.

I will look out for the hockey fan of Arizona.

I actually have a bit of an evil plan. I'll get to watch the Penguins at least for free. There's this device that you can put your television online so you can watch it anywhere. I forget what it's called. But I'm going to have my family hook it up to their TV, and then I'll access FSN Pittsburgh from Arizona. That way I can watch Pirates' games too. =)

 

[UTVolCountry]

Is that from a real game? They have a pretty good team, I don't understand why they don't have more fan support.

 

[devs30rko]

arizonas constitution deems it illegal for a city or any government body to aid in the form of giving money through payments which is goldwaters whole point here.

hulzinger didn't change that, he's basically just saying they won't pay him as much, but arizona being a more conservative state and the coyotes losing money on a constant basis, something that is not likely to change under Matty H. combined with the fact that glendale would still in fact be paying him, regardless of it being with tax money or parking revenue is illegal under arizonas constitution

 

[dash]

Is that from a real game? They have a pretty good team, I don't understand why they don't have more fan support.

jstew can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that was from Thursday's game against the Jackets. Attendance was 11,172.

/Thursday's game was a special Coyotes ticket promotion as well...

 

[devs30rko]

its disgusting that 11k sounds like a great night for them