Boom go the Coyotes

[jstewismybastardson]

JStew-

I'll try to ignore you lack of general command of the English language and simply point out nearly everything you've said here is wrong. As a Coyote fan, I am so tired of everyone shitting on us because we are a "small market team." Guess what? Our team is having financial trouble- wow congrats, you poke fun at our small crowds, brilliant. Guess who else had relocation issues and attendance issues as recently as 2006-2007- THE FUCKING PENGUINS. But I bet they packed up their shit and moved to Winnipeg.

The Canadian media has been continually wrong about the story. The only person with any credibility is Jim Gintonio, the Coyotes beat writer. He has been 100% correct about EVERY aspect of the story, even though he is continually badgered with every "Eh, my cousin's brother's moose heard that this guy down from Saskatchewan might possibly buy the team eh" story every week. The Canadian muckrakers are worthless.

So sure, you are right, poke fun at our crowds. It doesn't make it easier on any of us fans who sit there night after night wishing we could get the electricity back from the early 2000 WhiteOuts. But at least we have fucking faith.

Answer me this: Is it easier to be a Vancouver fan relishing in victory after victory and sold out crowds high fiving each other or among the Coyote faithful who sit and wait hopefully and praying each day to read "Hulsizer deal completed, competent President/CEO installed."

- A loyal Coyote Fan

i didnt realize the rules dictate Im supposed to partake in an essay contest ... I'll try following your rules next time

I was responding to a poster taking a shot at the canadian media, who supposedly always make "crap" up about the situation (correct me if Im supposed to use whom there)

so everything Ive said is wrong? my timeline of the past events is wrong? Maybe it was misunderstood because I didnt write a novella

the fact: this shitstorm came to light courtesy of the canadian media and when the public first became aware, Bettman and Daly were first on the scene and going as far as saying that the stories were fabricated. They did the same thing yesterday in a style reminiscient of the Iraqi Ministry of Information

In December 2008, the media became aware that the Phoenix Coyotes were losing money at a high rate and were being funded by the NHL directly. The media reports were minimized by the NHL president Gary Bettman and vice-president Bill Daly, but secretly the NHL had taken over operations of the Coyotes. In May 2009, the owner of the team Jerry Moyes put the team into bankruptcy hours before receiving Bettman who was to present a potential offer to purchase.

 

[hckyfn15]

The shitstorm that started yesterday was courtesy of a lousy Winnipeg Press reporter who didn't bother to check his sources. This has been a recurring theme with the Canadian media who seem to prefer to launch a "OMIGOD EH TEAM COMING BACK" campaign without bothering to realize, that in most cases it is pure conjecture/rumor, AS WITH YESTERDAY- it was some jackass on a radio station with zero credibility.

The purchase is happening, the economics of the purchase rely on Glendale issuing public bonds at a time of THEIR choosing. It would be nice for the Canadian media to shut up for a bit and wait until that happens. (Or at a bear minimum stick to reasonable journalistic standards).

I don't really want to start an argument with you, my original post should have been more fact based, but I am so fucking tired of Canadians continually bashing the Coyotes and their fans as if we are some second class fans because we live in a city where we have to skate indoors.

Cheers.

 

[h X c Chris]

I agree with hckyfn15 you guys are acting like a bunch of douche nozzles.

 

[mattola]

Fuck the Stars

 

[SLY]

I heard they're moving the Islanders to Mexico City, Bettman's idea. Rumor has it they're going to be the Mexico City Chupacabras...

 

[dash]

I agree with hckyfn15 you guys are acting like a bunch of douche nozzles.

lol...Chris can never be accused of being a fence sitter, that's for damn sure.

 

[Ties5o11]

I think the Canadian media should just focus on the teams they have right now instead of being so desperate to steal one away. Also, even if the Yotes do move, I doubt they would go to Hamilton or Winnipeg. Bettman wouldnt allow that with much more attractive (in market size and fan creating potential) American markets out there.

Reasons why the Yotes should stay at least for a few more years:

1) They have been a BAD team for a while. Besides Doan, there has been no real identity on the ice. For half their existence, half the seats in the arena couldn't even see one goal. Now they have an identity and a new arena, see if they can gain some traction in that market.
2) Phoenix got obliterated by the housing crisis. Phoenix (along with Vegas) were on the forefront of speculation and rapid expansion though most of the last decade, and thus a huge part of their economy got wiped out during the bubble.
3) Phoenix IS a market with a ton of transplants, and thus is a relatively weak (for its size at least) sports market, BUT it is still a huge, and growing market, that will latch on to teams with strong identities.

I think the team needs a few years. If were having this same argument in 2014, then fine, move them to Milwaukee.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

The shitstorm that started yesterday was courtesy of a lousy Winnipeg Press reporter who didn't bother to check his sources. This has been a recurring theme with the Canadian media who seem to prefer to launch a "OMIGOD EH TEAM COMING BACK" campaign without bothering to realize, that in most cases it is pure conjecture/rumor, AS WITH YESTERDAY- it was some jackass on a radio station with zero credibility.

The purchase is happening, the economics of the purchase rely on Glendale issuing public bonds at a time of THEIR choosing. It would be nice for the Canadian media to shut up for a bit and wait until that happens. (Or at a bear minimum stick to reasonable journalistic standards).

I don't really want to start an argument with you, my original post should have been more fact based, but I am so fucking tired of Canadians continually bashing the Coyotes and their fans as if we are some second class fans because we live in a city where we have to skate indoors.

Cheers.

1. It sure seemed like you wanted to start an argument, starting with taking a shot at Jstew's grammar (or was it punctuation?). You then proceeded to make a point of including some asinine stereotype about Canadians in each post.

2. As a Canadian HOCKEY FAN, yes, I do bash the Coyotes. I'm not alone in that respect. But I don't think that I'm alone in that it is not the fans that we are bashing. In fact it is quite the opposite. It is the lack of fans that we are bashing. The fiscally sustainable franchise(s) from whom I purchase tickets are de facto subsidizers of the Coyotes because there just aren't enough people buying tickets. That means that I have spent more money on the salaries of the Coyotes players than 95% of the people in Phoenix/Glendale.

Anyway, I didn't want to argue with you so I'll just let you go so you can start a war, become morbidly obese and commit a gun crime.

Have a great day.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

I dont know what the legality of the public bond is, which seems to be the major factor on whether this team will stay or not, but I certainly do not think this team should move back to Canada.

Canada has a smaller population than the state of California. California supports baseball very well, and has 5 Major League Baseball franchises. Being a lifelong resident of the state, I can tell you this state is saturated with baseball teams and does not need any more. Canada already has 6 NHL franchises, and while I understand the obvious difference in geography, the population simply is not there.

Whether or not Phoenix is the right place is past me. If not Phoenix, I would like to see a team in a market like Milwaukee (Wisconsin could use a team), Seattle, Portland, Kansas City (a city with a ready arena that has proven it can support pro sports), or even Vegas (hey, why not?). Before that move, I think the city should be given one chance to ride its current young team out. Don't forget this team has had rumors swirling for the last few years, and other than one #4 seed, has been a cellar-dweller for most of the last decade. Give the city a chance (at least 1-2 more years) to support the team as a competitive franchise.

The only franchise I would advocate moving is the Islanders. They have a terrible arena, low attendance, and share a market with two other NHL teams. Of the 3, only 1 gets well supported, meaning the NY area does not need 3 NHL teams. Relocate that team first, and then worry about a team like Phoenix (or Florida or Nashville, etc). I know Bettman's Southern strategy gets a lot of flack around here, but growing up near San Jose, and living in LA now, I can tell you first hand what the three California franchises have done in terms of NHL awareness and fans. Without these three teams, the NHL would barely be a blip on the radar in this state. Instead, the state has 3 fairly successful teams with solid fan-bases.

I would actually like to see a team moved to Wisconsin just look at the packers their fans fill the stadium even during off years and they would have potential rivalries in Minnesota and Chicago

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I would actually like to see a team moved to Wisconsin just look at the packers their fans fill the stadium even during off years and they would have potential rivalries in Minnesota and Chicago

That would be a good hockey market, IMO. Which pretty much makes it impossible that Bettman will even consider it.

 

[hckyfn15]

1. I literally JUST said I should not have taken pot shots in kind. I JUST said that.

2. Well that's a very long sighted view to have. Let's not grow the sport in an area that used to have sell outs on a regular basis, but hit a tough patch due to the shitty economy and moronic management. Nearly all the high schools in AZ have hockey teams- may not seem like much to you but 15 years ago people LAUGHED at the thought. But you're right, that temporary 5% you think you are paying is WAYYY more important to bitch about.

Glad you could set me straight, thanks.

 

[SLY]

Move them to Alaska...

 

[KennyBanyeah]

1. I literally JUST said I should not have taken pot shots in kind. I JUST said that.

2. Well that's a very long sighted view to have. Let's not grow the sport in an area that used to have sell outs on a regular basis, but hit a tough patch in the economy. Nearly all the high schools in AZ have hockey teams- may not seem like much to you but 15 years ago people LAUGHED at the thought. But you're right, that temporary 5% you think you are paying is WAYYY more important to bitch about.

Glad you could set me straight, thanks.

1. HAHAHA. You mean in the same post where you said "OMIGOD EH". Even if you HAD said you shouldn't have taken pot shots, instead of just saying your post should have been more based on facts (which with your first post could have meant almost anything), it rings a little insincere when you are still doing it... IN THAT POST!!!.

2. The Coyotes have been in Phoenix for 15 years, were an excellent team last year and are pretty damn good this year. What does it take for them to start growing their fan base? The NHL is (or it should be) a business. If the people of Phoenix won't use their wallets to demonstrate their interest, the team should move to somewhere where that will happen. That could be Winnipeg, Wisconsin, Honolulu or Nome, Alaska.

I feel for the real fans in Phoenix. They pay for tickets and want to watch hockey. But unless the ledger starts at least sniffing black numbers, moving should be considered an option.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

That would be a good hockey market, IMO. Which pretty much makes it impossible that Bettman will even consider it.

Think that's a big part of the problem bettman doesn't want to admit his push to grow the sport down south isn't working out when in actuality having a team in a location like Wisconsin would do more in the area of growing the league and increase profits.look at Toronto they may not have had allot of success in recent years but the loyalty of their fans shows in their profits.allot of die hard fans in Wisconsin

 

[hckyfn15]

1. Whatever. Go take 6 months of continuous name calling from Canadians calling you a half assed fan and get back to me.

2. That's a fair position. My issue is with people who are actively rooting for the Coyotes demise. People do NOT know the whole story, they don't know the economic conditions in AZ and they certainly don't know dick about the Coyotes and how for the majority of their history they HAVE been a success. I drew a parallel earlier to the Pens and I'll do it again- our stories are nearly the same (minus the arena issue and the worldwide shit the economy took). Hockey can (and has) and will continue to be a success in Phoenix, which is good for the game and good for hockey fans in general.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Move them to Alaska...

Didn't care much for mystery alaska the end of the movie ruined it for me lol

 

[Slimpikins]

1. It sure seemed like you wanted to start an argument, starting with taking a shot at Jstew's grammar (or was it punctuation?). You then proceeded to make a point of including some asinine stereotype about Canadians in each post.

2. As a Canadian HOCKEY FAN, yes, I do bash the Coyotes. I'm not alone in that respect. But I don't think that I'm alone in that it is not the fans that we are bashing. In fact it is quite the opposite. It is the lack of fans that we are bashing. The fiscally sustainable franchise(s) from whom I purchase tickets are de facto subsidizers of the Coyotes because there just aren't enough people buying tickets. That means that I have spent more money on the salaries of the Coyotes players than 95% of the people in Phoenix/Glendale.

Anyway, I didn't want to argue with you so I'll just let you go so you can start a war, become morbidly obese and commit a gun crime.

Have a great day.

Well, you defenitely made a point but I don't think it was the one you were intending.

 

[puckhead]

 

[KillerVee]

Anyway, I didn't want to argue with you so I'll just let you go so you can start a war, become morbidly obese and commit a gun crime.

But...but...it's Thursday! We only do that stuff on Tuesdays!

 

[mattola]