Rumors, Rumors, Rumors........

[YankeeRebel]

Can't tendor him. 3rd contract, not a rookie.

Okay was not aware of that.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Gilmore said he'd take a 1-year contract.

Which he already has...He just doesn't like the dollar number associated with what he had previously negotiated and then has already renegotiated.

 

[Southieinnc]

I think BB should take a 3rd for Stidham or couple Stid and Gilmore and ask for a first

And then what we tag him tendor a 2nd round pick?

We sign him with a reasonable bump for this year.
He plays healthy and strong, we trade him for a 2nd and a 4th.

If we are 4-4 halfway and get a good offer during the season, do you take it?

 

[nefansince75]

We sign him with a reasonable bump for this year.
He plays healthy and strong, we trade him for a 2nd and a 4th.

If we are 4-4 halfway and get a good offer during the season, do you take it?

The contract desire will limit his value. It think we let Gilmore's agent negotiate his contract/trade with the condition at least a 2nd needs to be part of the trade.

 

[Southieinnc]

The contract desire will limit his value. It think we let Gilmore's agent negotiate his contract/trade with the condition at least a 2nd needs to be part of the trade.

Conditional contracts must be equal to each other.
If you write a contract that $$$$ are conditional to what you get in a future trsde, you are allowing one side to decrease pay by trading him on the cheap. This is where the contract causes a court settlement and does not benefit eaither party. Nobody signs that.

 

[nefansince75]

Conditional contracts must be equal to each other.
If you write a contract that $$$$ are conditional to what you get in a future trsde, you are allowing one side to decrease pay by trading him on the cheap. This is where the contract causes a court settlement and does not benefit eaither party. Nobody signs that.

The contract would good faith between Gilmore and the new team until the trade is completed. No team would not honor it after giving up value in a trade. The Pats would trade Gilmore and his current contract to the new team.

 

[Southieinnc]

The contract would good faith between Gilmore and the new team until the trade is completed. No team would not honor it after giving up value in a trade. The Pats would trade Gilmore and his current contract to the new team.

Not following you.
Are you saying Gilmore negotiates a trade with new team for next year while still playing for the Patriots this year?
League would never approve that. Please explain.

 

[YankeeRebel]

The contract would good faith between Gilmore and the new team until the trade is completed. No team would not honor it after giving up value in a trade. The Pats would trade Gilmore and his current contract to the new team.

Agreed

 

[nefansince75]

Not following you.
Are you saying Gilmore negotiates a trade with new team for next year while still playing for the Patriots this year?
League would never approve that. Please explain.

Pats trade him as is this year. Whatever he agrees to with the new team is between them, but needs to be good faith until after the new team owns his current contract.

 

[BigKen]

If he were allowed to find a new team, that team would renegotiate his present contract and extend it. So in essence he would get a renrgotiated salary for this year and possibly two or three years added at probably the same rate as this year. A portion would be guaranteed and of course part of it would also be a bonus.

Example:

New contract is 2021, 22, 23, 24 Total value is $80M

2021 $7M + $8M + $20M Bonus (Spread over four years)
2022 $15M
2023 $15M
2024 $15M

Team can choose to take a $35M cap hit in 2021 that includes the entire bonus or spread it over four and take an annual $20M cap hit and hope the cap goes up 10-12% every year.

 

[Southieinnc]

If he were allowed to find a new team, that team would renegotiate his present contract and extend it. So in essence he would get a renrgotiated salary for this year and possibly two or three years added at probably the same rate as this year. A portion would be guaranteed and of course part of it would also be a bonus.

Example:

New contract is 2021, 22, 23, 24 Total value is $80M

2021 $7M + $8M + $20M Bonus (Spread over four years)
2022 $15M
2023 $15M
2024 $15M

Team can choose to take a $35M cap hit in 2021 that includes the entire bonus or spread it over four and take an annual $20M cap hit and hope the cap goes up 10-12% every year.

So he plays for us this year after he already has the next 4 years @ 80 million?
He can't sign until his contract is done or we trade.

 

[BigKen]

So he plays for us this year after he already has the next 4 years @ 80 million?
He can't sign until his contract is done or we trade.

No. He would make the deal and then the Patriots would trade him. Knowing that this team was willing to shell out the money AND give the Patriots what satisfied their wants/needs/desires.

 

[Southieinnc]

No. He would make the deal and then the Patriots would trade him. Knowing that this team was willing to shell out the money AND give the Patriots what satisfied their wants/needs/desires.

Devil is in the details.
So in this scenario, Does he play for us this year?

 

[nefansince75]

Devil is in the details.
So in this scenario, Does he play for us this year?

No... The official order would be:

1) Trade happens
2) Gilmore and new team sign a new deal (even though the deal is agreed to before #1)

 

[BigKen]

Simple question.

How would you feel about a 30 year old WR and a fifth round pick for Jarrett Stidham?

Texans drafted Davis Mills out of Stanford, but he's not ready to step in to the fray just yet.


The 30 year old WR is Randall Cobb.

 

[Southieinnc]

Simple question.

How would you feel about a 30 year old WR and a fifth round pick for Jarrett Stidham?

Texans drafted Davis Mills out of Stanford, but he's not ready to step in to the fray just yet.


The 30 year old WR is Randall Cobb.

We have a lot of WR2 and WR3's. Don't need more? I'd be interested in a WR1 or borderline.
Stidham is worth at least a 3rd in this market. IMHO

 

[YankeeRebel]

Simple question.

How would you feel about a 30 year old WR and a fifth round pick for Jarrett Stidham?

Texans drafted Davis Mills out of Stanford, but he's not ready to step in to the fray just yet.


The 30 year old WR is Randall Cobb.

We have a lot of WR2 and WR3's. Don't need more? I'd be interested in a WR1 or borderline.
Stidham is worth at least a 3rd in this market. IMHO

I would rather someone stash a box of tampons in Harry's locker with a note. Stop playing like a pussy

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Simple question.

How would you feel about a 30 year old WR and a fifth round pick for Jarrett Stidham?

Texans drafted Davis Mills out of Stanford, but he's not ready to step in to the fray just yet.


The 30 year old WR is Randall Cobb.

Not Randall Cobb, not this year with the pick ups we have already had.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

We have a lot of WR2 and WR3's. Don't need more? I'd be interested in a WR1 or borderline.
Stidham is worth at least a 3rd in this market. IMHO

It appears Davante Adams may become available. I wonder if the Pats have the trade chips to get him but doubt they do.

 

[Southieinnc]

It appears Davante Adams may become available. I wonder if the Pats have the trade chips to get him but doubt they do.

He likely won't be available until after this year.
Though a very ood player, I think he is a little overrated at $27 million per year.
He wants to get a big extension right away. because he could regress a little.
The trick is to grab a good player before he has his peak year.

Emmanuel Sanders was that type of player. (we didn't get him)

On March 12, 2013, the Steelers assigned an original rounder tender to Sanders as a restricted free agent. The tender gave them a third-round pick from any team who signs Sanders or the option to match any contract offer by any teams attempting to sign Sanders.[50] On March 15, 2013, Sanders attended a private visit with the New England Patriots and received an offer sheet.[51] On April 10, 2013, Sanders officially signed his offer sheet from the New England Patriots and the Steelers were given five days to match. On April 14, 2013, the Steelers matched the Patriots' offer sheet, retaining Sanders for the 2013 season.