Series Thread: Rangers Travel to Houston for Three Games with the Astros July 24-26

[saddles]

His ERA and FIP say on average he would give up 3-4 runs in those 7 innings. That keeps you in the game and saves your bullpen for your other 4 starters. Not saying it’s great or that there aren’t better pitchers available. But there is some value to that.

His ERA would be 4.81 runs in 7 innings, so 5 runs most of the time.

There have been years when that would be fine for us at #4 or #5, but not this one, not even as a #5 rotation piiece. For a team with playoff aspirations, but with a poor system to trade from, that would be okay I guess.

 

[saddles]

The Rangers do not have a good history of getting back seemingly quality value for starting pitchers, so I won't be getting my hopes up at any point

I guess it depends on if Howard comes to mind or if Dunning comes to mind. Lol

 

[scotsman1948]

Interesting game in Chicago today. Two pitchers both at the top of trade rumors, Stroman vs Lynn

 

[Kelleyman]

Apparently there are multiple teams pursuing a trade for Lance Lynn. I just don't get that, not at all.

He is die for a rebound. Notice who is pursuing Rays and Dodgers who know how to turn trash into Gold.

I wonder if his HRs are inflated due to ChiSox stadium

 

[saddles]

I guess there is always the possibility teams could be leaking rumors about their interest in Lynn to make other teams they have approached about pitching become antsy. Maybe they are hoping to get the price down on the pitchers they actually want.

 

[saddles]

He is die for a rebound. Notice who is pursuing Rays and Dodgers who know how to turn trash into Gold.

I wonder if his HRs are inflated due to ChiSox stadium

Is he due for a rebound or was he due for Father Time to catch up to him and that is what happened?

 

[scotsman1948]

Problem is all but 1 of starting pitchers we’re rumored to be interested in would be rentals: Stroman, Giolito, Lynn & Snell. The only one not is Eduardo Rodriguez

 

[saddles]

He is die for a rebound. Notice who is pursuing Rays and Dodgers who know how to turn trash into Gold.

I wonder if his HRs are inflated due to ChiSox stadium

His numbers are worse on the road.

 

[saddles]

https://www.si.com/mlb/rangers/news/texas-rangers-mlb-trade-deadline-rumors-shohei-ohtani-predictions#gid=ci02c51e2840002467&pid=the-rangers-will-

He thinks the Rangers will hold onto Duran, but that since they will be required to give up at least one major league ready young player, that they will trade Taveras.

 

[WilltheThrill]

His ERA would be 4.81 runs in 7 innings, so 5 runs most of the time.

There have been years when that would be fine for us at #4 or #5, but not this one, not even as a #5 rotation piiece. For a team with playoff aspirations, but with a poor system to trade from, that would be okay I guess.

Trust me, I don’t want Lynn here either. We could do better. I was just answering the question of what teams see in him. Based on his FIP and career averages, I think contending teams see a guy with the ability to pitch deep into games who would limit the damage and save the bullpen. Plus he’s cheaper than the likes of Snell, Giolito, Scherzer, etc.

 

[WilltheThrill]

Also, I will say that if we do end up with Lynn and he doesn’t cost us much at all, I won’t be mad about it. He’s way down on my list of guys I want on the Rangers, but I do think we need another starting pitcher.

Right now, our rotation is one gigantic question mark. Odorizzi and deGrom are gone. Eovaldi is having to have starts skipped due to reduced velocity and arm fatigue. That is less than ideal. Gray has been super shaky since his blister and he lost his personal catcher. Perez and Heaney are wildly inconsistent and make you want to close your eyes and pray. Dunning is the only pitcher we have who is relatively question mark free.

Are we really going to bank on Eovaldi and Gray staying healthy? Do we really want to see Perez or Heaney pitch in the playoffs or even a meaningful series? Are we comfortable having a safety net of Bradford (who I do like), Otto, White, and Yerry?

I’d take Lynn over Otto, White, and probably even Perez/Heaney at this point. He’s had some awful starts this year, but he’s a bulldog much in the way Colby Lewis was. If he’s the best we can do, and the cost is cheap, I wouldn’t be angry about him as an insurance policy over White or Otto.

 

[WastinSomeTime]

Also, I will say that if we do end up with Lynn and he doesn’t cost us much at all, I won’t be mad about it. He’s way down on my list of guys I want on the Rangers, but I do think we need another starting pitcher.

Right now, our rotation is one gigantic question mark. Odorizzi and deGrom are gone. Eovaldi is having to have starts skipped due to reduced velocity and arm fatigue. That is less than ideal. Gray has been super shaky since his blister and he lost his personal catcher. Perez and Heaney are wildly inconsistent and make you want to close your eyes and pray. Dunning is the only pitcher we have who is relatively question mark free.

Are we really going to bank on Eovaldi and Gray staying healthy? Do we really want to see Perez or Heaney pitch in the playoffs or even a meaningful series? Are we comfortable having a safety net of Bradford (who I do like), Otto, White, and Yerry?

I’d take Lynn over Otto, White, and probably even Perez/Heaney at this point. He’s had some awful starts this year, but he’s a bulldog much in the way Colby Lewis was. If he’s the best we can do, and the cost is cheap, I wouldn’t be angry about him as an insurance policy over White or Otto.

I can go with that logic but would still like an additional starter and a couple guys out of the pen. If we can strengthen the pen and shorten the game for the starters that would help.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

I can go with that logic but would still like an additional starter and a couple guys out of the pen. If we can strengthen the pen and shorten the game for the starters that would help.

I'm ok with that as long as those are low cost acquisitions.

With the offense underperforming, I don't want to trade away many valuable prospects for pitching this week. Losing 2-1 instead of 5-1 doesn't look any better in the standings.

and I don't want to trade anyone for bats. this same lineup was kicking the shit out of everyone two months ago.

 

[scotsman1948]

Bad news for tonight’s game: Yordan Alvarez and Altuva activated

 

[saddles]

 

[WilltheThrill]

I'm ok with that as long as those are low cost acquisitions.

With the offense underperforming, I don't want to trade away many valuable prospects for pitching this week. Losing 2-1 instead of 5-1 doesn't look any better in the standings.

and I don't want to trade anyone for bats. this same lineup was kicking the shit out of everyone two months ago.

I think the argument can be made, though, that the offense was likely punching above its weight for a while there. Semien has regressed more towards his average, as has Garcia, and pitchers have slowly started exposing the younger hitters like Jung, Taveras, and especially Duran. Also, expecting Jankowski to continue at his amazing pace is probably not realistic.

Of course it all depends on cost, as does every trade. But Cody Bellinger would look awfully good in our lineup and would definitely be an improvement over the likes of Grossman, Garver, and Smith. Pitching is the more pressing need, though. That much is certain.

 

[Kelleyman]

So if Gray fizzles and Eovaldi slows up then our playoff pitching staff which looked so good at the first of the year is flawed and this is without relief reinforcements.

Minus a few vets some of who won’t be here next year we are a young team that sprinted out of the gates. We need SP depth in case of Injuries. If it goes right we compete which is great experience but if injuries happen we sure do not want to digress to BP games again

 

[DT LUNA]

Grossman in place of Jank is absolutely absurd

 

[saddles]

We are good enough to hang with the good teams, but not beat them a lot. I can see improvements, in the three areas I have mentioned, helping us to get past those other teams. The bad thing is, they are going to make improvements too, and we will most likely be right back where we are now.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

I think the argument can be made, though, that the offense was likely punching above its weight for a while there. Semien has regressed more towards his average, as has Garcia, and pitchers have slowly started exposing the younger hitters like Jung, Taveras, and especially Duran. Also, expecting Jankowski to continue at his amazing pace is probably not realistic.

Of course it all depends on cost, as does every trade. But Cody Bellinger would look awfully good in our lineup and would definitely be an improvement over the likes of Grossman, Garver, and Smith. Pitching is the more pressing need, though. That much is certain.

i agree - but since the offense was overperforming, then that means it needs help to get back to where it was (or close to it). between that and the pitching, and it seems like the Rangers would have to trade too many things away just to get back to being a legit contender this season - which they weren't expected to be anyway.

now if they can swing trades for pieces that will be here next year, i'm all for that.