Series Thread: Rangers Travel to Houston for Three Games with the Astros July 24-26

[saddles]

Hmmm

You know, I hardly see any trade proposals including Saggese and I don't understand that. If I was a GM doing business with the Rangers, I would certainly ask about him.

 

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[saddles]

Carter's other hit was a 10 foot sIngle. Power and speed.

 

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Apparently there are multiple teams pursuing a trade for Lance Lynn. I just don't get that, not at all.

 

[scotsman1948]

Apparently there are multiple teams pursuing a trade for Lance Lynn. I just don't get that, not at all.

Are they seeing something that everyone else is missing

 

[True Rangers Fan]

Apparently there are multiple teams pursuing a trade for Lance Lynn. I just don't get that, not at all.

not simply multiple teams... multiple teams leading their divisions and expected to make deep playoff runs (Dodgers and Rays)

 

[scotsman1948]

not simply multiple teams... multiple teams leading their divisions and expected to make deep playoff runs (Dodgers and Rays)

He’s given up 18 earned runs in his last 5 starts

I could understand if they were looking at Giolito or Rodriguez or Stroman or Snell but it’s Lynn

 

[True Rangers Fan]

He’s given up 18 earned runs in his last 5 starts

i think that's why people are confused about teams being interested in him

 

[saddles]

not simply multiple teams... multiple teams leading their divisions and expected to make deep playoff runs (Dodgers and Rays)

That means we should be able to trade Perez or Heaney for a very good return, if we decided to. They should bring back a whole lot more than Lynn.

 

[WilltheThrill]

Apparently there are multiple teams pursuing a trade for Lance Lynn. I just don't get that, not at all.

I get it to an extent. People focus in on his 6.18 ERA and immediately say he’s awful. And clearly he hasn’t been great.

But, there are some selling points teams would find attractive:

- He’s in the top 10 in MLB in strikeouts, averaging over 10 K/9

- His FIP is a full run lower than his actual ERA, meaning he’s had some bad luck and/or bad fielding behind him that has ballooned his ERA.

- His career ERA, as well as his ERA last year are below 4, meaning that this season is definitely an aberration for him. I think multiple teams think that a change of scenery and maybe a few mechanical tweaks could fix him.

- He has had a few games here and there where he has shut down the opponent in dominant fashion, giving teams hope that the old Lynn is in there somewhere.

- He will be a cheaper acquisition than most of the other available starters on the market.

So teams are looking at him as a #4 starter who might be able to put up a 4.00 ERA with high K’s while eating innings, all at a cheap cost.

With all that said, I hope the Rangers don’t trade for him. We can do better.

 

[saddles]

They tout Lynn's great K rate and his ability to eat innings. If he goes 7 innings and gives up 5 or 6 runs while striking out 8, what good does that do you?

 

[scotsman1948]

That means we should be able to trade Perez or Heaney for a very good return, if we decided to. They should bring back a whole lot more than Lynn.

Aren’t we a contender? Contenders don’t trade away starters they trade for starters.

 

[scotsman1948]

They tout Lynn's great K rate and his ability to eat innings. If he goes 7 innings and gives up 5 or 6 runs while striking out 8, what good does that do you?

Good point

 

[saddles]

Here are some prospects who show up in various top 30 lists that I would not mind losing. I don't want to give them away, but if the Rangers can find a way to make what they give up in trade come from this list, with only 2 or 3 exceptions, that would be great. Now, if they trade for someone with 3 or 4 years of control then that would change how I feel about what we would have to give up.

Ornelas
Morrobel
Harris
Zavala
Teodo
Cauley
Acosta
Santos
Winn
Figuereo
Kelly
Osuna
Acker
Bratt
Hauver
Cueva

The rest of the top 30 prospects would be broken up into tiers, and there are some groups of guys I wouldn't mind losing one if we kept the other. Lee and Church fit into that category.

I do feel that Walcott should be our only untouchable, but there are several others who I would only trade in a very special trade.

 

[saddles]

Aren’t we a contender? Contenders don’t trade away starters they trade for starters.

What I said was if teams were pursuing Lynn then we could trade those two if we wanted to. I didn't say that should be what we should be trying to do.

If we replaced those two with better starting pitchers, I would have no problem trading them though. I am not looking to ship them off and leave empty spots in the rotation.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

That means we should be able to trade Perez or Heaney for a very good return, if we decided to. They should bring back a whole lot more than Lynn.

I have no idea why the Dodgers or Rays would trade for Lance Lynn, but I do know that whatever price they pay doesn't guarantee that other teams would be willing to pay more for Perez or Heaney. Their value will be whatever other teams are willing to pay, and the Rangers can either accept or decline.

 

[WilltheThrill]

They tout Lynn's great K rate and his ability to eat innings. If he goes 7 innings and gives up 5 or 6 runs while striking out 8, what good does that do you?

His ERA and FIP say on average he would give up 3-4 runs in those 7 innings. That keeps you in the game and saves your bullpen for your other 4 starters. Not saying it’s great or that there aren’t better pitchers available. But there is some value to that.

 

[saddles]

I have no idea why the Dodgers or Rays would trade for Lance Lynn, but I do know that whatever price they pay doesn't guarantee that other teams would be willing to pay more for Perez or Heaney. Their value will be whatever other teams are willing to pay, and the Rangers can either accept or decline.

Well, if the Rangers decided to take that course of action, which is a whole other topic, I would feel better about a potential return knowing there was a market for Lynn. I certainly wouldn't get my hopes up until I see what Lynn actually brings back.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

Well, if the Rangers decided to take that course of action, which is a whole other topic, I would feel better about a potential return knowing there was a market for Lynn. I certainly wouldn't get my hopes up until I see what Lynn actually brings back.

The Rangers do not have a good history of getting back seemingly quality value for starting pitchers, so I won't be getting my hopes up at any point

 

[scotsman1948]

What I said was if teams were pursuing Lynn then we could trade those two if we wanted to. I didn't say that should be what we should be trying to do.

If we replaced those two with better starting pitchers, I would have no problem trading them though. I am not looking to ship them off and leave empty spots in the rotation.

I understood what you were saying. The difficulty with going that route would be that we’d have to trade for 1 or 2 starters and then still have to find buyers who would interested in them and complete a trade by 5pm CST Tuesday