Random FF Thoughts

[leftypower]

Right? hell you can't even beleive words spoken directly by GM's coaches, let alone "reliable sources" at this time of year. George Paton said just yesterday, "Jerry Juedy will be with us going forward"..I don't buy it for a second. If he will, why aren't you picking up his option?

Just starting with the consensus #1 fantasy guy. .... he's been strongly linked to; ATL, DAL, BUF, PHI, and now BAL - each with differing trade/move scenarios. A few are even saying today that he won't be the 1st RB taken. .... Clear as mud, it just doesn't get any clearer than that these days - - that is, until tomorrow night. ....

 

[leftypower]

Guys with Allgeier and Swift stock - -

 

[eaglesnut]

Guys with Allgeier and Swift stock - -
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Also sucks for the rookies. Allgeier will take carries. So will Swift.

 

[TREFF]

Also sucks for the rookies. Allgeier will take carries. So will Swift.

Meh, Allgeier will spell a series or so, and on occasion for a breather. He's not taking significant snaps from a guy they spent a top 10 pick on.

And I'll be very surprised if Swift is still a Lion come week one

 

[obxyankeefan]

Guys with Allgeier and Swift stock - -
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I see what you did there and since I have both in D1 I agree with this guy.

 

[averagejoe]

Prior to yesterday i was content with Monty and Allgeier in D2.

Today?

 

[leftypower]

Prior to yesterday i was content with Monty and Allgeier in D2.

Today?

Yep, fortunes can change on a dime in the Not-For-Long ......

 

[averagejoe]

Yep, fortunes can change on a dime in the Not-For-Long ......

The trek up Golden Mountain is not a quest for the faint of heart.

 

[wilwhite]

Meh, Allgeier will spell a series or so, and on occasion for a breather. He's not taking significant snaps from a guy they spent a top 10 pick on.

Falcon RBs might combine for 600 touches this year. I expect Allgeier to be close to AJ Dillon numbers even as second fiddle.

Makes it a lot easier for Ridder to be successful. Falcons need another WR but apart from that their skill positions look damn good.

 

[TREFF]

Falcon RBs might combine for 600 touches this year. I expect Allgeier to be close to AJ Dillon numbers even as second fiddle.

Makes it a lot easier for Ridder to be successful. Falcons need another WR but apart from that their skill positions look damn good.

entirely probable. The overall point being, you don't draft a RB inside the top 10, and then not give the guy 250, 275, 300+ touches-unless he's injured at some point

 

[averagejoe]

Falcon RBs might combine for 600 touches this year. I expect Allgeier to be close to AJ Dillon numbers even as second fiddle.

Makes it a lot easier for Ridder to be successful. Falcons need another WR but apart from that their skill positions look damn good.

I do like scenario as an Allgeier owner. But still....

 

[leftypower]

Falcon RBs might combine for 600 touches this year. I expect Allgeier to be close to AJ Dillon numbers even as second fiddle.

Makes it a lot easier for Ridder to be successful. Falcons need another WR but apart from that their skill positions look damn good.

I'll say this - that is exactly what I'd be hoping for IF I had any Allgeier stock. ....

 

[leftypower]

Talk about a fall from grace - -

Eagles acquired RB D'Andre Swift from the Lions for a 2025 fourth-round pick.​

 

[leftypower]

Meh, Allgeier will spell a series or so, and on occasion for a breather. He's not taking significant snaps from a guy they spent a top 10 pick on.

And I'll be very surprised if Swift is still a Lion come week one

 

[leftypower]

Talk about a fall from grace - -

Eagles acquired RB D'Andre Swift from the Lions for a 2025 fourth-round pick.​

Not a bad landing spot though. .... with only Penny (an injury waiting to happen) and Gainwell to contend with think that's as good as he could hope for.

 

[averagejoe]

Not a bad landing spot though. .... with only Penny (an injury waiting to happen) and Gainwell to contend with think that's as good as he could hope for.

Heard that Penny pulled a muscle jumping from his chair after he heard the deal.

 

[TREFF]

Heard that Penny pulled a muscle jumping from his chair after he heard the deal.

Probably tore a quad

 

[leftypower]

I'm thinking the Lions had the same opinion on Swift as @TREFF did on Alfred Morris. ....

 

[TREFF]

@broncosmitty

Hey I moved this out of the draft thread b4 we hijacked it entirely, but I'm intrigued and wanted more thoughts on this-

"Even if he can handle it it’s a horrible pick. Bijon was a horrible pick imo. These are RBs. You can’t take them that early and expect your team to flourish. (Talking real football. These are clearly the top two picks in rookie dynasty)



First round RBs average like .2 yards per carry more than everyone else who has ever carried the ball."

So the bolded part, do you happen to know anything about how this figure was derived? Are we talking all time history, or the past decade or so? And, If slappies like CEH are included in a first rounders YPC for the purposes of this figure, are the hundreds, if not thousands, of backs who've never amounted to anything, many of whom never played a down, factored into it? Or are we just talking "qualifiers"?

And if just qualifiers, well than it's a very skewed, very flawed statistic. All 1st rounders get enough touches to be qualifiers, just the nature of the beast. Like previously mentioned, you don't draft a RB in the first if you don't plan on giving them the ball- thus every #1 is going to be a 'qualifier', even the crappy one. Only the really good ones of those selected in later rounds earn enough touches to be 'qualifiers'.

If the question is, is a RB worth a first round pick, the answer isn't dependant upon the YPC of a #1 vs any other round, the answer would be what percentage of first round RB's go on to 'x quantity if success' vs the percentages of those drafted later go on to have the same 'x quantity of success', because now we're not just counting the hits of later rounds vs all #1's, bust and hits, rather all those later round misses and hits, vs all the #1 busts and hits.

The .2 yoc more stat reeks a little of an argument that boils down to why bother taking a QB in the first when you can win six SBs with a 6th rounder- never mind those 500 other qb's drafted in the 6th who've never played a down

 

[broncosmitty]

@broncosmitty

Hey I moved this out of the draft thread b4 we hijacked it entirely, but I'm intrigued and wanted more thoughts on this-

"Even if he can handle it it’s a horrible pick. Bijon was a horrible pick imo. These are RBs. You can’t take them that early and expect your team to flourish. (Talking real football. These are clearly the top two picks in rookie dynasty)



First round RBs average like .2 yards per carry more than everyone else who has ever carried the ball."

So the bolded part, do you happen to know anything about how this figure was derived? Are we talking all time history, or the past decade or so? And, If slappies like CEH are included in a first rounders YPC for the purposes of this figure, are the hundreds, if not thousands, of backs who've never amounted to anything, many of whom never played a down, factored into it? Or are we just talking "qualifiers"?

And if just qualifiers, well than it's a very skewed, very flawed statistic. All 1st rounders get enough touches to be qualifiers, just the nature of the beast. Like previously mentioned, you don't draft a RB in the first if you don't plan on giving them the ball- thus every #1 is going to be a 'qualifier', even the crappy one. Only the really good ones of those selected in later rounds earn enough touches to be 'qualifiers'.

If the question is, is a RB worth a first round pick, the answer isn't dependant upon the YPC of a #1 vs any other round, the answer would be what percentage of first round RB's go on to 'x quantity if success' vs the percentages of those drafted later go on to have the same 'x quantity of success', because now we're not just counting the hits of later rounds vs all #1's, bust and hits, rather all those later round misses and hits, vs all the #1 busts and hits.

The .2 yoc more stat reeks a little of an argument that boils down to why bother taking a QB in the first when you can win six SBs with a 6th rounder- never mind those 500 other qb's drafted in the 6th who've never played a down

Sorry, missed this somehow while I was sitting in the dentist’s chair.

I don’t know if that stat was alltime or this century or this decade. Only know it showed the YPC difference between a first rounder and your average guy was very minimal.

I do know we now are at 53 RBs in the first this century. And for every Josh Jacobs that eventually leads the league in rushing, there is a Trung Candidate or Jahvid Best.

Here’s that list of names. 1st-round running backs - Fantasy Index

A quarterback is more valuable than any other position in sports. I don’t think Tom Brady being the worlds greatest winner as a sixth rounder changes the value of getting one in the draft. We’ve never seen QB valued higher than it was this draft.