POLL} The Best Overall Hitter In The Past 30 Years ?......

[broncosmitty]

Yes, we know that Aaron played longer.

Let's isolate the arguments for a second. Do you believe that Aaron was both the better hitter AND better overall player? Or do you believe that Aaron was simply the better hitter while Mays was the better overall player?

He's as homer as it gets.

 

[broncosmitty]

Justin was never down.

For months at a time he is. But not for a season.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Bonds never had a 40 hr season till 1993 when he was 28 years old.

Ken Griffey Jr carried a .494 slugging percentage and never hit more than 27 HR until... Wait for it... Wait for it... 1993, when his SLG jumped to .617 and he hit 45 HR. What were you saying about 1993? Oh, yeah, I remember:

That is also the year PEDs became prevalent in MLB.

No way he juiced though, right?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Let's isolate the arguments for a second. Do you believe that Aaron was both the better hitter AND better overall player? Or do you believe that Aaron was simply the better hitter while Mays was the better overall player?

You know what I believe? I believe @BallsOfFurry wears a digital watch, velcro shoes and a soft helmet.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Yes, we know that Aaron played longer.

Let's isolate the arguments for a second. Do you believe that Aaron was both the better hitter AND better overall player? Or do you believe that Aaron was simply the better hitter while Mays was the better overall player?

Overall it's very, very close.
Here are some facts to ponder...

Years leading NL in runs..Aaron 3 Mays 2
Years leading NL in hits Aaron 2 Mays 1
Years leading NL in doubles Aaron 4 Mays 0
Years leading NL in triples Aaron 0 Mays 4
Years leading NL in HRs Aaron 4 Mays 3
Years leading NL in extra base hits Aaron 5 Mays 2
Years leading NL in total bases Aaron 8 Mays 3
Years leading NL in RBIs Aaron 4 Mays 0
Years leading NL in steals Aaron 0 Mays 4

Career stats
HR Aaron 755 mays 660
Doubles Aaron 624 Mays 523
Extra base hits Aaron 1477 Mays 1323
Triples Aaron 98 Mays 140
Stolen bases Aaron 240 mays 338
Walks Aaron 1383 Mays 1526
Intentional walks Aaron 293 Mays 192
On base % Aaron .384 Mays ,374
Slugging Aaron .555 Mays .557
Sac flys Aaron 121 Mays 91
Grounded into double plays Aaron 251 Mays 328
Out field assist Aaron 201 Mays 195

Objectively look at those figures as if you don't know either player.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Also, Bonds used to the max, he was caught and has confessed.

Link?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Ken Griffey Jr carried a .494 slugging percentage and never hit more than 27 HR until... Wait for it... Wait for it... 1993, when his SLG jumped to .617 and he hit 45 HR. What were you saying about 1993? Oh, yeah, I remember:


No way he juiced though, right?

Well he was just 23 years old in 1993, so it looks like a normal progression.
He was too afflicted with back issues to be juicing in my opinion.
Mark McGuire couldn't play with his back, he juiced and was superman, He stopped juicing and the back was finished.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Link?

You're kidding, everybody knows that.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

You know what I believe? I believe @BallsOfFurry wears a digital watch, velcro shoes and a soft helmet.

Stop thinking, you'll hurt yourself.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

You're kidding, everybody knows that.

You mean, like, how everyone knows Manny Ramirez was suspended twice for PEDs?

 

[soxfan1468927]

Overall it's very, very close.
Here are some facts to ponder...

Years leading NL in runs..Aaron 3 Mays 2
Years leading NL in hits Aaron 2 Mays 1
Years leading NL in doubles Aaron 4 Mays 0
Years leading NL in triples Aaron 0 Mays 4
Years leading NL in HRs Aaron 4 Mays 3
Years leading NL in extra base hits Aaron 5 Mays 2
Years leading NL in total bases Aaron 8 Mays 3
Years leading NL in RBIs Aaron 4 Mays 0
Years leading NL in steals Aaron 0 Mays 4

Career stats
HR Aaron 755 mays 660
Doubles Aaron 624 Mays 523
Extra base hits Aaron 1477 Mays 1323
Triples Aaron 98 Mays 140
Stolen bases Aaron 240 mays 338
Walks Aaron 1383 Mays 1526
Intentional walks Aaron 293 Mays 192
On base % Aaron .384 Mays ,374
Slugging Aaron .555 Mays .557
Sac flys Aaron 121 Mays 91
Grounded into double plays Aaron 251 Mays 328
Out field assist Aaron 201 Mays 195

Objectively look at those figures as if you don't know either player.

I have no bias towards the players so it doesn't matter if I know them or not.

But you have railed against using stats that are team dependent, and then use them in this argument? You also choose to use those stats and ignore the stat that you said is the best indicator of a how good a hitter is, and that's OPS. And you chose to ignore that stat because it doesn't fit your argument.

Here's a couple things, you choose to use "leading the league" but that has to be taken into context, especially when the numbers are very close. If Player A leads the league in runs 3 times and Player B leads the league in runs 2 times, it doesn't tell me much. Player A may have been outside the top 50 in the other seasons while Player B could have been 2nd in 15 other seasons. Obviously that isn't the case here, but we can't just look at these to make any sort of definitive argument. You understand?

There are stats in there that I value. I do not care about the others.

OBP: You have the numbers switched. Mays has the .384 OBP while Aaron has the .374.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Stop thinking, you'll hurt yourself.

Please, son. I took a shit this morning that has hardier cognitive abilities than you've got.

 

[soxfan1468927]

You're kidding, everybody knows that.

I've asked this a few times, but you still haven't answered. What rule did Bonds break and what was the punishment for that rule being broken?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

But you have railed against using stats that are team dependent, and then use them in this argument? You also choose to use those stats and ignore the stat that you said is the best indicator of a how good a hitter is, and that's OPS. And you chose to ignore that stat because it doesn't fit your argument.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

I've asked this a few times, but you still haven't answered. What rule did Bonds break and what was the punishment for that rule being broken?

He was caught with his dick out on the SF subway.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

OPS is the best measure of overall hitting in my opinion.

Career OPS
Aaron - .928
Mays - .941

Aaron's career hitting was slightly better than Mays' though.

"OPS is the best measure of overall hitting, except when it's not"

lolz

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Career OPS
Aaron - .928
Mays - .941



"OPS is the best measure of overall hitting, except when it's not"

lolz

That is a simplistic view stinky foot.

 

[soxfan1468927]

He was caught with his dick out on the SF subway.

So you don't think maybe you should question your beliefs when 1. You claim a guy cheated, but you can't tell me what rule he broke or the punishment for that rule, and 2. You twist yourself into a pretzel to make an argument using stats that you've previously claimed don't have value.

 

[williewilliejuan]

He was caught with his dick out on the SF subway.

That isn't against the law. In fact, it is encouraged.

 

[Voltaire26]

I have no bias towards the players so it doesn't matter if I know them or not.

But you have railed against using stats that are team dependent, and then use them in this argument? You also choose to use those stats and ignore the stat that you said is the best indicator of a how good a hitter is, and that's OPS. And you chose to ignore that stat because it doesn't fit your argument.

Here's a couple things, you choose to use "leading the league" but that has to be taken into context, especially when the numbers are very close. If Player A leads the league in runs 3 times and Player B leads the league in runs 2 times, it doesn't tell me much. Player A may have been outside the top 50 in the other seasons while Player B could have been 2nd in 15 other seasons. Obviously that isn't the case here, but we can't just look at these to make any sort of definitive argument. You understand?

There are stats in there that I value. I do not care about the others.

OBP: You have the numbers switched. Mays has the .384 OBP while Aaron has the .374.

OBP+SLG ... Aaron .929 (41st)
Mays .941 (29th)
Bonds 1.051 (4th)
Ruth 1.163 (1st)