politics thread

[Sharkinva]

I do.

But I can also see the virtue in fighting for equality.

I DONT see virtue in demanding somebody stand for the flag to work for you though.

And yes I have been to other countries. What a weird assumption.

@ehb5 @gkekoa Figured I would drag this over to where it belongs.

Now for my two cents. Most of the people outraged at the players kneeling could care less about the act of kneeling. They are bothered by WHY the players are kneeling. If they were kneeling to show respect to left handed autistic kids who have lost a nut in a tragic blender accident, no one would care. But the truth is, they cant come out and say these black players have no right to protest the treatment of non whites by this country, so they scream about disrespecting the flag and the service men who it stands for.

 

[skinsdad62]

@ehb5 @gkekoa Figured I would drag this over to where it belongs.

Now for my two cents. Most of the people outraged at the players kneeling could care less about the act of kneeling. They are bothered by WHY the players are kneeling. If they were kneeling to show respect to left handed autistic kids who have lost a nut in a tragic blender accident, no one would care. But the truth is, they cant come out and say these black players have no right to protest the treatment of non whites by this country, so they scream about disrespecting the flag and the service men who it stands for.

well i dont see it that way , i dont want politics entering into my escape which is pro football . i fought in 7 conflicts for you to have free speech and i guess burning the flag or kneeling is exactly that . however i wont listen to your valid point of view if you disrespect the country . the flag is a symbol and a rallying point for the country hence i wont give these players their voice until they quit poking a finger in my eye .

but the main thing is i dont want political intrusions on my escape . damn i can watch cable news if i want that . i dont give a fuck about kaeps view or bennet's view on anything from gun control to abortion to socialism to any damn thing . i watch football games to escape . not to be reminded of this shit 24-7

 

[Sharkinva]

well i dont see it that way , i dont want politics entering into my escape which is pro football . i fought in 7 conflicts for you to have free speech and i guess burning the flag or kneeling is exactly that . however i wont listen to your valid point of view if you disrespect the country . the flag is a symbol and a rallying point for the country hence i wont give these players their voice until they quit poking a finger in my eye .

but the main thing is i dont want political intrusions on my escape . damn i can watch cable news if i want that . i dont give a fuck about kaeps view or bennet's view on anything from gun control to abortion to socialism to any damn thing . i watch football games to escape . not to be reminded of this shit 24-7

While I Respect your opinion, I will also point out its counter productive nature.

If the NFL is supposed to be an escape from the political. The quickest way to take that out of the conversation would be to stop the fly overs, asking Veterans to stand and be saluted before the game ECT.

But again, I think MOST (not all) of the people showing massive outrage over this only GOT outraged once they found out why he was kneeling. As Kaep knelt for a full six games before any one asked WHY he was doing it. Once he said WHY he was kneeling, all hell broke loose.

 

[gkekoa]

@ehb5 @gkekoa Figured I would drag this over to where it belongs.

Now for my two cents. Most of the people outraged at the players kneeling could care less about the act of kneeling. They are bothered by WHY the players are kneeling. If they were kneeling to show respect to left handed autistic kids who have lost a nut in a tragic blender accident, no one would care. But the truth is, they cant come out and say these black players have no right to protest the treatment of non whites by this country, so they scream about disrespecting the flag and the service men who it stands for.

I have a problem for kneeling during the anthem because I see it as protesting the US. The US is not perfect but it is the greatest country in the world.

As for why blacks are protesting, I believe much of it begins with ignorance. If you are defending Michael Brown, then I believe it is ignorance. You can’t start a movement talking about equality after wearing cop pig socks.

The biggest problem is there is only bitching and no suggestions.

 

[skinsdad62]

While I Respect your opinion, I will also point out its counter productive nature.

If the NFL is supposed to be an escape from the political. The quickest way to take that out of the conversation would be to stop the fly overs, asking Veterans to stand and be saluted before the game ECT.

But again, I think MOST (not all) of the people showing massive outrage over this only GOT outraged once they found out why he was kneeling. As Kaep knelt for a full six games before any one asked WHY he was doing it. Once he said WHY he was kneeling, all hell broke loose.

well that can be stopped too i guess

 

[Rowdy]

I don’t see recognizing veterans as a political thing

 

[Sportster 72]

I rather see Vets applauded than the way they were treated during and after Vietnam.

 

[Sharkinva]

I rather see Vets applauded than the way they were treated during and after Vietnam.

I 100% agree.

But as I have stated, I think the whole well he is disrespecting the Veterans angle was brought out to deflect from the real point of him kneeling in the first place. And no it wasn't to defend Mike Brown, it was to point out the social and legal acceptance of profiling that still goes on. Was Brown innocent?? Hardly. But the real issue is the police assumed he was guilty and played Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

 

[gkekoa]

I 100% agree.

But as I have stated, I think the whole well he is disrespecting the Veterans angle was brought out to deflect from the real point of him kneeling in the first place. And no it wasn't to defend Mike Brown, it was to point out the social and legal acceptance of profiling that still goes on. Was Brown innocent?? Hardly. But the real issue is the police assumed he was guilty and played Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

Brown fit the description of a criminal, was indeed a criminal, was walking down the middle of the street, assaulted an officer...but the police played judge, jury and executioner? The police tried to stop him and question him. He attacked.

 

[Sharkinva]

Brown fit the description of a criminal, was indeed a criminal, was walking down the middle of the street, assaulted an officer...but the police played judge, jury and executioner? The police tried to stop him and question him. He attacked.

And as I have said many times, Brown isn't the problem. Its the fit the description part. Entirely too often the description starts and ends with non-white.

 

[Stymietee]

The US is not perfect but it is the greatest country in the world.

Based on what exactly? Just because it's repeated Ad nauseam (without proof mind you) doesn't make it so. There are rankings about this, and, in my best dating game announcer voice...Heeeere they are:

Best Countries - Rankings, News, Country Profiles | US ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries

Now ask me if I've visited and/or lived in other countries!

 

[Sportster 72]

I 100% agree.

But as I have stated, I think the whole well he is disrespecting the Veterans angle was brought out to deflect from the real point of him kneeling in the first place. And no it wasn't to defend Mike Brown, it was to point out the social and legal acceptance of profiling that still goes on. Was Brown innocent?? Hardly. But the real issue is the police assumed he was guilty and played Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

I don't want to get into a political post but I want to give you some of the thoughts from others or in this case me. I do not disagree that racial profilinig still exists, it probably always will and that in itself is sad.

Lets take another look though. I am going to use Baltimore as my example. Look what happened there. Freddie Gray is dead, the State Attorney comes out and basically finds the 5 or 6 cops guilty on day 1. The city erupts in rioting. When the dust settles not one policeman was found guilty.

This is just one case but certainly not the first where the cops were exonerated.

The culprit ..... the news. They fall all over themselves to report and killing of a black person by a white cop and basically try the guy in the news. Rarely do you hear them say "oops my bad." Rarely do you see a HUGE news story when a white copy is killed by a black guy. This in a nutshell is the problem for all involved, black, white and cops of any color.

I commend Kaep for his stance. I do not agree with the vehicle he is using. Jim Brown and I agree in this idea.

We can guess why 80% or whatever number you used is against his or any protesting by kneeling during the anthem. I suspect there are many reasons, some good, some in between and some not so good. However I do not want to be counted in the bad category so I am giving my reason.

I mentioned Vietnam era vets. Really that could have been considered political also but however the treatment they received was unwarranted. The protests that went on around the country, around the world and in music were mostly right. Of course we can now look back 40-50 years and see that. But want those vets went through was wrong and misguided. Sometimes it is good to come up with a better plan.

 

[gkekoa]

And as I have said many times, Brown isn't the problem. Its the fit the description part. Entirely too often the description starts and ends with non-white.

How do you catch any criminal without a description?

Victim- I would like to report theft and assault within a convenience store.

Cops- Can we get a description?

Victim- He is a black man.

Cops- We can’t use those features because they are actually descriptive and we could get in trouble.


Entirely too often the description is non-white and it is accurate.

 

[gkekoa]

Based on what exactly? Just because it's repeated Ad nauseam (without proof mind you) doesn't make it so. There are rankings about this, and, in my best dating game announcer voice...Heeeere they are:

Best Countries - Rankings, News, Country Profiles | US ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries

Now ask me if I've visited and/or lived in other countries!

Well you posted an actual article. You aren’t sounding entitled.

Switzerland- 85% European, less than 5% African (no statistics on blacks)
Canada- 77% European, 14% Asian, 3% black
Germany-92% German, 3% black
UK- 87% white, 7% Asian, 3% black
Japan-98% Japanese...couldn’t even find information about black people in Japan
Sweden- 92% white...approximately 1% black
Australia- hard to break down but mostly Australian and European...1.6% black

So in your article, did it say how the rankings were determined? Please note the homogenous nature of those ranked ahead of the US. Feel free to say what you will.

 

[reptec101]

I don't want to get into a political post but I want to give you some of the thoughts from others or in this case me. I do not disagree that racial profilinig still exists, it probably always will and that in itself is sad.

Lets take another look though. I am going to use Baltimore as my example. Look what happened there. Freddie Gray is dead, the State Attorney comes out and basically finds the 5 or 6 cops guilty on day 1. The city erupts in rioting. When the dust settles not one policeman was found guilty.

This is just one case but certainly not the first where the cops were exonerated.

The culprit ..... the news. They fall all over themselves to report and killing of a black person by a white cop and basically try the guy in the news. Rarely do you hear them say "oops my bad." Rarely do you see a HUGE news story when a white copy is killed by a black guy. This in a nutshell is the problem for all involved, black, white and cops of any color.

I commend Kaep for his stance. I do not agree with the vehicle he is using. Jim Brown and I agree in this idea.

We can guess why 80% or whatever number you used is against his or any protesting by kneeling during the anthem. I suspect there are many reasons, some good, some in between and some not so good. However I do not want to be counted in the bad category so I am giving my reason.

I mentioned Vietnam era vets. Really that could have been considered political also but however the treatment they received was unwarranted. The protests that went on around the country, around the world and in music were mostly right. Of course we can now look back 40-50 years and see that. But want those vets went through was wrong and misguided. Sometimes it is good to come up with a better plan.

Hey Sports,,, we don't talk about obvious things around here. Only things of how the individual sees it... based on color and political position. Now please... no more common sense.

 

[reptec101]

Well you posted an actual article. You aren’t sounding entitled.

Switzerland- 85% European, less than 5% African (no statistics on blacks)
Canada- 77% European, 14% Asian, 3% black
Germany-92% German, 3% black
UK- 87% white, 7% Asian, 3% black
Japan-98% Japanese...couldn’t even find information about black people in Japan
Sweden- 92% white...approximately 1% black
Australia- hard to break down but mostly Australian and European...1.6% black

So in your article, did it say how the rankings were determined? Please note the homogenous nature of those ranked ahead of the US. Feel free to say what you will.

So silly to rank best places to live and I understand you're not the one Gkek disputing that America is the greatest and always will be. Just picked your post since you had demographics on race. Take for instance Switzerland... So they are ranked number one best place to live. Stymie decides to move there based on the rankings. Stymie discovers when he's lived there for a bit that it ain't such a great place for blacks and other non-white folk. America will always be the best place to live for all races.... and even illegals. Sorry, couldn't resist. There is more opportunity here for minorities than anywhere else in the world... that aint a shithole, that is. Not sure why that's so hard to except for some. People protest this country, and yes, work is needed to ensure quality and fair balance.... but damn, to hate the one place that gives you the best chance. I'll never understand.

 

[skinsdad62]

Based on what exactly? Just because it's repeated Ad nauseam (without proof mind you) doesn't make it so. There are rankings about this, and, in my best dating game announcer voice...Heeeere they are:

Best Countries - Rankings, News, Country Profiles | US ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries

Now ask me if I've visited and/or lived in other countries!

are ANY of those countries asked to do what we are throughout the world ? Not one of those countries could survive an attack without the US and the taxpayer paying for their defense .
now lets talk about UN . we contribute 48% of the earnings the UN gets in fees . the other 190 countries get the other 52% let that sink in 190 countries .

lets move to Nato we contribute well over 75 % of the fees to keep that a float as well . now some of these "better / richer " countries dont pay nearly what we pay , dont contribute nearly what our govt in troops or money for peace keeping missions or humanitarian aid combined

now the above is govt aid and duties we havent even gotten to private donations to help cure diseases, recovery from disasters , feeding people as well , help with education , enviromental protection and a wide range of things US involvement occurs

so yeah maybe if the entire picture was taken into account perhaps we are and if not we are damn close

you think the description of Ted Bundy omitted his race ? or any other serial killer ? or terrorist ? or car jacker? or mafia leader ?

geez i have been stopped at least 3 times by police dept in CA , TX and AL and my only crime was being white and driving a particular style of vehicle . guns were drawn by the way . i was saved because i followed police instructions

as for kaep he doesnt get one ounce of credit from me when you wear socks depicting cops as pigs and support a murderous communist thug like castro or CHE . nor does bennett when he straight up lies about what happened to him in vegas which was proven by tapes of the incident . hands up dont shoot never happened as the DOJ's eric holder found out and eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence proved it did not

most cops , by a huge number , are not racist and do their jobs the right way the few that are need to be weeded out for sure and prosecuted . police shootings are extremely rare like 1200 in 4 million arrests . killings in those shootings are even lower , and non justifiable ones are fewer still

lastly racism is a word that will shortly have no real meaning if its brought up in every scenario from environmentalism to tax cuts to immigration to health care

 

[ehb5]

I 100% agree.

But as I have stated, I think the whole well he is disrespecting the Veterans angle was brought out to deflect from the real point of him kneeling in the first place. And no it wasn't to defend Mike Brown, it was to point out the social and legal acceptance of profiling that still goes on. Was Brown innocent?? Hardly. But the real issue is the police assumed he was guilty and played Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

Especially when it's consistently pointed out that the protest isn't against the US as a whole or veterans at all. And that many veterans support the protest...

 

[ehb5]

@gkekoa I'd love to know how anything I've said ok this issue makes me sound like a spoiled or entitled American

 

[skinsdad62]

Especially when it's consistently pointed out that the protest isn't against the US as a whole or veterans at all. And that many veterans support the protest...

kaep's actions say otherwise