politics thread

[gkekoa]

Dude, have you forgotten HOW this country was formed?? Again, simple solution. abolish the electoral college. Rely on the popular vote and give EVERY American Citizen a right to vote in the most important process our country has. Get rid of the well this is my party and I have no choice but to vote for this guy mentality. Because at the ed of the day if they went off of the popular vote, neither Clinton or Trump would have won.

A true independent has zero shot because the system is designed to prevent a wild card. If you arent registered with a party, you are not even allowed to vote in the primaries.

I haven't forgotten at all. I am wondering if you remember. We were founded as 13 original colonies each with a vote on how things are done. Why should a person from California be able to vote on the things that affect us in Florida? The popular vote unfairly rewards states with larger populations and essentially makes only the votes in California, New York, Texas, and Florida important. The other 46 states just have to deal with it.

This is where we go different ways. The primaries this year saw three lifetime political democrats going after their parties nomination. On the republican side, we had three complete political outsiders, one of which has been a democrat. He won the nomination from the supposedly close-minded republican voters.

If Trump and Hillary wouldn't have won the popular vote, who would have?

If you are not registered with a party, why should you be able to vote in the primaries? I think Hillary would have loved to go against Jeb Bush. So if liberals could vote in republican primaries, liberals would vote for the worst possible candidate.

 

[gkekoa]

Haven't you assumed that most people who are democrats or Liberals as you term them, have become such because they want some sort of government hand out?

But yes most people ASSUME based on what they have either

1. Experienced
2. In a lot more cases been told or taught.

Not entiely. The democratic platform (major issues) is pro-abortion, anti-speech, anti-2nd amendment, anti states rights, pro-big government, pro-government spending, and pro-special interests. That is their platform. Liberals will always vote to take away other people's money.

I chose to use your words and put them in the same context in which you used them. You said Americans, lumped all of us together as racist bigots to include yourself, see Puerto Ricans as Mexicans and not Americans. So I used the black platform of we aren't all the same so judge me for me as a rebuttal.

I know why people assume...it just doesn't make them right.

 

[Sharkinva]

I haven't forgotten at all. I am wondering if you remember. We were founded as 13 original colonies each with a vote on how things are done. Why should a person from California be able to vote on the things that affect us in Florida? The popular vote unfairly rewards states with larger populations and essentially makes only the votes in California, New York, Texas, and Florida important. The other 46 states just have to deal with it.

This is where we go different ways. The primaries this year saw three lifetime political democrats going after their parties nomination. On the republican side, we had three complete political outsiders, one of which has been a democrat. He won the nomination from the supposedly close-minded republican voters.

If Trump and Hillary wouldn't have won the popular vote, who would have?

If you are not registered with a party, why should you be able to vote in the primaries? I think Hillary would have loved to go against Jeb Bush. So if liberals could vote in republican primaries, liberals would vote for the worst possible candidate.

My honest take is Bernie Sanders would have won if he were on the ballot and the popular vote counted. Say what you will about him being a socialist. But what we ended up with were the two worst possible choices.

Also, since the ONLY thing the electoral college affects is the presidential vote, your idea that California would be making votes to affect Florida are a bit off base. Yes it would mean that a state with a larger population would affect who the President is in the end, but seeing the direction we are going in, that actually might not be a bad thing.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not entiely. The democratic platform (major issues) is pro-abortion, anti-speech, anti-2nd amendment, anti states rights, pro-big government, pro-government spending, and pro-special interests. That is their platform. Liberals will always vote to take away other people's money.

IM all for Pro Abortion because its not my place to FORCE some one to have a child. You cant be pro life, and get to play the you had the kid its not my problem card.

Anti Speech... speak all you want. Just dont get upset if some one points out the stupidity in what is being said.

IM fight with the right to bear Arms, how ever I do think in light of the growing number of out of control gun violence, the number and TYPE of arms need to be tracked at least, and possibly limited. There is NO real reason for some one to own enough mass capacity guns to outfit a small platoon.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Baker not being brought back to manage Nats next season. Probably for the best for both parties.

 

[gkekoa]

IM all for Pro Abortion because its not my place to FORCE some one to have a child. You cant be pro life, and get to play the you had the kid its not my problem card.

Anti Speech... speak all you want. Just dont get upset if some one points out the stupidity in what is being said.

IM fight with the right to bear Arms, how ever I do think in light of the growing number of out of control gun violence, the number and TYPE of arms need to be tracked at least, and possibly limited. There is NO real reason for some one to own enough mass capacity guns to outfit a small platoon.

So is it your place to tell somebody not to kill their two year old? Six month old? Six minute old?

You can play that card because the person can give up the child for adoption.

Ben Shapiro and conservative speakers can't go to Berkeley without a riot.

What is the purpose of tracking if not to confiscate eventually? Would those limitations have stopped any of the crimes? Collection, good deals, practice all are legit reasons.

 

[gkekoa]

My honest take is Bernie Sanders would have won if he were on the ballot and the popular vote counted. Say what you will about him being a socialist. But what we ended up with were the two worst possible choices.

Also, since the ONLY thing the electoral college affects is the presidential vote, your idea that California would be making votes to affect Florida are a bit off base. Yes it would mean that a state with a larger population would affect who the President is in the end, but seeing the direction we are going in, that actually might not be a bad thing.

Sorry but each state should have the same say in the POTUS election, IMO. I like the electoral college more than the popular vote but I like the idea of each state with the same authority even more...like say the Seanate.

 

[Sharkinva]

So is it your place to tell somebody not to kill their two year old? Six month old? Six minute old?

You can play that card because the person can give up the child for adoption.

Ben Shapiro and conservative speakers can't go to Berkeley without a riot.

What is the purpose of tracking if not to confiscate eventually? Would those limitations have stopped any of the crimes? Collection, good deals, practice all are legit reasons.

1. Are you planning to adopt and/or help care for these children that you feel have the right to live? You going to help take care of that child that it was determined would be born handicapped?? You should have no right to force some one to have a child that YOU are not willing to help take care of. This is my problem with the pro life stance... you want to force them to have the child, but once its born.. well too bad if no one wants it, not your problem.

2. The purpose of tracking is to have the ability to confiscate if needed. Collecting, good deals, or just cause I want it is NOT a good reason and nut jobs have been abusing the second amendment to stockpile guns for years. Personally Im all for gun owners being REQUIRED to go through a yearly head shrink at this point if it will prevent some guy from sitting in a hotel window and blasting off at a concert.

 

[Breed]

Not a shocker. Whether rightly or wrongly. I think a lotta people, myself included, see Baker as if not a bad manager, than an unlucky one. And being unlucky/having bad luck at something can be as bad or worse than merely being bad at what it is you do.

 

[reptec101]

1. Are you planning to adopt and/or help care for these children that you feel have the right to live? You going to help take care of that child that it was determined would be born handicapped?? You should have no right to force some one to have a child that YOU are not willing to help take care of. This is my problem with the pro life stance... you want to force them to have the child, but once its born.. well too bad if no one wants it, not your problem.

2. The purpose of tracking is to have the ability to confiscate if needed. Collecting, good deals, or just cause I want it is NOT a good reason and nut jobs have been abusing the second amendment to stockpile guns for years. Personally Im all for gun owners being REQUIRED to go through a yearly head shrink at this point if it will prevent some guy from sitting in a hotel window and blasting off at a concert.

So this is where I agree with you on something,,lol.. In my belief if I was aborted at 1,2,3 or 4 months I seriously doubt I would have been there inside a womb saying "yo yo what the fuck".... Now at 5 plus months it becomes a bigger issue for obvious reasons, but for now lets assume the abortion takes place before the 4 month mark.

I cannot accept a law that tells a woman, or a couple, that they have to have their baby conceived from a r*pe from a thug low life gang member black, white or brown. I can't live with a law that tells the person they have to have their child whom they know will suffer from down syndrome or some other form of a life altering pain-stakingly disability. Abort the child and save all lives involved from a life long headache. I can assure you Helen Keller would rather not have lived how she lived.

Ya know,, sex is sex,, it feels damn good. teens are gonna have it,, teens are gonna get pregnant. 15 and 16 year olds should not be having kids, Its unfortunate but reality is reality. Putting a kid up for adoption is all fine and dandy if the couple seeking the children could 1; afford the outrageous fees, and 2; could be assured the kid didn't have drug dependent parents, or psychotic parents that conceived them. Could you imagine if everyone had to have their child that didn't want one for whatever reason. We'd have a nation of desperate kids without homes,, without hope... and that could only be a bad thing.

Now I agree that doctors sometimes could be wrong and the child would have been born normal in every regard... but thats the exception to the rule,,, Docs pretty much know what a child will be born like.

It's funny to think.. but if sex didn't have any feeling and was only performed to conceive a child we wouldnt have rapes, we wouldn't have unwanted pregnancies, we wouldn't have over population, we wouldn't have wars for the most part,,,, and we certainly wouldn't have abortions. If there is a God Id like to ask why he put feeling in sex in the first place. Perhaps to populate the world in the beginning,,, well ok,,, but once the ball got rolling,,, wave your hand and take feeling away. I dunno.

 

[gkekoa]

1. Are you planning to adopt and/or help care for these children that you feel have the right to live? You going to help take care of that child that it was determined would be born handicapped?? You should have no right to force some one to have a child that YOU are not willing to help take care of. This is my problem with the pro life stance... you want to force them to have the child, but once its born.. well too bad if no one wants it, not your problem.

2. The purpose of tracking is to have the ability to confiscate if needed. Collecting, good deals, or just cause I want it is NOT a good reason and nut jobs have been abusing the second amendment to stockpile guns for years. Personally Im all for gun owners being REQUIRED to go through a yearly head shrink at this point if it will prevent some guy from sitting in a hotel window and blasting off at a concert.

1- Again, how about a two year old? Should the mother be able to murder her two year old? How about if I don't want to care for that child and the mother doesn't either? So let's get back to your question. I would love to adopt a child or two. Why does it cost close to 50k to do so? There is a long line of people that would love to adopt. What about personal accountability? A possible outcome of sex is children. Who knew?

2- Who decides if needed? Why do we not need a shrink to exercise our other rights? Theoretically, voting can cause much worse. How does it stop somebody like Adam Lanza from committing those crimes? He stole the guns he used. Who pays for the shrink? Now you want to further "tax" a natural right? Where does it stop?

 

[gkekoa]

So this is where I agree with you on something,,lol.. In my belief if I was aborted at 1,2,3 or 4 months I seriously doubt I would have been there inside a womb saying "yo yo what the fuck".... Now at 5 plus months it becomes a bigger issue for obvious reasons, but for now lets assume the abortion takes place before the 4 month mark.

I cannot accept a law that tells a woman, or a couple, that they have to have their baby conceived from a r*pe from a thug low life gang member black, white or brown. I can't live with a law that tells the person they have to have their child whom they know will suffer from down syndrome or some other form of a life altering pain-stakingly disability. Abort the child and save all lives involved from a life long headache. I can assure you Helen Keller would rather not have lived how she lived.

Ya know,, sex is sex,, it feels damn good. teens are gonna have it,, teens are gonna get pregnant. 15 and 16 year olds should not be having kids, Its unfortunate but reality is reality. Putting a kid up for adoption is all fine and dandy if the couple seeking the children could 1; afford the outrageous fees, and 2; could be assured the kid didn't have drug dependent parents, or psychotic parents that conceived them. Could you imagine if everyone had to have their child that didn't want one for whatever reason. We'd have a nation of desperate kids without homes,, without hope... and that could only be a bad thing.

Now I agree that doctors sometimes could be wrong and the child would have been born normal in every regard... but thats the exception to the rule,,, Docs pretty much know what a child will be born like.

It's funny to think.. but if sex didn't have any feeling and was only performed to conceive a child we wouldnt have rapes, we wouldn't have unwanted pregnancies, we wouldn't have over population, we wouldn't have wars for the most part,,,, and we certainly wouldn't have abortions. If there is a God Id like to ask why he put feeling in sex in the first place. Perhaps to populate the world in the beginning,,, well ok,,, but once the ball got rolling,,, wave your hand and take feeling away. I dunno.

It is interesting how you know how people feel. Isn't it crazy most of the people with ailments you mentioned do not commit suicide?

Less than .01% of abortions are done because of r*pe.

r*pe is typically about power...not feeling.

 

[Sharkinva]

1- Again, how about a two year old? Should the mother be able to murder her two year old? How about if I don't want to care for that child and the mother doesn't either? So let's get back to your question. I would love to adopt a child or two. Why does it cost close to 50k to do so? There is a long line of people that would love to adopt. What about personal accountability? A possible outcome of sex is children. Who knew?

2- Who decides if needed? Why do we not need a shrink to exercise our other rights? Theoretically, voting can cause much worse. How does it stop somebody like Adam Lanza from committing those crimes? He stole the guns he used. Who pays for the shrink? Now you want to further "tax" a natural right? Where does it stop?

1.. there are laws in place in this country that say a mother can surrender her children at ANY given time to any police station, Hospital or fire station in order to protect the childs well being. And these civil servant offices are NOT allowed to refuse. So there is zero reason for some one to kill a child they have been raising and caring for that they brought into this world.

That being said, we should not FORCE some one to bring a child into this world that will be unwanted, and likely neglected because of that fact. You might be willing to adopt one or two, but how about 1-2 thousand unwanted children?? I know you might say no child is an accident, but even in cases of marriage and consenting adults.. there is the occasional OPPS and fuck we cant afford another kid.

2. NO I dont want to tax a natural right. But there should be and NEED to be limits. If you NEED to have a garage full of guns as your hobby, you might actually need help. I can see 1, 2 maybe three. So fine, you can have all the guns you want/ Reality is, limit the number of bullets one can legally purchase for "recreation". YOu can have all the guns you want to protect yourself from the impending attack that will never reach our shores. Easy fix, forget the yearly shrink. You get caught with more than (X) rounds of Ammo, its a crime. I would be fine with that. Because I dont know about you, but if I need more than 5 shots, IM just being cruel for the sake of cruelty at that point.

 

[gkekoa]

1.. there are laws in place in this country that say a mother can surrender her children at ANY given time to any police station, Hospital or fire station in order to protect the childs well being. And these civil servant offices are NOT allowed to refuse. So there is zero reason for some one to kill a child they have been raising and caring for that they brought into this world.

That being said, we should not FORCE some one to bring a child into this world that will be unwanted, and likely neglected because of that fact. You might be willing to adopt one or two, but how about 1-2 thousand unwanted children?? I know you might say no child is an accident, but even in cases of marriage and consenting adults.. there is the occasional OPPS and fuck we cant afford another kid.

2. NO I dont want to tax a natural right. But there should be and NEED to be limits. If you NEED to have a garage full of guns as your hobby, you might actually need help. I can see 1, 2 maybe three. So fine, you can have all the guns you want/ Reality is, limit the number of bullets one can legally purchase for "recreation". YOu can have all the guns you want to protect yourself from the impending attack that will never reach our shores. Easy fix, forget the yearly shrink. You get caught with more than (X) rounds of Ammo, its a crime. I would be fine with that. Because I dont know about you, but if I need more than 5 shots, IM just being cruel for the sake of cruelty at that point.

1- There is zero reason to kill a child in the womb to then.

2- How do you plan on tracking the bullet purchases? What is the limit on bullets I can purchase? The only way to catch a person with too many bullets is if they are killing people.

 

[Stymietee]

Do you need me to break it down further? Better yet, let me ask, what state should Puerto Rican's be able to vote for electoral delegates being they are not residents of a state?

The same as residents of D.C, they are neither a state nor have a voting representative in congress and yet........

 

[Stymietee]

Disinformed? I have refuted everything you have said with information and facts. You are the one not backing up your statements.

Yes disinformed, you've done nothing but advance alternative, albeit incorrect retorts to....and this is the funny part....real information and facts that others including myself have posted.

 

[gkekoa]

Yes disinformed, you've done nothing but advance alternative, albeit incorrect retorts to....and this is the funny part....real information and facts that others including myself have posted.

Show me one alternative fact or two.

 

[Stymietee]

Again...show me the racism. Prove to me that laws are not enforced equally among its citizens. Prove to me the government doesn't want a specific part of the population to succeed and show me he laws that are created to ensure a particular population falls.

Show me the cop, or any man, who unquestionably kills a man without cause and gets away with it.

I am not a globalist. I believe in sovereignty of a nation. Don't you?

Nice try, but that's the challenge that I've put to you.......you know that racism is a real thing. I said that it is a system (by the way to support white privilege/ supremacy built on the made up concept of white) you challenged that and as yet to prove it isn't.

BTW: I already know that you can't because historically "white" was introduced as a means to distinguish and justify Eurocentric slave trading and the dehumanizing of those who would be enslaved.

Just as a reminder, we've already debunked the notion of blacks "owning" slaves too so don't go there. It might also be wise NOT to infer or attempt to use the well worn BS about Africans selling their own people into slavery, especially since you've gone to great lengths in this thread to emphasize knowing right from wrong.

 

[gkekoa]

The same as residents of D.C, they are neither a state nor have a voting representative in congress and yet........

And yet they have electors thanks to the 23rd amendment. That is why they get to vote. All they need is a Constitutional Amendment and PR can vote.

 

[Sharkinva]

1- There is zero reason to kill a child in the womb to then.

2- How do you plan on tracking the bullet purchases? What is the limit on bullets I can purchase? The only way to catch a person with too many bullets is if they are killing people.

There are plenty of VALID reasons to terminate a pregnancy. Primarily if you are bringing a child into the world unwanted. Its awesome to think Sex should only be done to procreate. But Im willing to bet that once or twice you have rolled up on old girl, cause them jeans was just doing it for you. Now if you then found out a month later she was pregnant and you went.. .AWESOME!! Another little republican, and you could afford that bundle of joy.. great. But again no child should be brought into this world unwanted.

As for how do you track bullet purchases?? Same way you track car purchases. PRovide your ID. And if you walk into a Car Dealership and drop 70K in cash for that new what ever, the IRS knows you paid cash for it before the tags are even registered with the DMV. Honestly, limit the AMOUNT of Ammo you can buy in one shot. Link total Ammo purchase to ones ID, problem solved. If Billy Bob, or Ahmed want to purchase 9000 rounds inside a week, great, let them. Just make sure we know where they are firing these rounds off.