politics thread

[gkekoa]

Can you explain what Trump is doing that is so great and why it is making America great, in detail?

1- SCOTUS nominations. He is going with constitutional judges instead of political activists that are perverting their own job. Like I said, this was the single biggest reason I voted Trump. Here is hoping RBG drops next and soon.

2- Tax cuts. Giving the people who are working more of their own earned money. There is nothing more fair than me having more of what I earn.

3- Unemployment rates in the black, Latino, and female categories are at historically low numbers while the workforce participation rate is at an all time high.

4- He is actually closer to negotiating peace with North Korea than any other POTUS has ever had us.

5- He is actually being tougher on Russia, than any POTUS since the end of the Cold War.

6- He is standing against China and WTO is actually starting to act on the grievances they had already acknowledged.

7- He is letting our allies know that we recognize their abuses against us and we won’t have it any more. He called out Germany for having large surpluses but not living up to their NATO requirements, noting their hypocrisy of depending on Russia for 70% of their energy while Russia is their main fear militarily.

 

[gkekoa]

Why does it bother you more that Obama met with Farrakhan than

Trump assigning a white nationalist to his white house staff
Trump playing footsie with Kim Jun Un
Trump playing footsie with Recep Erdegon
Trump all but declaring his undying love for Vladimir Putin

Farrakhan is a militant American hater.

White nationalist...definition please.

Kim...closer to peace than any other POTUS.

Erdegon? I am lazy...it is getting late.

He has been tougher on Putin than any POTUS since the Cold War.

 

[gkekoa]

All people are NOT treated equally under the law. BUt nice try.

All Children are afforded an education, but again not an equal education. hats like saying a degree from Trump University is equal to a degree from Harvard or Yale.

We have every few years some one (usually republicans) doing every thing they can to make sure that note all votes count evenly. Check Gerrymandering, and the electoral college for examples.

Again...the law is the law...if it isn’t illegal for one, it is illegal for all...except HRC. We both know there is no way to fully prove unequal treatment based on race alone under the law.

If those inner city children moved to where better teachers were, would they have the same opportunity? So, education isn’t bas3d on race then.

Can everybody vote? The answer is yes. Gerrymandering and the electoral college are Constitutional. We are not a democracy...you have been brain washed into thinking we are. Gerrymandering and the electoral college exist to ensure 1% of the land mass doesn’t control the other 99%.

 

[gkekoa]

ONe.. what reason would Belafonte have to lie??

Two,, you seem to whip out the name of MLK as some sort of you uppity black folks need to calm down and realize, we gave you better so how dare you want more??

Maybe you should listen to what the man said AFTER the civils rights movement. His words still ring true

No idea. I didn’t say he lied. I said allegedly because there is literally no proof. I mean who would ever have less than obvious motives for doing something.

Nope. I throw Dr. King out there when you want to be given things for the color of your skin and not the content of your character.

Oh, I read them. This isn’t 1968...things have changed immensely...and in the US today, a black man with a stellar education is the most privileged demographic in America.

 

[ehb5]

In short. SCOTUS, negotiating with the other countries about paying their fair share as the US has, trying to work with Congress in a bipartisan way, undoing what Obummer fucked up, dealing with NK. Man there’s just to much to list! Basically everything he said he’d do in the campaign unlike others who run for office he’s being true to his word.

Few more off the top of my head. Tax breaks, eliminating some of the regulations that kill businesses, keeping our manufacturers in our country, fair trade. Damn I’d where my finger out if I listed everything. Now your turn answer my question. What did Obummer accomplish? Oh, I can’t stop. Unemployment rate up, jobs everywhere ok I’m wearing my iPad out

There are a few good things in there. Theres also a lot of BS that doesnt qualify as any sort of accomplishment.

When you factor in all the harmful things hes done and said and all the offensive and divisive things hes said plus the turnover and corruption in his campaign and administration makes it mind boggling to me that you think he's an all time great president.

 

[skinsdad62]

Strzok--who slept with an FBI co-worker behind his wife's back, texted that he wanted to stop Trump, that he was an f'ing idiot, and that Trump voters were ignorant hillbillies--just claimed that he held himself to the highest possible standard while investigating Trump.

 

[skinsdad62]

Did anybody catch that cheap-shot by FBI agent Peter Strzok in his testimony before Congress today where he brought in illegal immigration and what @realDonaldTrump said on the campaign trail about it and how offended he was? He claims not to be a political animal and has no bias

 

[ehb5]

because your comments dont back it up

no conservative thinks HRC is a better choice
no conservative thinks open borders are good or supports illegal immigration
no conservative doesnt want judges who interprit the constitution and not legislate from the bench
no conservative claims that our education system doesnt lean highly left
no conservative defends the MSM as unbiaased and is truthful in reporting

you didnt read the report because you would know what rothstein , comey strozk and page did and wouldnt make the comments you make and you would know this is crap

you would know that the DOJ and FBI favored HRC and that investigation was crap

it has nothing to do with things making me uncomfortable your words and your actions are not in sync

now do i think trump is as pure as the driven snow ? no he is not but HRC is a criminal plain and simple because i have handled classified information and i know she broke the law and was given a pass by her biased supporters with the FBI and DOJ which is clearly shown in the IG report

Do you actually read what i post?

Yes some conservatives thought hillary was a better candidate. I am one of them. My very existence disproves your claim.

I didnt argue for open borders. Im pro immigration which some conservatives are.

No american wants judges that don't follow the constitution. I certainly don't want that.

Yes some conservatives dont think our education system indoctrinates us.

Shrug maybe some do but its not something i argued.

You seem to be under the impression that you can't be a conservative unless you agree with everything you say and fall in line with the republican party and dont question every line of BS that right wing media throws out.

I did read the report. I do know what they did. Are you sure you know what they did?

Thats not what ig report says.

My words and actions are completely in sync. Im a conservative who thinks about things rather than buying every right wing propaganda piece at face value.

You can be a conservative and still think trump is awful. There are actually a decent amount of conservatives that think that.

So are you willing to accept that i am in fact one of those conservatives who thinks trump is awful?

 

[skinsdad62]

So much for trump supporters supporting racists

 

[skinsdad62]

Do you actually read what i post?

Yes some conservatives thought hillary was a better candidate. I am one of them. My very existence disproves your claim.

I didnt argue for open borders. Im pro immigration which some conservatives are.

No american wants judges that don't follow the constitution. I certainly don't want that.

Yes some conservatives dont think our education system indoctrinates us.

Shrug maybe some do but its not something i argued.

You seem to be under the impression that you can't be a conservative unless you agree with everything you say and fall in line with the republican party and dont question every line of BS that right wing media throws out.

I did read the report. I do know what they did. Are you sure you know what they did?

Thats not what ig report says.

My words and actions are completely in sync. Im a conservative who thinks about things rather than buying every right wing propaganda piece at face value.

You can be a conservative and still think trump is awful. There are actually a decent amount of conservatives that think that.

So are you willing to accept that i am in fact one of those conservatives who thinks trump is awful?

Sorry but debating what illegals give the Govt isn’t a conservative position

 

[ehb5]

1- SCOTUS nominations. He is going with constitutional judges instead of political activists that are perverting their own job. Like I said, this was the single biggest reason I voted Trump. Here is hoping RBG drops next and soon.

2- Tax cuts. Giving the people who are working more of their own earned money. There is nothing more fair than me having more of what I earn.

3- Unemployment rates in the black, Latino, and female categories are at historically low numbers while the workforce participation rate is at an all time high.

4- He is actually closer to negotiating peace with North Korea than any other POTUS has ever had us.

5- He is actually being tougher on Russia, than any POTUS since the end of the Cold War.

6- He is standing against China and WTO is actually starting to act on the grievances they had already acknowledged.

7- He is letting our allies know that we recognize their abuses against us and we won’t have it any more. He called out Germany for having large surpluses but not living up to their NATO requirements, noting their hypocrisy of depending on Russia for 70% of their energy while Russia is their main fear militarily.

1. Yea these seem fine. I also think it doesn't say much about trump though. Any republican president wouldve put up somebody similar and nominating people is something that happens outside trumps control timing wise.

2. I think they could have been implemented better, but yea im happy with tax cuts.

3. How much of that can you really attribut to trump? How much to Obama? To neither?

4. Is he though? I think thats a wait and see sort of thing. If he accomplishes that's definitely a big deal and deserving of praise but right now were in wait and see mode. NK may just be playing games.

5. Is he?

6. Hes implementing bad trade policies.

7. I dont have a problem here, NATO seems to be a mess but thats not really an accomplishment.

 

[ehb5]

“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”

“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

“I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.” This is not actually his quote but this is what he puts out to his audience.

“There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

“It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

“I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

Interpret the worst in Obama and the best in Trump basically.

 

[gkekoa]

Interpret the worst in Obama and the best in Trump basically.

Oh no...I can’t stand Trump either. I just like his policies and the fact is he is doing his job.

 

[gkekoa]

1. Yea these seem fine. I also think it doesn't say much about trump though. Any republican president wouldve put up somebody similar and nominating people is something that happens outside trumps control timing wise.

2. I think they could have been implemented better, but yea im happy with tax cuts.

3. How much of that can you really attribut to trump? How much to Obama? To neither?

4. Is he though? I think thats a wait and see sort of thing. If he accomplishes that's definitely a big deal and deserving of praise but right now were in wait and see mode. NK may just be playing games.

5. Is he?

6. Hes implementing bad trade policies.

7. I dont have a problem here, NATO seems to be a mess but thats not really an accomplishment.

1- I agree that any conservative would have selected similar justices, but it was Trump that did it.

2- I agree but how so?

3- I would credit Trump with every bit of it. It is his better business policies that have contributed to it.

4- We have actually spoken with them...so that is closer already. Remember, at the beginning of his presidency the left thought he was getting us into a nuclear war. I am not naive enough to think it is done but at least we have spoken.

5- I would say so. Imposing sanctions, killing their soldiers, and then telling Merkel to stop making Russia rich while we protect you from Russia would be tougher than “i’ll Have more flexibility when the election is over” or selling our uranium to Russia.

6- Is he really though? Or is he just rattling some cages? Particularly when it comes to China, is it bad policy to challenge and enforce tariffs as a form of punishment on them for stealing our intellectual property. Also, these tariffs are exactly why the WTO is finally starting to stand against China. From there, I do not believe Trump really wants a trade war...I believe it is a negotiating tool.

7- You asked for his accomplishments. I listed them. I would say this is far greater than any POTUS since Clinton.

 

[Sharkinva]

Strzok--who slept with an FBI co-worker behind his wife's back, texted that he wanted to stop Trump, that he was an f'ing idiot, and that Trump voters were ignorant hillbillies--just claimed that he held himself to the highest possible standard while investigating Trump.

You voted for and continue to support Trump knowing he has had not one, not two, but three affairs, and left his first two wives because of said affairs. Paid one of them off to try and keep her quiet. And these are just the ones we KNOW about.


Trump has called races of people Animals, Rapists and Drug Dealers. He has called entire countries shitholes.

Sorry dude, on these two.. no Trump Supporter gets to try and claim the moral high ground ever.


Carry on.

 

[ehb5]

Sorry but debating what illegals give the Govt isn’t a conservative position

What? Debating things is non conservative?

Do you really think that if somebody doesnt hold exactly the same beliefs as you they cant be a conservative?

 

[ehb5]

Oh no...I can’t stand Trump either. I just like his policies and the fact is he is doing his job.

Fair enough

 

[skinsdad62]

What? Debating things is non conservative?

Do you really think that if somebody doesnt hold exactly the same beliefs as you they cant be a conservative?

time and time again you hold liberal positions period . anyone wanting HRC making supreme court pick knowing what that would do to conservative idealogy certainly isnt following conservative view points

you may think you are conservative but in reality you are far more liberal in your politics based on what you have written here

a conservative might be pro choice or pro life based on govts role but he damn sure isnt going to say trumps tax cuts are garbage and he hasnt done anything good isnt . sayimg illegal immigration is good and we should have no border security isnt a conservative position

calling the IG report a "republican report " isnt a conservative position , sorry you might belive you are conservative but your written positions say otherwise

 

[Sharkinva]

time and time again you hold liberal positions period . anyone wanting HRC making supreme court pick knowing what that would do to conservative idealogy certainly isnt following conservative view points

SO I got to ask.. what conservative values are you afraid would be compromised?? Womens reproductive rights? Gay Marriage?? Voter rights??

See what Im getting from all this is, conservatives want to live and let live.. as long as you are willing to live in a way that does not offend us.

 

[Sportster 72]

I am hoping by page 1000 we have all these issues fixed.