politics thread

[Sharkinva]

Every president has given money to help these countries do now its bad ?

When did I say it was BAD.. Dude seriously you defend Trump as if he were your illegitimate child or something. Its what we have done for years. Exerting influence is WHY we do it. Same reason we started NATO. And for all his bluster, NATO nations could spend 50% of their GDP on defense, and our military spending would not go down one fucking cent... Know why??

Because at the end of the day America likes being one of the big dogs on the block, with all the big guns to protect us and have the ability to bully other nations. Do what we say or we will nuke you has a real nice ring dont it.

 

[ehb5]

I do think you are anywhere near conservative with the positions you are taking and the people you are defending , read the report , do the research is all I can tell you . Selling uranium to Russia for kickbacks is pretty questionable . There was never any viable evidence to support any investigation of Trump for collusion

So once again when challenged and questioned you shut down and resort to

"You're lying about being a conservative"
"You didn't actually read the report"
"You didn't do any research"

I think that's pretty telling.

And if you can't accept that im a conservative who read the report and has done his research then how do you expect me to take you seriously? If you will simply deny anything that makes you uncomfortable than you can make yourself believe anything you want to. There's no reasoning with you then.

 

[Rowdy]

My responses in bold

thier own words in the IG report isnt convincing enough? looking at dates in black and white arent convincing enough ? . that is freaking written down

What is it you think the IG report says? Because it doesnt say what you seem to be claiming it does.

are you saying the blackberries werent smashed ? are you saying HRC didnt bleach bit her hard drive? those are all right there in black and white

No. I never once said that. I can only think that you are saying that in an attempt to deflect from the rest of this discussion and answering my original question.

you arent even concerned that those things were done ? you actually think that was on the up and up ? you think lynch and clinton were talking about grandchildren ? really you are that lost ?

Who said that? Where are you getting any of this?

people with nothing to hide act like this ? really ?

Huh? Also wouldnt the same apply to Trump?

and obama put 2 spies in an opposition campaign without probable cause and you are ok with that . if he thought Trumps campaign was infiltrated , why not pick up a phone and explain your concerns ?

No he didnt. Pick up a phone? What?

wasnt HRC's campaign the one that was infiltrated ? why no spies there ?

Because they didnt have reason to believe she was colluding with Russia.

again i know you didnt read the IG report because your statements betray your ignorance of what is in it . i bet at best you read the 1st paragraph or you listened to liberal central and havent even looked at it

I did read it. And I actually understand what it says. I am not twisting it into a piece of propaganda in order to fit my political views like you are.

Also...wtf is liberal central?

For 1...if I were a liberal that doesnt discredit my opinions or mean I didnt read the IG report or dont know what it says.

For 2...Im a freakin conservative dude. I just choose to put my country over any political party and call out BS when it deserves to be called out. 90% of this country however has chosen to be like you and sink into partisanship, name calling, and attacking the other side as the enemy. Its sad.

it doesnt concern you about all the stonewalling of records ? how so called classified information turned out to be covering up embarrassing things the FBI did ?

Elaborate

it doesnt concern you that comey was doing the same thing HRC was doing with classified materials yet he gave her a pass?

What?

sorry but the lame ,"talking points " refrain is just intelectually lazy at best . more then likely its just Trump hate or lack of research

Ive been pretty clear on where my dislike for Trump comes from. Hes a terrible person, who has implemented bad policies, and he seems to have no idea what he's talking about a large part of the time. He seems to have a lack of understanding about basic facts and policy, lies nonstop, and appears to look up to dictators. Why would I LIKE somebody like that?

For2 has seriously got to be a joke. Trump is making conservative moves

 

[Rowdy]

Can you explain what Trump is doing that is so great and why it is making America great, in detail?

In short. SCOTUS, negotiating with the other countries about paying their fair share as the US has, trying to work with Congress in a bipartisan way, undoing what Obummer fucked up, dealing with NK. Man there’s just to much to list! Basically everything he said he’d do in the campaign unlike others who run for office he’s being true to his word.

Few more off the top of my head. Tax breaks, eliminating some of the regulations that kill businesses, keeping our manufacturers in our country, fair trade. Damn I’d where my finger out if I listed everything. Now your turn answer my question. What did Obummer accomplish? Oh, I can’t stop. Unemployment rate up, jobs everywhere ok I’m wearing my iPad out

 

[skinsdad62]

So once again when challenged and questioned you shut down and resort to

"You're lying about being a conservative"
"You didn't actually read the report"
"You didn't do any research"

I think that's pretty telling.

And if you can't accept that im a conservative who read the report and has done his research then how do you expect me to take you seriously? If you will simply deny anything that makes you uncomfortable than you can make yourself believe anything you want to. There's no reasoning with you then.

because your comments dont back it up

no conservative thinks HRC is a better choice
no conservative thinks open borders are good or supports illegal immigration
no conservative doesnt want judges who interprit the constitution and not legislate from the bench
no conservative claims that our education system doesnt lean highly left
no conservative defends the MSM as unbiaased and is truthful in reporting

you didnt read the report because you would know what rothstein , comey strozk and page did and wouldnt make the comments you make and you would know this is crap

you would know that the DOJ and FBI favored HRC and that investigation was crap

it has nothing to do with things making me uncomfortable your words and your actions are not in sync

now do i think trump is as pure as the driven snow ? no he is not but HRC is a criminal plain and simple because i have handled classified information and i know she broke the law and was given a pass by her biased supporters with the FBI and DOJ which is clearly shown in the IG report

 

[Sharkinva]

Serious question

Why is it when anyone asks... DO you really believe that some of the fucked up things Trump has done are warranted and good policy..

The Response always seems to swing to.. But Obama and Hillary did this???

 

[ehb5]

For2 has seriously got to be a joke. Trump is making conservative moves

Not a joke. I consider myself a conservative/ libertarian.

 

[skinsdad62]

this photo was taken in 2005 , it didnt see the light of day until 2018 , why ? our MSM couldnt find it ?

 

[Sharkinva]

this photo was taken in 2005 , it didnt see the light of day until 2018 , why ? our MSM couldnt find it ?

Why does it bother you more that Obama met with Farrakhan than

Trump assigning a white nationalist to his white house staff
Trump playing footsie with Kim Jun Un
Trump playing footsie with Recep Erdegon
Trump all but declaring his undying love for Vladimir Putin

 

[gkekoa]

Show me equality in this country. Real equality.

And its funny that the only time Article 5 of the Nato charter has been enacted is when every one else came to the aid of "Big Brother". But lets not let facts get in the way of good old Murcia first politics.

Well, we can start with the laws of this country, black or white, being held to all people...except HRC.

We can continue to all children in the US being given an education.

We can continue with all US citizens being allowed to vote.

List is never ending.

What King had come to realize just before he was assassinated.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr: ‘I fear I am integrating my people into a burning house’

According to Belafonte, King responded, “I’ve come upon something that disturbs me deeply. We have fought hard and long for integration, as I believe we should have, and I know we will win, but I have come to believe that we are integrating into a burning house. I’m afraid that America has lost the moral vision she may have had, and I’m afraid that even as we integrate, we are walking into a place that does not understand that this nation needs to be deeply concerned with the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. Until we commit ourselves to ensuring that the underclass is given justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger and violence that tears the soul of this nation. I fear I am integrating my people into a burning house.”

So, it was a quote given by Belafonte that Dr. King allegedly made. Interesting but it could be completely fabricated. From there, even if true, Obama proved a black man can reach any station in life.

Real Equality would be things like not being judged based on your skin color.
Not being harassed because you are not a part of the majority.
Equal sentencing for equal crimes.

And the big ticker here for me personally, is not listening to people try and rationalize racist policies and actions by saying well its a cultural thing we had nothing to do with. .we gave them every opportunity to become more like us.

But these are just a start mind you.

You aren’t judged by skin tone.
You aren’t harassed by your skin tone.
I have told you that standardized sentencing is the only way to prevent this.

Show me the racist policy.

 

[gkekoa]

This is a systematic problem. IT has been acceptable for far too long to show racial bias in the legal system. And black Judges are just as guilty.. in some instances more so.

You arent being held accountable for what happened 400 years ago. But the system we have now is a byproduct of what happened 400 years ago. And as I have pointed out, we are currently trying to recreate an immigration policy from 100 years ago that was designed at its base to discriminate against particular people based on ethnic background.

2018 America we have a President referring to people as an infestation. Referring to people from certain areas as migrants from shithole countries, and by extension.. some will take that to mean these are shithole people not worthy of our time or compassion. So sorry bro, we got a long way to go.. and I dont just mean for minorities, I mean as a nation. And i see King Donny moving us into a more hostile racial period.. and i think he is doing it intentionally.

BS on systematic garbage.

BS on racist immigration policies.

What is wrong with using infestation? You don’t like metaphors?

Have you ever been to Somalia? It is a shithole. Sorry but Obama started the movement to racial hostility after it had improved for 50 years straight.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well, we can start with the laws of this country, black or white, being held to all people...except HRC.

We can continue to all children in the US being given an education.

We can continue with all US citizens being allowed to vote.

All people are NOT treated equally under the law. BUt nice try.

All Children are afforded an education, but again not an equal education. hats like saying a degree from Trump University is equal to a degree from Harvard or Yale.

We have every few years some one (usually republicans) doing every thing they can to make sure that note all votes count evenly. Check Gerrymandering, and the electoral college for examples.

 

[skinsdad62]

Why does it bother you more that Obama met with Farrakhan than

Trump assigning a white nationalist to his white house staff
Trump playing footsie with Kim Jun Un
Trump playing footsie with Recep Erdegon
Trump all but declaring his undying love for Vladimir Putin

yeah i see his undying love today at the nato summit

 

[skinsdad62]

Why does it bother you more that Obama met with Farrakhan than

Trump assigning a white nationalist to his white house staff
Trump playing footsie with Kim Jun Un
Trump playing footsie with Recep Erdegon
Trump all but declaring his undying love for Vladimir Putin

who said it bothered me more ? i just showed your boy hanging out with a racist and how it was covered up by a compliant media .

since when is negotiating a denuclearkorea playing footsie where everyone else failed ?

and now we have turkey , a nato ally you were upset about offending being played footsie with ?

 

[gkekoa]

Please show me ONE instance where Obama tried to paint the majority of an ethnic group (two in fact) as the enemy.

I'll wait.

“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”

“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

“I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.” This is not actually his quote but this is what he puts out to his audience.

“There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

“It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

“I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

 

[gkekoa]

Trump: Mexico Not Sending Us Their Best; Criminals, Drug Dealers And Rapists Are Crossing Border

The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems. Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Trump basically called Mexicans rapists again - CNNPolitics

There you go. And by the way, thanks for basically telling me my mother, siblings and a good portion of my family are basically some form of radical militant that hates you by the way.

They aren’t sending their best here illegally. They don’t actually send anybody here. The criminals and the uneducated do come illegally.

 

[gkekoa]

You are right. Now instead of being hell bent on keeping out Southern and eastern Europeans, now the focus is on South/central America and African/Middle Easterners.

The infestation Trump has refereed to is People. And while he tries to paint it as just MS-13.. sorry but I see a deeper hate in there.

As for those jobs they are taking, by and large they are taking jobs Americans wont do more often than not, for alot less than Americans would do those jobs for. I have shown you the numbers. And there is no logical way that 3% of the country is causing 50% or more of the strife in this country. You can sight jobs, social services and such. The reality is, the concept of diversity in our population scares the bejesus out of some folks, and Trump feeds on that like a tick on a dog.

It is a metaphor. You see what you want to see. You don’t like the tone so you make up shit.

So...if they are taking jobs under minimum wage...isn’t that essentially slave labor?

If one person in this country illegally causes one IS citizen any strife, that is a problem. We can cause enough strife on our own. We don’t need assistance.

Diversity doesn’t scare anybody. Diversity of skin tone or ethnic background just to claim diversity is stupid though. I want diversity...I want to take the best of each race and get rid of the shit of each race...wait, that isn’t diverse enough for you...maybe we should keep the shit.

 

[Sharkinva]

So, it was a quote given by Belafonte that Dr. King allegedly made. Interesting but it could be completely fabricated. From there, even if true, Obama proved a black man can reach any station in life.

ONe.. what reason would Belafonte have to lie??

Two,, you seem to whip out the name of MLK as some sort of you uppity black folks need to calm down and realize, we gave you better so how dare you want more??

Maybe you should listen to what the man said AFTER the civils rights movement. His words still ring true

 

[gkekoa]

Nope.. but then what do you expect when you try and tell people the only way to be accepted is to abandon your culture and adopt ours... or else

Well...if one culture is better and has proven to be so...it would make sense. And I am saying we should take the best of each culture, get rid of the worst.

We are not and have never given other countries money out of the goodness of our hearts. Nor do we commit to NATO out of the goodness of our hearts. Its all about influence. And maintaining influence around the world. Now for most of our life time that has been done diplomatically. Now we have a leader that figures he can just bully everyone into doing what HE wants. And yes we have the military might to do it. Question is, should we.

All Trumps pardons are a political stunt if you ask me. He has used the pardon as his latest toy. And at least three of the people he pardoned were directly to thumb his nose at Obama. And make no mistake... he thinks MOST Mexicans (because he does not distinguish, they are all Mexican to him) Are Rapists, Drug Dealers and Animals... well and a few good people.

So, we give money to others to influence them, then we lose our shit when we exert the influence in a manner that is actually getting us a better deal?

I hate all pardons. I see it as a way to go around the judicial system. Seriously, why pardon a dead man?

 

[gkekoa]

If only he was as quick to correct the mistake of Zero Tolerance.

Enforcing the law equally is a mistake? I am so confused on your definition of equality.