politics thread

[Rowdy]

Trump should be on Mt. Rushmore at the end of his term. He is making America great. What did Obama do that was good?

 

[skinsdad62]

I will respectfully disagree on the Obama did more harm than good. Thats the deep red in you speaking.

Secondly I dont think the ACA was designed to fail, I think it fell short of what it was meant to be because of party fighting.

Obama lost the midterms, and Trump got the nomination because of scare tactics. And he is running his entire presidency with scare tactics.

he got the nomination because people are tired of BS .open borders , and socialist ideas that dont work . they are tired of unfair trade deals and our country always having to foo t the bill for the UN and nato

your thesis on party fighting holds no water . obama had super majorities in both chambers of congress meaning the republicans could do nothing not even filibuster

obamacare was poorly thought out if it wasnt designed to fail . anyone who actually has looked at the plan can see that . but i know it was designed to fail because of its poor construction

and sorry but paying 5000 dollars in deductables before you even get to insurance you can use isnt really insurance . its 5000 dollars worth of debt on the middle class to cover illegals for free

 

[skinsdad62]

Show me equality in this country. Real equality.

And its funny that the only time Article 5 of the Nato charter has been enacted is when every one else came to the aid of "Big Brother". But lets not let facts get in the way of good old Murcia first politics.

oh yeah we had 40 years of cold war that says otherwise

 

[skinsdad62]

Show me equality in this country. Real equality.

And its funny that the only time Article 5 of the Nato charter has been enacted is when every one else came to the aid of "Big Brother". But lets not let facts get in the way of good old Murcia first politics.

question , what is real equality as opposed to equality ?

 

[Sharkinva]

Trying to fix healthcare was a good thing, even though it made it worse? Fixing it would have been good.

Really? And I thought voting for somebody based on the color of their skin was wrong. I guess Dr. King was a dumb ass according to you.

What King had come to realize just before he was assassinated.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr: ‘I fear I am integrating my people into a burning house’

According to Belafonte, King responded, “I’ve come upon something that disturbs me deeply. We have fought hard and long for integration, as I believe we should have, and I know we will win, but I have come to believe that we are integrating into a burning house. I’m afraid that America has lost the moral vision she may have had, and I’m afraid that even as we integrate, we are walking into a place that does not understand that this nation needs to be deeply concerned with the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. Until we commit ourselves to ensuring that the underclass is given justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger and violence that tears the soul of this nation. I fear I am integrating my people into a burning house.”

 

[Sharkinva]

question , what is real equality as opposed to equality ?

Real Equality would be things like not being judged based on your skin color.
Not being harassed because you are not a part of the majority.
Equal sentencing for equal crimes.

And the big ticker here for me personally, is not listening to people try and rationalize racist policies and actions by saying well its a cultural thing we had nothing to do with. .we gave them every opportunity to become more like us.

But these are just a start mind you.

 

[skinsdad62]

Real Equality would be things like not being judged based on your skin color.
Not being harassed because you are not a part of the majority.
Equal sentencing for equal crimes.

And the big ticker here for me personally, is not listening to people try and rationalize racist policies and actions by saying well its a cultural thing we had nothing to do with. .we gave them every opportunity to become more like us.

But these are just a start mind you.

are you saying the vast majority of whites judge you by your skin ? and blacks dont do the same as well ?
i am harrassed all the time for my views and what i look like
cant speak to equal sentencing to equal crimes other then that is a judge thing

now what i cant swallow is how am i accountable for things i didnt do . yet over and over again i am held accountable for crap that happened 400 yrs ago by countries not our own

things in my lifetime have gotten way better . 1962 america is way worse then 2018 america. minorities are becoming leaders in a big way . they are richer have better homes , drive better cars .

we have work to do for sure but you act like we are still in the reconstruction days

 

[Sharkinva]

are you saying the vast majority of whites judge you by your skin ? and blacks dont do the same as well ?

This is a systematic problem. IT has been acceptable for far too long to show racial bias in the legal system. And black Judges are just as guilty.. in some instances more so.

now what i cant swallow is how am i accountable for things i didnt do . yet over and over again i am held accountable for crap that happened 400 yrs ago by countries not our own

You arent being held accountable for what happened 400 years ago. But the system we have now is a byproduct of what happened 400 years ago. And as I have pointed out, we are currently trying to recreate an immigration policy from 100 years ago that was designed at its base to discriminate against particular people based on ethnic background.

things in my lifetime have gotten way better . 1962 america is way worse then 2018 america. minorities are becoming leaders in a big way . they are richer have better homes , drive better cars .

2018 America we have a President referring to people as an infestation. Referring to people from certain areas as migrants from shithole countries, and by extension.. some will take that to mean these are shithole people not worthy of our time or compassion. So sorry bro, we got a long way to go.. and I dont just mean for minorities, I mean as a nation. And i see King Donny moving us into a more hostile racial period.. and i think he is doing it intentionally.

 

[Skins2021]

I mean as a nation. And i see King Donny moving us into a more hostile racial period.. and i think he is doing it intentionally.

Again that was Obama with the extension of the democratic party - MSM

 

[Sharkinva]

Again that was Obama with the extension of the democratic party - MSM

Please show me ONE instance where Obama tried to paint the majority of an ethnic group (two in fact) as the enemy.

I'll wait.

 

[Skins2021]

Please show me ONE instance where Obama tried to paint the majority of an ethnic group (two in fact) as the enemy.

I'll wait.

Sometimes whats not said has a much more profound effect than what is said....

Obama stoked the racial flames for 8 years creating a divide.

I do not feel that Obama ever had my best interests in mind as a white christian male. I felt that he worked for a demographic as opposed to a nation.

Though not racial Obama did wage war on cops.

Show me 2 instances of Trump trying to paint the majority of an ethnic group as the enemy.

Dont go into Islam, I've expressed how I feel on that front. The majority of that major religion is consumed by radicalism, not just militant, that conflicts directly with western ideals.

 

[skinsdad62]

This is a systematic problem. IT has been acceptable for far too long to show racial bias in the legal system. And black Judges are just as guilty.. in some instances more so.




You arent being held accountable for what happened 400 years ago. But the system we have now is a byproduct of what happened 400 years ago. And as I have pointed out, we are currently trying to recreate an immigration policy from 100 years ago that was designed at its base to discriminate against particular people based on ethnic background.




2018 America we have a President referring to people as an infestation. Referring to people from certain areas as migrants from shithole countries, and by extension.. some will take that to mean these are shithole people not worthy of our time or compassion. So sorry bro, we got a long way to go.. and I dont just mean for minorities, I mean as a nation. And i see King Donny moving us into a more hostile racial period.. and i think he is doing it intentionally.

circumstances have changed since 100 years ago as far as immigration . asking for higher skilled immigrants isnt racial unless you think minorites arent smart enough why do we need to take a boatload of unskilled people and have to support them ?

in fact i have shown a graph that shows we let in more people of color then whites

i am sorry but drugs are an infestation . ms 13 is an infestation and i am sorry but i dont want illegals here in my country taking away jobs and resources that americans can use and have

 

[Sharkinva]

Sometimes whats not said has a much more profound effect than what is said....

Obama stoked the racial flames for 8 years creating a divide.

I do not feel that Obama ever had my best interests in mind as a white christian male. I felt that he worked for a demographic as opposed to a nation.

Though not racial Obama did wage war on cops.

Show me 2 instances of Trump trying to paint the majority of an ethnic group as the enemy.

Dont go into Islam, I've expressed how I feel on that front. The majority of that major religion is consumed by radicalism, not just militant, that conflicts directly with western ideals.

Trump: Mexico Not Sending Us Their Best; Criminals, Drug Dealers And Rapists Are Crossing Border

The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems. Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

Trump basically called Mexicans rapists again - CNNPolitics



There you go. And by the way, thanks for basically telling me my mother, siblings and a good portion of my family are basically some form of radical militant that hates you by the way.

 

[Skins2021]

There you go. And by the way, thanks for basically telling me my mother, siblings and a good portion of my family are basically some form of radical militant that hates you by the way.

those headlines are ridiculous and sure sets the tone for what the body of that article is trying to prove.

and do they support sharia, fatwa, treatment of women as property, and gays as subhuman? If so... well

I've said many times I feel for most of the American muslims but they only represent a small % of the overall religion. Extremism goes well beyond being actively militant.

 

[Sharkinva]

circumstances have changed since 100 years ago as far as immigration . asking for higher skilled immigrants isnt racial unless you think minorites arent smart enough why do we need to take a boatload of unskilled people and have to support them ?

in fact i have shown a graph that shows we let in more people of color then whites

i am sorry but drugs are an infestation . ms 13 is an infestation and i am sorry but i dont want illegals here in my country taking away jobs and resources that americans can use and have

You are right. Now instead of being hell bent on keeping out Southern and eastern Europeans, now the focus is on South/central America and African/Middle Easterners.

The infestation Trump has refereed to is People. And while he tries to paint it as just MS-13.. sorry but I see a deeper hate in there.

As for those jobs they are taking, by and large they are taking jobs Americans wont do more often than not, for alot less than Americans would do those jobs for. I have shown you the numbers. And there is no logical way that 3% of the country is causing 50% or more of the strife in this country. You can sight jobs, social services and such. The reality is, the concept of diversity in our population scares the bejesus out of some folks, and Trump feeds on that like a tick on a dog.

 

[Skins2021]

no longer a melting pot
integration and suggesting integration is now seen as politically incorrect
cultural adaptation not seen as important as it once was


yeah it is a lot different now then it was 100 years ago

for a real time example how has the integration gone in Europe with northern africa and the ME. Everyone is playing nicely right?

 

[Sharkinva]

those headlines are ridiculous and sure sets the tone for what the body of that article is trying to prove.

and do they support sharia, fatwa, treatment of women as property, and gays as subhuman? If so... well

I've said many times I feel for most of the American muslims but they only represent a small % of the overall religion. Extremism goes well beyond being actively militant.

And yet, they show video of what he said. How many times does he have to stand on stage and try to paint the majority of these people as criminals, rapists and Drug dealers before you will even consider that, he is trying to paint an enemy. no scratch that, he isnt trying.. he has defined an enemy. And yall run with it like God himself spoke this truth to you.

As for Muslims.. put down the fox news feed. Because much as Trump is quick to point out when an immigrant commits a crime, they are quick to paint as many Muslims as possible in the extremist light. Reality is the majority of Muslims are not that kind of party.

 

[Sharkinva]

no longer a melting pot
integration and suggesting integration is now seen as politically incorrect
cultural adaptation not seen as important as it once was


yeah it is a lot different now then it was 100 years ago

for a real time example how has the integration gone in Europe with northern africa and the ME. Everyone is playing nicely right?

Nope.. but then what do you expect when you try and tell people the only way to be accepted is to abandon your culture and adopt ours... or else

 

[Skins2021]

And yet, they show video of what he said. How many times does he have to stand on stage and try to paint the majority of these people as criminals, rapists and Drug dealers before you will even consider that, he is trying to paint an enemy. no scratch that, he isnt trying.. he has defined an enemy. And yall run with it like God himself spoke this truth to you.

As for Muslims.. put down the fox news feed. Because much as Trump is quick to point out when an immigrant commits a crime, they are quick to paint as many Muslims as possible in the extremist light. Reality is the majority of Muslims are not that kind of party.

Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia

-at least 75% of the ME believes Sharia should be made the official law of the land
-80% of southwest Asia, which go figure, is the fastest growing hotspot for terrorism and radicalism... wonder what happened there
-at least 75% of Africa

Views of ISIS Overwhelmingly Negative

-28% of the people in Pakistan view ISIS as unfavorable

Put CNN, NYT, and MSNBC down.... when people say that only .0001% of Islam is radical they are cherry picking in a big way.

 

[Skins2021]

Nope.. but then what do you expect when you try and tell people the only way to be accepted is to abandon your culture and adopt ours... or else

I mean your word choice is poor but how is that unreasonable?

I'm not going to move to Italy and expect everyone to understand English

I'm also going to move to Philly from NY and keep ordering taylor ham egg and cheeses on kaiser rolls instead of "pork roll"