Game Thread: Pittsburgh Penguins(1) vs. Columbus Blue Jackets(WC 1)| ECQF

[pixburgher66]

SV% .900; 5v5 SV% .922 GA 14

SV% .903; 5v5 SV% .940 GA 14


Perspective folks. Perspective.

 

[forty_three]

 

[dash]

That Calvert - Dubinsky - Atkinson line is a ton of fun to watch (a couple of waterbugs along with Dubinsky creating havoc).

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

Higgy:

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

What the hell was MAF doing at that tying goal? Why make the attempt to make a ''save'' out of the net?

That OT period though, that building was on it's feet until that goal was scored. That was fucking awesome. The way the Jackets dominated the play in OT, you knew the goal was coming.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

From a fellow goalie's point of view, I think MAF has a very clear understanding of the D in front of him. I don't think his issue is a lack of confidence, I think it's a "I have/want to be the difference" state of mind. Both often lead to the same result, but I can't say he has no confidence. He's not making bad plays, but he's making plays with the mindset that his D is not going to come through the front and clear anything out for him. Or one is going to turn looking for a break, leaving his partner outnumbered behind the net.

On the tying goal, it was clear that the Jackets were going to beat the Pens to the puck, and he had exactly 3 milliseconds to decide what to do, and it went wrong for him (ask any goalie. It usually does). But in my mind if he has no confidence, he curls under the crossbar and points to his left where the puck is going. I gave my son a coaching lesson right there in the family room. Had MAF got his pads against the boards and not tried to stop it with only his stick, it's a 3-1 series. That's the margin of error we work with.

On the winner, Foligno crossed the line and looked like he was going to go down the boards and cut in, so Fluery set up on the right side of Niskanen. Nick shot quicker than anyone expected and MAF went with him, but he was still off a smidge and the knuckler got by him. But he was on top of his crease, square (relatively) and just missed a tiny bit. His style and his D's style just aren't meshing right now.

The Pens need more Scuderi's and less Letangs, or Fleury needs to just lay back and let the D handle everything.




By the way, they interviewed Wiz and he said that as they were coming back into the room after tying in regulation Nick stood in the middle of the room and asked if anyone minded if he went out and scored the game winner, because he "wanted to".

I love that guy.

When they asked Foligno about it later he just said "I say crap like that all the time. I can't believe it actually worked."

I mean REALLY love that guy.

Now that's something else! Fucking awesome.

 

[forty_three]

What the hell was MAF doing at that tying goal? Why make the attempt to make a ''save'' out of the net?

That OT period though, that building was on it's feet until that goal was scored. That was fucking awesome. The way the Jackets dominated the play in OT, you knew the goal was coming.

Like I said in the one you quoted later, he saw that two Jackets were going to get to the puck first and he took it upon himself to make the play, and it just went horribly wrong for him.

Criticizing him is wrong, IMO. Criticize the two lollygagging D.

<sorry Pens fans, I know this hurts>

Atkinson and Johansen both got behind the D.

 

[Darkstone42]

Like I said in the one you quoted later, he saw that two Jackets were going to get to the puck first and he took it upon himself to make the play, and it just went horribly wrong for him.

Criticizing him is wrong, IMO. Criticize the two lollygagging D.

Not just the D. Crosby and Stempniak were out of position. Stempniak was in no-man's land, and Dubinsky was Crosby's mark.

 

[forty_three]

Not just the D. Crosby and Stempniak were out of position. Stempniak was in no-man's land, and Dubinsky was Crosby's mark.

I disagree, Stempniak went to the half wall to cover Calvert and prevent the rim around.

If anything Dubi belonged to... is that Letang? Crosby should have looked to stay high in case the puck got to the point.

Who did Johansen beat to the puck?

 

[Darkstone42]

I disagree, Stempniak went to the half wall to cover Calvert and prevent the rim around.

If anything Dubi belonged to... is that Letang? Crosby should have looked to stay high in case the puck got to the point.

Who did Johansen beat to the puck?

Scuderi, but that's been a given this series. And this season.

I thought center had center defensively. Letang should have been in the passing lane to the slot, and I thought Stempniak should have committed, it looked like he was halfway between cutting him off at the wall and attacking the puck.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I disagree, Stempniak went to the half wall to cover Calvert and prevent the rim around.

If anything Dubi belonged to... is that Letang? Crosby should have looked to stay high in case the puck got to the point.

Who did Johansen beat to the puck?

I think Crosby should have been on Dubi, I think Letang was trying to cover the net once MAF went out

But MAF should have never went out of the net in the first place, even if the d-men were lolly-gagging back - there's a better chance the puck doesn't go in even if they lolly-gag back, if MAF stays in his net - MAF lolly-gagged it too when he went out, he should have done a hard clear onto the boards, his brain stopped working when he went out of the net, as if it froze

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Like I said in the one you quoted later, he saw that two Jackets were going to get to the puck first and he took it upon himself to make the play, and it just went horribly wrong for him.

Criticizing him is wrong, IMO. Criticize the two lollygagging D.

<sorry Pens fans, I know this hurts>

Atkinson and Johansen both got behind the D.

Yeah I later realized that after I quoted you. I think he would have been better suited to just let the defensemen play the puck and point out there it is, without moving out of the net. But of course, it didn't work like that and thus MAF will take the most blame for it. And with the way things hav gone for Fleury in the past, only fittin something like this happens again.

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

"Calm the fuck down - I got this!"





Said no Fleury ever.

 

[forty_three]

Scuderi, but that's been a given this series. And this season.

I thought center had center defensively. Letang should have been in the passing lane to the slot, and I thought Stempniak should have committed, it looked like he was halfway between cutting him off at the wall and attacking the puck.

Scuderi is #4, right? He was on Atkinson's side of the net. Need to find the video to see who Johansen beat on the other side.

And I guess where the center plays is up to the coaches' system. In the USA model that we teach, the Wings have the points and the dead zone between the dots out to the point. If the puck is on your side but behind the net, winger covers the half board as an outlet for a breakout and to prevent the opposing forward from stealing and taking it low (and to keep the D from pinching). The way I am used to teaching it is the center covers the slot and supports the D in digging the puck out of the corner.

On the attacking team, the Center challenges the D in the corner, or moves to the slot if his winger gets the puck. In this case, the Jackets had two centers so they did both.

 

[Darkstone42]

Regardless of what the assignments were, and irrespective of any decisions made by Fleury, the fact is that the Penguins had the Blue Jackets outnumbered 4-2 on that play, and the Jackets were the only ones to touch the puck. That's not on Fleury.

 

[element1286]

Like I said in the one you quoted later, he saw that two Jackets were going to get to the puck first and he took it upon himself to make the play, and it just went horribly wrong for him.

Criticizing him is wrong, IMO. Criticize the two lollygagging D.

<sorry Pens fans, I know this hurts>

Atkinson and Johansen both got behind the D.

Nah, the lollygagging D is pretty much enemy number 1 of Pens fans. But I don't get why Fleury would come of the net there. 1) This was 6-5 at that point, the Blue Jackets are theoretically going to outnumber you to every puck having your goaltender out of the net there is really bad IMO. 2) This wasn't a regular dump, this was a dump that already had two Jackets at the dots by the time Mark touched the puck. 3) Even if he wraps the boards, I'm not convinced the puck even gets out, and is most likely a turnover to the Jackets on the boards and at worst at the point.

 

[forty_three]

I just noticed that Fluery directed the pass right to Dubinski. Had it gone where Johansen threw it, no one was there.

ouch

 

[Darkstone42]

Scuderi is #4, right? He was on Atkinson's side of the net. Need to find the video to see who Johansen beat on the other side.

And I guess where the center plays is up to the coaches' system. In the USA model that we teach, the Wings have the points and the dead zone between the dots out to the point. If the puck is on your side but behind the net, winger covers the half board as an outlet for a breakout and to prevent the opposing forward from stealing and taking it low (and to keep the D from pinching). The way I am used to teaching it is the center covers the slot and supports the D in digging the puck out of the corner.

On the attacking team, the Center challenges the D in the corner, or moves to the slot if his winger gets the puck. In this case, the Jackets had two centers so they did both.

I always see Pens' centers matched up with the opponents' center. All three of Stempniak, Scuderi, and Letang were beaten by both of Atkinson and Johansen. That's what I meant about Stempniak being in no-man's land. He started toward the puck, then stopped.

 

[Darkstone42]

I just noticed that Fluery directed the pass right to Dubinski. Had it gone where Johansen threw it, no one was there.

ouch

Yeah, the only thing I really fault Fleury for is still trying to play the puck after he missed it the first time. Had he just gone back to the front of the net, he would have had a chance. But then again, as a goalie I know I'm always tempted to play the puck that crosses my face.

 

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