OV, on officiating

[sbb122]

I guess the question is how much lighter will OV be in the wallet? 10K has been the practice in the past.

Torts got 35k for his Winter Classic whining...

 

[dash]

Torts got 35k for his Winter Classic whining...

Gulp, that's right. At any rate, get ready to fork over some rubles OV.

 

[evolver115]

Gulp, that's right. At any rate, get ready to fork over some rubles OV.

I'd venture a guess that OV has a few disposable rubles

 

[sbb122]

I'd venture a guess that OV has a few disposable rubles

Are you sure, i thought that tennis chick was robbing him blind... :ss:

 

[aar000n]

How about fines and suspensions for diving.

 

[evolver115]

Are you sure, i thought that tennis chick was robbing him blind... :ss:

she might be robbing him of his killer instinct, and making him more and more like a soft Euro stereotype , but I'm pretty sure Kirilenko is ranked in the top 15 women's singles players in the world.

His money she doesn't need

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Ovi only needs to look at himself in the mirror. He didn't get the job done. He's just looking for an excuse for his poor play.

 

[elocomotive]

There has been a lot of talk on technology and officiating in the game in this thread. And I think we all have to note there is a balance. You want to find the best middle between two competing goals - (1) getting the calls right and (2) making sure the flow/entertainment of the game is not disrupted by bureaucratic processes.

Someone made the point it's easy to see the replay in hi-def slow-mo and go "omg! not offsides!" Frankly, with calls like that I think the refs do a remarkable jobs at times. But the penalty calls for infractions are too inconsistent and I have repeatedly said this is partly because the NHL has more subjectivity in it's rulebook than any other league. And even where subjectivity does not exist, referees are far too prone to injecting subjectivity into it (example - shot to the head being a major as someone mentioned earlier, that is rarely called). That is the part that has to be changed - both in making the rules simpler and easier and in training the refs to apply them more uniformly.

As to instant replay, the NHL, NFL, etc. drive me crazy with all the rules related to it's use. An obvious penalty (or non-penalty) can be just as important as a goal in changing momentum and the outcome of a game. The rule should be this - ANYTHING should be reviewable with a limit on the number of challenges each team has in a game. It's great they check on goals, but most of them are not even in question.

You should be able to challenge the non-call of a penalty, a penalty that was called, etc. You have a limit (say 2 per game per team). If a coach thinks there was a trip and it wasn't called - great, take a look. If a player is called for because the ref thought he hit the head, not the shoulder - great, take a look. Shit, if it's late in the game and I haven't used any challenges and the coach thinks an offensive player won an icing race with 20 seconds left - take a look and move the faceoff to center if it wasn't icing and allow the shift change if need be.

This creates a great intersection of getting it right and not belaboring the game.

It also has another tremendous benefit - it takes the onus/pressure off the league and puts it on the team. Fans won't say "the refs screwed us," they'll say, "well, we used our challenges poorly tonight."

It limits and controls the power of the refs, puts the responsibility on the coaches, and does not allow a bad call at a key time to ruin a game. The limitations league's place on what can be reviewed are ridiculous and nonsensical. The team should control it and have more options at their disposal. This would benefit the NHL greatly.

 

[elocomotive]

Ovi only needs to look at himself in the mirror. He didn't get the job done. He's just looking for an excuse for his poor play.

He mentioned his poor play postgame as well. The story isn't that simple. If you watched this series, the refs not only hurt us being a man down too often and a man up too infrequently, but it changed the way the Caps played (especially in games 4, 5, and 6) as we got scared we would take an infraction. We were tentative at times. You could see Caps' players throwing their arms up later in the series almost to show the ref they weren't committing a penalty if the guy fell down. Tough to play with 100% intensity when you feel like the refs are going to call any little thing even when no infraction occurred.

I can't remember any series (involving the Caps) before this where I felt like the refs changed the course of the series, but I sincerely believe they did in this case.

 

[4thstreet]

My biggest gripe about officiating is how does the ref 5 feet from the infraction not make the call but the ref at center ice 100 feet away does?

Also, good teams overcome bad officiating.

/sort of off tangent here but the #1 reason i hate Steelers fans is it's always the refs fault they lose. I have never met a Steelers fan who can admit the other team was better etc... Fucking yinzers.

they also don't have 3 cross checking penalties in a row taken on them(game 6),and how many delay of game(shot over boards)did the Caps have in this series?

There were some bad calls obviously,but not enough IMO to dictate the outcome of the series.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

I would never want to be a ref. No matter what the rules are if you call them there are a bunch of power plays the fans, players and announcers are screaming "Let the players decide the game".

If they don't call them again the fans, players and announcers are saying "WTF, they didn't call that"?!

It's simple, the rules are the rules at ALL points of the game and should not be dictated by what team had the last PP, where the game is being played, if it's a star player or a grinder, what period it is, regular season or playoffs, what the score is or what teams are playing.

By not calling the penalties the refs are dictating the game by calling them they are enforcing the rules that are part of the game.

 

[elocomotive]

Another change needed... pay structure.

It's my understanding refs are salaried during the season, but are paid by the game in the playoffs. That gives an incentive (though a small one) to extend a series.

Do I think this actually influences their calls? No, I really don't. But you never know and you don't want to create a situation for that.

Certain refs should be selected for each round of the playoffs based on merit (like in baseball) and paid for the entire round of play, regardless of how many games they individually referee or how long a series goes.

 

[hokiehi21]

Nice shirt OV haha

 

[ritari330]

Ovi only needs to look at himself in the mirror. He didn't get the job done. He's just looking for an excuse for his poor play.

This will be the sentiment of fans who didn't watch the series.

 

[puckhead]

Yes, when you are part of the worst officiated series I've ever seen, it makes sense that your comments would be different than another guy not part of the series. Night in and night out obvious calls against us were missed while embellishment from the Rags or phantom/soft calls went against us.

It not only impacted the game directly with PP opportunities that led to goals and shifted momentum, but the Caps started playing differently in games 5 and 6, almost scared to create contact at times b/c of the concern over the refs. They put their hands up frequently as if to say 'look I'm not fouling him.'

In nearly 30 years of watching the Caps in the playoffs, I've never seen officiating have so much of an impact on a series.

We have choked away COUNTLESS series, none of which I ever felt were the fault of anyone but the coaches and players. This one would never have gone 7 games were it not for the refs.

If you guys want to pile on OV for being honest about that, then you clearly didn't watch this series and fuck off. I'm not a "refs are for the Pens" conspiracy person nor a person who likes ref complaining, but this series was different. They affected it. Its one thing if it's one night for this team and another night for the other. That was not the case here. It was a joke. A shameful, god damn joke.

I can completely empathize with this. The question isn't about poor overall officiating, it is about the referees dictating the outcome of the game.
I havent seen your series, but the powerplay count in mine was 24-10. Which was not remotely representative of the play. Kudos to the sharks for cashing in, but the series was an uphill battle from the get go.

Torts got 35k for his Winter Classic whining...

Players and coaches have different rules regarding maximum fines

 

[4thstreet]

I can completely empathize with this. The question isn't about poor overall officiating, it is about the referees dictating the outcome of the game.
I havent seen your series, but the powerplay count in mine was 24-10. Which was not remotely representative of the play. Kudos to the sharks for cashing in, but the series was an uphill battle from the get go.

Players and coaches have different rules regarding maximum fines

I watched most of series and thats a bad indicator
pims per game

1-Rags 12 Caps 10
2-Rags 8 Caps 10
3-Rags 6 Caps 12
4-Rags 4 Caps 8
5-Rags 4 Caps 8
6 Rags 4 Caps 14
7-Rags 4 Caps 14

the biggest advantages were in games 6 and 7 ,however the Caps had delay of game,and 3 cross checking penalties in that one.The last game was over when the majority of penalty minutes were taken by the Caps.

As i said before,yes,there were some bad calls,but in no way,were the Caps screwed over by the refs IMO.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

This will be the sentiment of fans who didn't watch the series.

The sentiment of people who:

Know zero about hockey

Of

Didn't watch a second of it.

Ritari nailed it.

 

[ritari330]

I watched most of series and thats a bad indicator
pims per game

1-Rags 12 Caps 10
2-Rags 8 Caps 10
3-Rags 6 Caps 12
4-Rags 4 Caps 8
5-Rags 4 Caps 8
6 Rags 4 Caps 14
7-Rags 4 Caps 14

the biggest advantages were in games 6 and 7 ,however the Caps had delay of game,and 3 cross checking penalties in that one.The last game was over when the majority of penalty minutes were taken by the Caps.

As i said before,yes,there were some bad calls,but in no way,were the Caps screwed over by the refs IMO.

okay, first of all, penalty minutes don't say the whole situation either. In game 6 for example, both the Caps and Rags got called for 2 minors after the had ended in a scrum. Meaningless PIMs that only skew the stats. Simply saying the PIMs is a bad indicator as well.

The Caps had the majority of puck possession in the series and by the nature of how penalties are called the team with the puck should be at the very least even in the number of penalties, even if they have bad discipline. Our Penalty kill did a great job under pressure, but the refs still influenced the game by taking the flow out of the game, changing momentum (caps favor too when they killed a 3 on 5 at home) and preventing possible scoring chances while on the PK.

Ultimately, Caps were playing above their ability towards the end of the season and came back towards earth. Whether or not they went below their "average" play is yet to be seen. Shortened roller coaster season with a new coach. Next year we will actually find out how good they are. Unfortunately they move to a tougher division and probably miss out on the playoffs because of it.

 

[puckhead]

I watched most of series and thats a bad indicator
pims per game

1-Rags 12 Caps 10
2-Rags 8 Caps 10
3-Rags 6 Caps 12
4-Rags 4 Caps 8
5-Rags 4 Caps 8
6 Rags 4 Caps 14
7-Rags 4 Caps 14

the biggest advantages were in games 6 and 7 ,however the Caps had delay of game,and 3 cross checking penalties in that one.The last game was over when the majority of penalty minutes were taken by the Caps.

As i said before,yes,there were some bad calls,but in no way,were the Caps screwed over by the refs IMO.

Fwiw, I was referring to the nucks-sharks series on the powerplay discrepancy.
I didn't see much caps-rags.

So it's just interesting to note the similarity in the refs dictating the outcomes

 

[4thstreet]

Fwiw, I was referring to the nucks-sharks series on the powerplay discrepancy.
I didn't see much caps-rags.

So it's just interesting to note the similarity in the refs dictating the outcomes

no problem

I was merely showing that the penalties were basically warranted.Another fact-in the last 4 games the rags were 2/17 on the pp.