OT: Winter Is Coming | Game of Thrones Discussion Thread

[BGDave]

Like many, been busy rewatching the first 7 seasons. Just watched the scene in Meeren where Dany is AWOL and Tyrion decides to go down with Varys to "make friends" with the 2 dragons.

IIRC at the time this was interpreted by many as a tip off that Tyrion was the third Targeryn. In the books, there is apparently a third Targeryn who (as of now) is unknown, there are several pretenders/claimants, but the TV series has basically left this entire plot line out (much like Lady Stonehart).

Got me thinking, what was the point of that scene? Dany comes back a couple of episodes later, so its not like Tyrion becomes the new Master of Dragons or anything. Was this merely a payoff for book readers? Will this be relevant in Season 8? Watching the scene today, it seems really odd and pointless.

OK this is my LAST (well until Monday morning) set of predictions:

Tyrion Targeryn, bastard son of Rhaegar Targeryn, takes the throne.
Sansa is his wife
Jon retreats to the North, semi-retired, to take up hunting and fishing with his old pals, Tormund and Ghost
Of course, the Dany forces defeat Cersei (more below), but sadly, Dany succumbs in a tragic one-dragon accident. Kingsguard cannot fathom why she wanted to park in the Throne Room.
During the battle, Yara makes a surprise appearance and attacks Euron from behind. He says "I like that" as he dies.

Now the rest of these will happen in quick succession
Bronn kills Jamie with the crossbow
Arya sees the incident, and waits for Bronn to leave. She proceeds to add some inventory to her bag of faces
The Hound watches and pukes. Apparently more than fire unnerves him
The two sneak into Cersei's chambers. Cleganebowl ensues, with the Hound dying first, then Arya with more foresight than Oberyn Martell, finishes off the Mountain.
Arya then slips on Jamie's face and kills Cersei. Just before cutting her throat, Arya reminds Cersei "when you play the Game of Thrones, you win or you die".
Arya takes Cersei's face, puts in on, enters the Throne Room, then gives the order to Cersei's armies to stand down.
Arya peels off Cersei's face, tosses it at Tyrion and walks out like a boss. Never to be heard from again, except in whispers

Oh, then Bronn enters the Throne Room still holding the crossbow. Threatens Tyrion, who pays him double, and Bronn also walks out like a boss. He is heard from again. as he is quite legendary in Fleabottom. But not as legendary as Podrick.

Who have I left out? Hmmm. Bran is left forgotten under the tree at Winterfell. He slowly morphs into the tree, replicating the last three eyed raven. Sam becomes Lord Tarly, and sends his soon-to-be-born son to Winterfell to be raised by Jon. Oh, and Brienne. How could I forget Brienne. She becomes Captain of the King/Queens Guard, continuing to "defend" Sansa, as was her vow to Lady Catelyn.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

OK this is my LAST (well until Monday morning) set of predictions:

Tyrion Targeryn, bastard son of Rhaegar Targeryn, takes the throne.
Sansa is his wife
Jon retreats to the North, semi-retired, to take up hunting and fishing with his old pals, Tormund and Ghost
Of course, the Dany forces defeat Cersei (more below), but sadly, Dany succumbs in a tragic one-dragon accident. Kingsguard cannot fathom why she wanted to park in the Throne Room.
During the battle, Yara makes a surprise appearance and attacks Euron from behind. He says "I like that" as he dies.

Now the rest of these will happen in quick succession
Bronn kills Jamie with the crossbow
Arya sees the incident, and waits for Bronn to leave. She proceeds to add some inventory to her bag of faces
The Hound watches and pukes. Apparently more than fire unnerves him
The two sneak into Cersei's chambers. Cleganebowl ensues, with the Hound dying first, then Arya with more foresight than Oberyn Martell, finishes off the Mountain.
Arya then slips on Jamie's face and kills Cersei. Just before cutting her throat, Arya reminds Cersei "when you play the Game of Thrones, you win or you die".
Arya takes Cersei's face, puts in on, enters the Throne Room, then gives the order to Cersei's armies to stand down.
Arya peels off Cersei's face, tosses it at Tyrion and walks out like a boss. Never to be heard from again, except in whispers

Oh, then Bronn enters the Throne Room still holding the crossbow. Threatens Tyrion, who pays him double, and Bronn also walks out like a boss. He is heard from again. as he is quite legendary in Fleabottom. But not as legendary as Podrick.

Who have I left out? Hmmm. Bran is left forgotten under the tree at Winterfell. He slowly morphs into the tree, replicating the last three eyed raven. Sam becomes Lord Tarly, and sends his soon-to-be-born son to Winterfell to be raised by Jon. Oh, and Brienne. How could I forget Brienne. She becomes Captain of the King/Queens Guard, continuing to "defend" Sansa, as was her vow to Lady Catelyn.

Varys. Something big and/or horrible is happening to Varys.

My guess is Dany mentions something about "Hey, you have a transcontinental spy network and you literally had no idea thousands of men and ships were coming to ambush us?!" And then the treason stuff and it's BBQ time for the eunuch.

 

[BGDave]

Varys. Something big and/or horrible is happening to Varys.

My guess is Dany mentions something about "Hey, you have a transcontinental spy network and you literally had no idea thousands of men and ships were coming to ambush us?!" And then the treason stuff and it's BBQ time for the eunuch.

Ah Varys, yes I forgot him. That makes sense. I can see that playing out this week.

 

[Comeds]

Some site I read has compiled a list of spoilers from sources that have been correct in the past. If true:

Spoiler

Pretty much everyone dies except for Jon Snow.

 

[BGDave]

Some site I read has compiled a list of spoilers from sources that have been correct in the past. If true:

Spoiler

Pretty much everyone dies except for Jon Snow.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAY IT AINT SNOW!!!

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Soooo.....

Do you think there will be videos of people burning their Mother of Dragons shirts like they do with sports jerseys when players leave the team on bad terms?

 

[elocomotive]

That episode was fantastic!!

Cleagane Bowl Final Score
Mountain 1
Hound 1

 

[Comeds]

That was really good but a long hard watch.

 

[mattola]

Spoiler: Spoiler

so many are complaining of Danys arc to madness I think it's great. The closer she gets to the throne the more mad she becomes (like her entire families history) with any challenges that pops up. I think this has been great. /SPOILER]

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Ah Varys, yes I forgot him. That makes sense. I can see that playing out this week.

Tyrion is the biggest failure of a person in GOT history. Always listen to Varys.

 

[BGDave]

Tyrion is the biggest failure of a person in GOT history. Always listen to Varys.

Very very true.

Sometimes being right is not worth it.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Tyrion forgot the golden rule, bros before hoes.

I actually like the turn. I always felt like Dany kind of hit the lottery with the dragons, outside of that she hasn't displayed any sort of diplomatic or real leadership qualities.

Probably could have used The Mountain against the White Walkers.

Cersei, rubble? Really? So the prophecy that a brother would kill her, I guess Jamie leading her down there is a round about way of fulfilling that?

 

[Comeds]

 

[BGDave]

Tyrion forgot the golden rule, bros before hoes.

I actually like the turn. I always felt like Dany kind of hit the lottery with the dragons, outside of that she hasn't displayed any sort of diplomatic or real leadership qualities.

Probably could have used The Mountain against the White Walkers.

Cersei, rubble? Really? So the prophecy that a brother would kill her, I guess Jamie leading her down there is a round about way of fulfilling that?

After watching E5, I was initially just kind of silent. Hard to explain it, but generally did not like the way the story played out. Sure, the filming quality was superb, but the plot, didnt care for it at all. The Cersei end was a big part of that but my same reaction applies to basically every important storyline.

One last episode and maybe I will feel differently when all is said and done. This whole season feels like fatigue set in. The writers took simplistic paths, and nothing was properly developed. For me, the complexity of the plot was one of the most appealing aspects of GoT. Guess I will have to wait (if) Martin finishes the books.

No quarrel with the acting. Overall, they did the best with what they were given.

At this point, I have no idea what they have written for the finale. Suspect it will be the most simplistic plot line conceivable.

 

[BGDave]

FWIW

Years ago, in an interview Martin said that his initial outline for the overall book was a love triangle between Jon, Tyrion and Arya

He acknowledges changing the story line significantly and that arc makes no sense today. It is interesting though that those 3 are part of the few remaining characters as we head into the finale.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

I was actually hoping the Golden Army would win and then the banks controlled everything.

 

[mattola]

Cersei, rubble? Really? So the prophecy that a brother would kill her, I guess Jamie leading her down there is a round about way of fulfilling that?

If you think about it, it was Tyrions idea to bring her down there so it's even more a round about way there

 

[Nasty_Magician]

 

[BGDave]

I was actually hoping the Golden Army would win and then the banks controlled everything.

That is how the books will end. Because at the end of the day, its all about the Benjamins.

 

[mattola]

Spoiler

so every Lannister is now dead except Tyrion





And Jamie's baby in Brienne