Official Mariners arm-chair GM offseason thread 2018-2019

[wazzu31]

What do you guys think Edwin Diaz would get in a trade? He's objectively one of the best closers in baseball right now, only 24 years old and doesn't hit free agency until 2023.

Andrew Miller got a huge haul when the Yankees traded him to the Indians and he was much older and didn't have the cheap financial commitment that Diaz has. The Yankees landed Clint Frazier (#27 prospect overall) and Justus Sheffield (#81 overall) at the time of the trade.

My thoughts on the Indians overpaying aside, if that is the bench mark for an elite closer, I'd imagine the Mariners could land a lot more for Diaz given his age and his controllability.

To me this just rehashes the idea of Paxton as well. Neither one of them are as valuable in the off-season. In the off-season there is no real bidding war for players like either of the two. The Mariners need part of the season the play out to have surprise teams like the A’s last year to build a market and then have a team like the Astros having a massive need. Not every team is like the 2018 Mariners where they go into the season with a massive weakness, generally weaknesses are created by injury (Machado to the Dodgers) or massively underperforming in an area like the Indians a few year back.

Just looking at the Marlins “rebuild” they announced the world they were trading everyone and dealt almost every one in the off season as opposed to the Yankees who sold everyone off at the deadline. Hindsight is 20/20 but had the Mariners sold at the deadline last year they would have a top 10 farm system this year with the needs last year.

 

[seahawksfan234]

 

[seahawksfan234]

To me this just rehashes the idea of Paxton as well. Neither one of them are as valuable in the off-season. In the off-season there is no real bidding war for players like either of the two. The Mariners need part of the season the play out to have surprise teams like the A’s last year to build a market and then have a team like the Astros having a massive need. Not every team is like the 2018 Mariners where they go into the season with a massive weakness, generally weaknesses are created by injury (Machado to the Dodgers) or massively underperforming in an area like the Indians a few year back.

Just looking at the Marlins “rebuild” they announced the world they were trading everyone and dealt almost every one in the off season as opposed to the Yankees who sold everyone off at the deadline. Hindsight is 20/20 but had the Mariners sold at the deadline last year they would have a top 10 farm system this year with the needs last year.

Given Diaz's age and lack of injury history, he's a guy I'd be more comfortable with waiting until the deadline to move. In my opinion he is much, much less likely to tank his value than Paxton possibly could.

Good point on if the Mariners sold at the deadline last year. I hate to say it, but this franchise would've been better off if we hadn't outperformed our talent level and had a certain amount of luck that made us appear as if we were contenders.

 

[The Q]

I would think an Andrew Miller like deal would qualify, but you never know with JDP.

 

[wazzu31]

I would think an Andrew Miller like deal would qualify, but you never know with JDP.

I just can’t see any team desperate to over pay for a closer right now. The Yankees lucked out the Indians and Cubs needed bullpen help, I guess the Astros right now maybe but they already gave a finger to Dipoto so he took a lesser deal for Paxton.

 

[The Q]

I just can’t see any team desperate to over pay for a closer right now. The Yankees lucked out the Indians and Cubs needed bullpen help, I guess the Astros right now maybe but they already gave a finger to Dipoto so he took a lesser deal for Paxton.

What was houston's offer?

 

[ulmax]

i have a list of good young pitchers..from before the paxton trade.....swanson was one of those pitchers
and while i beat the drum on stephenson all the time...like i do for cordero..here are some more guys on my list

josh staumont....R/R..6-3 azuza pacific...K.C...AAA

touki toussaint...R/r.atlanta

sean reid -foley..R/R.toronto

 

[seahawksfan234]

What was houston's offer?

I don't think we know what their offer was. There were rumors that Jerry wanted Forrest Whitley, which the Astros were unwilling to part with.

 

[ulmax]

moving on........from segura

free agent catcher.... wilson ramos ..should be on the mariners list

depoto said he would be looking for a catcher


Wilson Ramos #40

• C
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 1/245

SummaryStatsNewsAwardsSHOP

• Wilson Abraham Ramos
• Nickname: Buffalo
• Born: 8/10/1987 in Valencia, Venezuela
• High School: U.E. Santa Ines, VEN
• Debut: 5/02/2010

 

[ulmax]

mariners ,phili , sandiego three team mix and match...just for fun
mariners send
segura
seager
mike leake

phili
sends
pivetta
kingery
jo jo romero..L/L...AA
luke leftwich..R/R...AA
tyler gilbert.....L/L...AAA

phili..sends
mike leake
jp crawford

sandiego...sends to phili
franchy cordero.........Of...all three
jose pirella......2B.....R/R
or
maybe brett kennedy...R/R..RHp

 

[ulmax]

maybe put hernandez..2B in for phili as well..then send to san diego..lol

 

[wazzu31]

I don't think we know what their offer was. There were rumors that Jerry wanted Forrest Whitley, which the Astros were unwilling to part with.

That’s what I meant, was the rumor they told Jerry to fudge off with their top prospect. The Rangers did the same with Smoak (I know terrible trade) but it was at the deadline and the Yankees offered their top guy (Montero) so the Rangers agreed to Smoak plus whatever that rapists name was that was one of their top closer prospect in baseball.

 

[seahawksfan234]

In case you all haven't seen:

Mariners "Actively" Trying To Move Robinson Cano

https://nypost.com/2018/11/26/what-kept-yankees-from-pulling-trigger-on-cano-ellsbury-trade/

I'm kind of surprised they're dismissing the possibility of Robinson Cano playing 2B. He looked solid defensively to meat second. Awful at 1B though. For what it's worth he was given 0.3 dWAR in 2018 and 0.5 dWAR in 2017.

 

[ulmax]

who needs a Dh for prospects??..K.C...detroit....minnesota could use it..go cano...lol

really...i think they are just seeing who may be interested...covering all the bases
the chances are low.......but hey you are saying there is a chance..??..lol

 

[ulmax]

white sox trade......cano for daniel palka...lol...i have had my eye on him sense he was in minnsota farm sys

 

[ulmax]

houston could use it..and without there awsome pitching keuchel and morgan...it may fill in the gap

i have always been interested in there AAA CF drew ferguson..R/R..make a great 4th guy

Drew Ferguson 8 CF
Round Rock Express

• Triple-A | Pacific Coast League
• MLB Parent Club: Houston Astros

• Status: Active
• Full Name: Andrew Thomas Ferguson
• Age: 26 (August 3, 1992)
• Birthplace: Knoxville, TN
• Bats/Throws: R/R Ht: 5' 11" Wt: 180
• Draft: Round 19 (2015, HOU)
• School: Belmont

 

[cezero]

odds of DuImPbOaTsOs getting played in any Cano trade?

 

[ulmax]

that could make houston a monster.......for a few more years..and they could afford to throw out a few more prospects
easily

 

[ulmax]

odds of DuImPbOaTsOs getting played in any Cano trade?

right...not good

but this is a good song...lol

 

[ulmax]

MLB hot stove: Nine Robinson Cano trade destinations that the Mariners should be pursuing

if it did happen

free agents would follow