Official July 31 trade deadline thread

[tzill]

Apparently Kieschnick and Pill have been removed from the roster in Fresno. Trade incoming?

Source? I'm showing them both still Grizzlies:

Fresno Grizzlies Team Roster | Fresno Grizzlies Roster

 

[tzill]

I would want him on the Dodgers as a reliever.



You're thick. I don't want the Dodgers to make a Qualifying Offer (where did you get that from?). My rebuttal to you was that the counterargument to not trading Lincecum is the Giants trying to receive value this winter via Qualifying Offer. Honestly, if I'm Lincecum and you make me a Qualifying Offer to stay on the Giants (~13MM for one year), I'd accept that deal. Timmy has shown in the past that he favors short term deals to longer ones, which is why he didn't push for more than a 2-year extension when he had the leverage to get a huge deal like the one Matt Cain got. Do I know your team better than you? Sheeeesh....



Even if the Dodgers get Lincecum, it doesn't exactly make them the WS favorites. They would still be the NL underdogs going into the playoffs.



All valid points, but I don't think the qualifying offer would marginally drive down Lincecum's price as much as Pence. Timmy is not what he used to be (despite throwing a no-hitter). He's also going to be on the market at the same time as 42 other guys (extensions notwithstanding).

Look at this list of FA pitchers for this winter.
Major League Leaderboards » 2013 » Pitchers » Custom Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball

Lincecum is lower down the list than Chris Capuano. Feel free to rearrange the metrics to suit you. Moral of the story: Timmy won't have much leverage in Free Angecy, regardless of an attachment to a Qualifying Offer from the Giants.

That's exactly the point; we'd have to get more value than a sandwich pick to trade him. I think we agree there aren't going to be any teams that will do that. As for him taking the QO, maybe, maybe not. Some team will offer him 2-3 years and he'll have to weigh that against $13MM from the Giants. The Giants will be perfectly fine with Tim on a one year $13MM deal if he accepts. So, again: why would we trade Tim to the doyers and why would they give us "a handful of prospects" to acquire him?

Answer: they wouldn't, and the trade suggestion is silly.

 

[msgkings322]

Cmon, man. 40 post wonder doyerfan shows up on the board with "you should trade one of the most celebrated players in franchise history to your rival, which happens to be my team" and you expect me to be CIVIL??

There's internet trash talk, and then there's going straight to wishing painful death by cancer to a guy on the first post...save that for his 5th post maybe?

 

[tzill]

There's internet trash talk, and then there's going straight to wishing painful death by cancer to a guy on the first post...save that for his 5th post maybe?

Are you saying I'm premature? Or just precocious?

 

[msgkings322]

Brett Butler went to the Dogs, but I think he was a FA, not a trade. Also Hershiser was a Giant, but also a FA I think.

Plenty ended up Dodgers via free agency...Jeff Kent, Jason Schmidt, etc. Trades are understandably very rare

 

[ChinMusic]

Source? I'm showing them both still Grizzlies:

Fresno Grizzlies Team Roster | Fresno Grizzlies Roster

Via Twitter, Jim Nelson (a datacaster for the Grizzlies?)

@csnbaggs pill and kieschnick removed from roster trade soon?

@csnbaggs Fresno transactions, they were removed added surkamp and dunning. Deleted from active roster

And a reporter for CBS47, Andrew Marden

Brett Pill and Roger Kieschnick have been removed from the Fresno Grizzlies' active roster. It would appear a Giants trade is in the works.

 

[tzill]

Via Twitter, Jim Nelson (a datacaster for the Grizzlies?)





And a reporter for CBS47, Andrew Marden

Thank you Chin.

 

[Heathbar012]

Bud Norris?! Go Mustangs!

 

[msgkings322]

Are you saying I'm premature? Or just precocious?

Only your wife knows if it's the former.

 

[tzill]

Per Shulman:

Henry Schulman ‏@hankschulman 3m
#sfgiants will call up Kieschnick and Pill for tomorrow's game in Philly, I've confirmed. @CSNBaggs first reporter they're off Fresno roster

 

[tzill]

Andrew Baggarly ‏@CSNBaggs 15m
Confirmed: Brett Pill, Roger Kieschnick have been removed from roster at Triple-A Fresno. More likely they are being promoted than dealt.

TheKnocka DFA'd and either Frenchy or NotBobby, I'd guess...

 

[calsnowskier]

Via Twitter, Jim Nelson (a datacaster for the Grizzlies?)





And a reporter for CBS47, Andrew Marden

Hmmm...

Not sure what to make of this.

Maybe Peavey? Rios?

Not sure why they would deal kids for anything, unless they were sweeteners.

Another idea is that they are getting called up. Pence traded, Tanaka DFA'd?

 

[Villain]

That's exactly the point; we'd have to get more value than a sandwich pick to trade him. I think we agree there aren't going to be any teams that will do that. As for him taking the QO, maybe, maybe not. Some team will offer him 2-3 years and he'll have to weigh that against $13MM from the Giants. The Giants will be perfectly fine with Tim on a one year $13MM deal if he accepts. So, again: why would we trade Tim to the doyers and why would they give us "a handful of prospects" to acquire him?

Answer: they wouldn't, and the trade suggestion is silly.

I already covered why that is not the case. Do you read my posts? ALso, you don't get to field offers from other teams while you have the QO on the table. You need to decline it first.

You're showing your lack of understanding. Such a surprise considering the warm welcome you gave me.

 

[calsnowskier]

Pill and RK up?

Tanaka DFA'd and...


???

 

[tzill]

Although, if Kiesh is up, could mean Gangle has been dealt...

 

[calsnowskier]

Anyone else having trouble with MLBTRADERUMORS? Site has not been about to load for me for about an hour or so.

 

[steelparrot]

I think the Giants and Pirates can work out a deal for Pence.

Hell, if it is partially about the comp pick, we got a 2nd round sandwich pick in the competitive balance lottery that we can put in the deal.

The whitesox wanting 2 top prospects for Rios is a laugh riot imo, I mean who would even think about that?

 

[calsnowskier]

Although, if Kiesh is up, could mean Gangle has been dealt...

Certainly within the realm of possibility.

 

[steelparrot]

Btw some players are untouchable on the trade market, take Stanton, their owner ordered their gm not to trade him.

 

[calsnowskier]

I think the Giants and Pirates can work out a deal for Pence.

Hell, if it is partially about the comp pick, we got a 2nd round sandwich pick in the competitive balance lottery that we can put in the deal.

The whitesox wanting 2 top prospects for Rios is a laugh riot imo, I mean who would even think about that?

Meaning between 2 and 3? Unfortunately, our current regime has not shown to place much value on single picks (no matter where they are). They try to get value from wherever they are, but they have never played the pick game, so I doubt they would be interested in that.