Off season training thread

[skinsdad62]

So to put it like this the bengals have to sign T before a trade can happen in a “ sign and trade “ , now say the bengals talk to DC and DC say we will give T a 4 yr 120 mil contract with say 70 mil guaranteed. T says hell yes but the bengals have to eat 70 mil in dead cap space this year , the bengals have 23 mil in cap space not counting the 21 mil the franchise tag. The bengals would have to cut 47 million in salaries or contract renews or a combo of both on a team that can make a superbowl . So that is not going to happen based on the CBA . Now that the asking price for him is going to be much like sweat 2nd rounder at worst or a 3d rounder at best for Chase. If you are in a planning stage you have to plan on 2 bad outcomes 1) it costs at least a 2nd rounder 2) he signs with another team after this yr

Now weigh this with simply waiting till he becomes an FA or god forbid draft a T and I say just say no

 

[Stymietee]

Under terms of the current CBA, sign-and-trades come with many significant restrictions. Transactions under this rule require all of the following to be true: The player must re-sign with his former team.Additionally, the player must have been on the team's roster at the end of the immediately previous season.

Correct!
This means that it's not only possible but allowed under the current CBA.
So, for a team like Washington here's how that would work:

1. If a team like Washington wants to acquire him, they, would need to negotiate with Cincinnati.

2. In this hypothetical sign-and-trade scenario, Washington could offer draft picks (e.g., a 2025 second-round pick and a 2025 fourth-round pick) for Higgins. Now, because the Bengals foolishly tagged him his price jumped from what he'd been asking (a three-year, $70 million extension in the $20 million-per-year range) to the tag value. ($21.8 million)

So step-by-step here's what would happen...

Washington contacts the Bengals about a trade for Higgins>>>> Cincinnati agrees, terms are negotiated, and agreed upon>>>> Higgins agrees to come to Washington>>>> Washington is allowed to negotiate the terms of a new contract with Higgins and his people, once agreed upon, Higgins signs the franchise tag AND his new deal with Washington. The deal is complete! (The franchise tag no longer applies, because a new contract extension replaces it)

SN: 20.8M at best or the tag amount of 21.8M per year for Tee Higgins is a bargain, even when you factor in the trade capital.

 

[Stymietee]

In 2024, Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Tee Higgins has a dead cap amount of $21,816,000. This figure represents the financial impact if the team were to release or trade him. Keep in mind that this amount is tied to the franchise tag he’s currently supposed to be playing under. Higgins is essentially a free-agent in limbo because of the franchise tag. He played out his rookie contract at the end of the 2023 season.

 

[skinsdad62]

S

Correct!
This means that it's not only possible but allowed under the current CBA.
So, for a team like Washington here's how that would work:

1. If a team like Washington wants to acquire him, they, would need to negotiate with Cincinnati.

2. In this hypothetical sign-and-trade scenario, Washington could offer draft picks (e.g., a 2025 second-round pick and a 2025 fourth-round pick) for Higgins. Now, because the Bengals foolishly tagged him his price jumped from what he'd been asking (a three-year, $70 million extension in the $20 million-per-year range) to the tag value. ($21.8 million)

So step-by-step here's what would happen...

Washington contacts the Bengals about a trade for Higgins>>>> Cincinnati agrees, terms are negotiated, and agreed upon>>>> Higgins agrees to come to Washington>>>> Washington is allowed to negotiate the terms of a new contract with Higgins and his people, once agreed upon, Higgins signs the franchise tag AND his new deal with Washington. The deal is complete! (The franchise tag no longer applies, because a new contract extension replaces it)

SN: 20.8M at best or the tag amount of 21.8M per year for Tee Higgins is a bargain, even when you factor in the trade capital.

See Posts 916- 921 and you will see that the bengals get stuck with the cap hit for the guaranteed money . You will see that your scenario violates the “ good faith “ clause it also violates the clause that the bengals have to sign him to that contract not DC. This isn’t the NBA

 

[skinsdad62]

In 2024, Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Tee Higgins has a dead cap amount of $21,816,000. This figure represents the financial impact if the team were to release or trade him. Keep in mind that this amount is tied to the franchise tag he’s currently supposed to be playing under. Higgins is essentially a free-agent in limbo because of the franchise tag. He played out his rookie contract at the end of the 2023 season.

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Again it makes no difference as the rules state the bengals must sign him to a new contract and they are on the hook for any guaranteed money in 2024 in dead space . Again T hasn’t signed the tag. But I will also add if I am the agent for T I am playing on the tag this year and force DC to pay up because the only way a deal works for Cincy is trading him on the tag to a team willing to gamble they can sign him . If I am the agent I am taking T to FA

 

[Stymietee]

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See Posts 916- 921 and you will see that the bengals get stuck with the cap hit for the guaranteed money . You will see that your scenario violates the “ good faith “ clause it also violates the clause that the bengals have to sign him to that contract not DC. This isn’t the NBA

I read them...

The good faith clause has been rendered moot because of the franchise tag (Intent to keep him) and because they agreed to the terms of a trade, Washington negotiates, not Cincinnati.

In the NFL, sign-and-trade scenarios typically involve a franchise-tagged player. There are two ways this can happen:

1. Conventional Offer Sheet: The new team gives the player an offer sheet. The original team then has the option to match the offer or accept two first-round picks as compensation.
2. Tag-and-Trade Scenario: In this more realistic approach, the player is tagged by their current team and then traded to another team. The terms of the new deal are negotiated between the player and the acquiring team.

 

[Stymietee]

What Is the NFL Franchise Tag and How Does It Work? (Updated 2024)​

What is the NFL franchise tag, how does it work, and what are the projected salary cap numbers for each position in 2024?

The 2024 NFL offseason has arrived. With free agency right around the corner, teams must determine if any of their pending free agents are worthy of the franchise tag.
How does the franchise tag work? When is the tag deadline in 2024, and how much can each position group earn on the franchise tender? Let’s find the answers to all those questions.

What Is the NFL Franchise Tag?​

The franchise tag is a tool that NFL teams can use to ensure they retain an unrestricted free agent. Teams do not have to use the franchise tag, and they are only allowed to designate one player with the franchise tag per season. They must also decide whether to utilize the franchise or transition tag — which serves a similar purpose.

How Does the NFL Franchise Tag Work?​

By deploying the franchise tag, teams buy themselves an extra year of service time from whichever player they choose as their franchise player. The franchise tender is often used when a club cannot finalize a long-term contract extension with a player it hopes to retain.
Franchise tags are fully guaranteed. As soon as the player signs the tender, his one-year salary cannot be rescinded, even if he’s traded.

Once a team applies a tag, it has a few months to work out an extension with the tagged player.
The NFL has not yet announced this year’s franchise tag extension deadline, but if previous offseasons are any guide, it will likely be on July 15. After that point, teams and players must pause negotiations until the following offseason. (This year that date is July 22)

When an NFL player’s contract expires, their team has the option to use a franchise tag. There are three types of franchise tags: (Tee Higgins was issued an Exclusive franchise tag)

1. Non-exclusive franchise tag: The most common type. The player receives a one-year tender based on the average of the top five salaries at their position over the last five years or 120% of their previous salary (whichever is greater). They can negotiate with other teams, but their current team has the right to match any offer or receive two first-round draft picks as compensation if the player signs elsewhere.
2. Exclusive franchise tag: The tagging team retains the sole right to negotiate with the player. The pay scale is higher than the non-exclusive tag. Generally, quarterbacks receive this version of the tag.
3. Transition tag: A one-year tender based on the average of the top 10 salaries at the position. The original club has the right of first refusal to match any offer the player might receive from another team. If they choose not to match, no compensation is awarded.

 

[Stymietee]

Good article...


NFL
https://www.nfl.com/news/make-or-break-candidates...

Make-or-break candidates: Tee Higgins, Dak Prescott among …​

Jun 5, 2024, · To those who think the Giants are beholden to Jones because of his contract, I have a counterpoint: New York can part with him for a very manageable dead cap number …

 

[gkekoa]

So to put it like this the bengals have to sign T before a trade can happen in a “ sign and trade “ , now say the bengals talk to DC and DC say we will give T a 4 yr 120 mil contract with say 70 mil guaranteed. T says hell yes but the bengals have to eat 70 mil in dead cap space this year , the bengals have 23 mil in cap space not counting the 21 mil the franchise tag. The bengals would have to cut 47 million in salaries or contract renews or a combo of both on a team that can make a superbowl . So that is not going to happen based on the CBA . Now that the asking price for him is going to be much like sweat 2nd rounder at worst or a 3d rounder at best for Chase. If you are in a planning stage you have to plan on 2 bad outcomes 1) it costs at least a 2nd rounder 2) he signs with another team after this yr

Now weigh this with simply waiting till he becomes an FA or god forbid draft a T and I say just say no

The Bengals would not be on the hook for guaranteed salary in 2024.

 

[countryroads316]

 

[kbso83432]

Peters works his first trade down and tells Howie Roseman no.

Grant Paulsen on Instagram: "The Commanders put out a juicy new episode of Commanders Log. I grabbed this clip of GM Adam Peters working his first trade-back as a top executive. Love how he stood his ground with Howie Roseman. #Commanders #NFLDraft #

282 likes, 12 comments - granthpaulsen on June 13, 2024: "The Commanders put out a juicy new episode of Commanders Log. I grabbed this clip of GM Adam Peters working his first trade-back as a top...".

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[redskinsfan1963]

the biggest if imo.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

I was shocked and surprised Daniels usually are first in the faculty daily.shows how much they want to learn.

 

[skinsdad62]

we are talking about sign and trades (which do not exist in the NFL ) . for the bengals to trade T on the franchise tag , they can and wont absorb the cap hit if T signs it which he hasnt . however as i explained above from over the cap in a sign and trade scenario the BENGALS have to sign him 1st then trade him MAKING them responsible for the dead cap space ON THEIR cap which they wont do . this isnt the NBA and that is why you dont see sign and trades in the NFL , as well as the "good faith clause "

if you trade for T once he signs his tag (because he cant be traded until then ) we the skins have to sign him to a contract extension which he doesnt have to sign if he wants to be a FA

 

[deanpet21]

we are talking about sign and trades (which do not exist in the NFL ) . for the bengals to trade T on the franchise tag , they can and wont absorb the cap hit if T signs it which he hasnt . however as i explained above from over the cap in a sign and trade scenario the BENGALS have to sign him 1st then trade him MAKING them responsible for the dead cap space ON THEIR cap which they wont do . this isnt the NBA and that is why you dont see sign and trades in the NFL , as well as the "good faith clause "

if you trade for T once he signs his tag (because he cant be traded until then ) we the skins have to sign him to a contract extension which he doesnt have to sign if he wants to be a FA

is this the same thing as the Tunsil trade with Miami and Houston. Houston acquired him, gave up alot of picks, and didn't sign him to a long term deal until after the season. Tunisl still had the option to go to FA if he dindnt resign. He had all the leverage.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

So to put it like this the bengals have to sign T before a trade can happen in a “ sign and trade “ , now say the bengals talk to DC and DC say we will give T a 4 yr 120 mil contract with say 70 mil guaranteed. T says hell yes but the bengals have to eat 70 mil in dead cap space this year , the bengals have 23 mil in cap space not counting the 21 mil the franchise tag. The bengals would have to cut 47 million in salaries or contract renews or a combo of both on a team that can make a superbowl . So that is not going to happen based on the CBA . Now that the asking price for him is going to be much like sweat 2nd rounder at worst or a 3d rounder at best for Chase. If you are in a planning stage you have to plan on 2 bad outcomes 1) it costs at least a 2nd rounder 2) he signs with another team after this yr

Now weigh this with simply waiting till he becomes an FA or god forbid draft a T and I say just say no

I,m fine with just finding a decent ol man.we should roll with the current wrs.

 

[countryroads316]

We will call it the Breakfast Club

 

[skinsdad62]

4 critical observations from Commanders 2024 minicamp Day 3

What were some critical observations from the third and final day of Washington Commanders mandatory minicamp in 2024?

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[countryroads316]

 

[skinsdad62]