Off Season Thread

[CEH]

It doesn't look good for Houston, that's for sure. Realistically the Chiefs are stuck with him next year, but then 2018 is very interesting. He's got a $20 million cap hit in 2018, but if they cut him it's a $12 million dead cap number. So they'd save $8 million against the cap, but that $12 million dead cap number would be a bitter pill to swallow. If he's not the same player he was by that point my guess is they bite the bullet and cut him, unless they can convince him to restructure.

This is exactly the scenario Elway and Miller haggled over .. the 3rd year guaranteed (Miller won) after the 5th business day. KC has no out to eat $25MM in 2017 if they cut him. Denver would be in the same boat if Miller had issues in 2017.

 

[nflbronco]

I would like to see Denver clean house on O side of the ball. We need new blood better coaching, Think its gotten stale on development side. I did not want Kubes day 1 because I thought Shanny tree was dead. I know Kyle has done well but, he's younger. Will he have Ryan and Jones etc on his new team NO so let's see him as head guy.

If Kubes did retire (No Way) I have no idea on who I'd really want to take over. Kubes would be smart if he just was HC and let someone good run offense.



I would focus on skill players in the draft (RB TE WR/KR/PR)

In FA I'd focus on OL MLB and DL

 

[CEH]

What if Kubiak stepped down because of health and Sean Payton was available
Would a combo of Payton/wade be of interest
Payton can generate offense and wade is wade
What we don't want is payton stepping over into the defensive side of the ball
His defenses have been terrible for the most part

 

[randymon]

If Denver can find run game next year and with most of key players returning on D, they have shot at return to promised land. Think we have two Qbs that can excel WITH a good run game. Hopefully Denver can find an interior pass rush and a leader at LB as well. Going to take some cash and luck in draft to fix O line.

 

[randymon]

What if Kubiak stepped down because of health and Sean Payton was available
Would a combo of Payton/wade be of interest
Payton can generate offense and wade is wade
What we don't want is payton stepping over into the defensive side of the ball
His defenses have been terrible for the most part

Interesting but not like Saints have had good run game recently. Ingram has shown flashes but run game has been pretty inconsistent as well. Saints are pass first offense really. Not what Denver needs with two Qbs that need the run game desperately to succeed. IMO.

 

[cdumler7]

What if Kubiak stepped down because of health and Sean Payton was available
Would a combo of Payton/wade be of interest
Payton can generate offense and wade is wade
What we don't want is payton stepping over into the defensive side of the ball
His defenses have been terrible for the most part

If Payton came here I would have to have a few questions answered...

1) Who do the Broncos view as the future of the QB position? Lynch is not a great fit with what Payton likes to do. Siemian could do ok with him but even there I would question some of the fit so are we then starting over at the QB position?

2) How much power is Payton getting. Payton the offensive mind is good. Payton helping put together a team though is terrible. The longer he has been with the Saints and the more power he has gotten the worst the team has gotten. I would tell him that he has no power over defensive personnel and just has to let Wade do his job. Tell him just worry about the offense.

3) What are we giving up to get him? The Saints want a draft pick in a trade. Are we talking like 6th or 7th round pick or are they wanting something more? I feel like there are plenty of good coaches out there that you don't have to trade anything for.

 

[cdumler7]

For those wanting a great break down of our cap situation heading into this next season here is a great article to read.

Broncos' 2017 cap and free agents preview

 

[CEH]

If Payton came here I would have to have a few questions answered...

1) Who do the Broncos view as the future of the QB position? Lynch is not a great fit with what Payton likes to do. Siemian could do ok with him but even there I would question some of the fit so are we then starting over at the QB position?

2) How much power is Payton getting. Payton the offensive mind is good. Payton helping put together a team though is terrible. The longer he has been with the Saints and the more power he has gotten the worst the team has gotten. I would tell him that he has no power over defensive personnel and just has to let Wade do his job. Tell him just worry about the offense.

3) What are we giving up to get him? The Saints want a draft pick in a trade. Are we talking like 6th or 7th round pick or are they wanting something more? I feel like there are plenty of good coaches out there that you don't have to trade anything for.

Fired and no

 

[Mingo]

Man - just chill fellas - Kubiak won a Super Bowl - less than a year ago. He had a bad season - I agree. He followed the wrong advice about personnel in the Oline and had no one to train up what they do have. Give him a next year to man up on himself and work to correct the problems what showed up on the field this year. He is the kind of guy to do that.

I haven't read much about the Oline rule change that cut back on cut blocking, but that rule change may have made the Bronco's run game - as structured - obsolete. It means new athletes - new blocking assignments and new coordination with the run game.

 

[CEH]

Schefter hinted at some surprise firings

 

[CEH]

Man - just chill fellas - Kubiak won a Super Bowl - less than a year ago. He had a bad season - I agree. He followed the wrong advice about personnel in the Oline and had no one to train up what they do have. Give him a next year to man up on himself and work to correct the problems what showed up on the field this year. He is the kind of guy to do that.

I haven't read much about the Oline rule change that cut back on cut blocking, but that rule change may have made the Bronco's run game - as structured - obsolete. It means new athletes - new blocking assignments and new coordination with the run game.

Atlanta adjusted to the new changes and still runs the same system
My scenario was kubes steps aside due to health issues

 

[Mingo]

Atlanta adjusted to the new changes and still runs the same system
My scenario was kubes steps aside due to health issues

Could be - he's a guy who has twice now left work in an ambulance and missed games.

 

[SpiritOf77]

Schefter hinted at some surprise firings

The only surprises would be Wade or Kollar

 

[SpiritOf77]

OK, I see that Schefter said at least two surprise head coach firings ..

Guys I see who may or may not be a surprise:

- John Fox
- Chuck Pagano
- Mike McCoy
- Chip Kelly
- Ron Rivera
- Bruce Arians
- Marvin Lewis
- Sean Payton


- Kubiak ??


Rivera and Arians would be the surprises there, but I could see it happening to both ..
Not sure Elway "fires" Kubiak - I think he'd step down citing health reasons

 

[MileHigh64]

OK, I see that Schefter said at least two surprise head coach firings ..

Guys I see who may or may not be a surprise:

- John Fox
- Chuck Pagano
- Mike McCoy
- Chip Kelly
- Ron Rivera
- Bruce Arians
- Marvin Lewis
- Sean Payton


- Kubiak ??


Rivera and Arians would be the surprises there, but I could see it happening to both ..
Not sure Elway "fires" Kubiak - I think he'd step down citing health reasons

Marvin Lewis said today that he's returning next year, so that seems to be a done deal. I can't imagine Elway firing Kubiak but I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if he stepped down due to health reasons. I'm a Kubiak fan (as a head coach) but would really like to see more creativity with our offensive game plan.

 

[femurov]

I am on board with the Tyrod Taylor plan. I think he could be great in Kubes' system, especially with our weapons.

 

[58crash]

Man - just chill fellas - Kubiak won a Super Bowl - less than a year ago. He had a bad season - I agree. He followed the wrong advice about personnel in the Oline and had no one to train up what they do have. Give him a next year to man up on himself and work to correct the problems what showed up on the field this year. He is the kind of guy to do that.

I haven't read much about the Oline rule change that cut back on cut blocking, but that rule change may have made the Bronco's run game - as structured - obsolete. It means new athletes - new blocking assignments and new coordination with the run game.

From the looks of things Atlanta had no real issues with blocking but I never watched a game of there's..so someone could pipe in on this?

 

[Duffman]

Josh McDaniels is available

But on a serious note what do you guys think of Kyle Shanahan? Too early for him as a HC or would he do well with our current scheme?

 

[cdumler7]

Josh McDaniels is available

But on a serious note what do you guys think of Kyle Shanahan? Too early for him as a HC or would he do well with our current scheme?

Shanahan would be my first choice if Kubiak steps down. There needs to be some things put into place though if Shanahan were to come here so that we do not have another McDaniels incident. Part of the problem with McDaniels is that he was given way too much power from the get go. Remember he was given all that Shanahan had of HC and GM responsibilities. He had full control over who to let go, who to draft, and so on.

Shanahan should only be given HC duties and that is all he would get. Elway is fully embedded as that GM of this team so any HC coming to town would know that isn't happening any time in the near future.

The other was we would need somebody in place to help him figure out how he wants to run the entire off season. From what I understand McDaniels went crazy with off season training to the point that the team had nothing left half way through the season. We saw them start 6-0 and completely fall apart after that. He also would put so much of the playbook into the week that players just were completely confused of what to do.

I would also tell whoever we would bring in that Wade is part of the coaching staff and they need to learn to work with him and understand the defense is his and in the end he has final say on what the defense does.

 

[cdumler7]

From the looks of things Atlanta had no real issues with blocking but I never watched a game of there's..so someone could pipe in on this?

Atlanta runs a variation of the system that we run. They have created a bit of a hybrid PBS and ZBS. You would call it a Gap Scheme really. Where they are still working outside in like the ZBS but there isn't really any kind of cut blocking. You don't have anybody diving down. You have more of trying to beat a defender to a spot with a reach block then holding your spot but then also sending extra guys to the original hole to open up a seam for the RB.

So yes Atlanta has taken Kubiak's system and updated it with the new rules. Kubiak and his staff would be wise to watch every Atlanta game and see how they adjusted then work the implement those changes into our system. I would say right now we do not have the players on the OL to do that though. Paradis is incredible at the reach block. Maybe best in the league so he is good to go as long as his hip heals up. Okung is another that is very good at this style of blocking. Everybody else on the OL though might have some issues. Garcia would be good when the play is running behind him because the man at the point of contact is working to really power open a hole. He is great at that. Reach blocks though when the play is going to the right are where he could really struggle and needs to spend a lot of time in the off season improving on.