Off Season Thread

[Orange Crush77]

Tyrod Taylor

 

[Mingo]

I heard the announcers on the Broncos/Chiefs broadcast suggest that Elway was going to go after Tony Romo to QB next year. I'm glad no one here took that seriously - I'd rather develop Lynch and Siemian into next year than to bring in - Romo - with any expectation. Nor, if I was Tony Romo - would I trust my last years in the NFL with an Oline that played like the Broncos played.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Tyrod Taylor

I'd take him for the right price.

Not a huge Taylor fan, he'd be a better solution but if we got him for the right price and hope Lynch still develops then I would be go with it. I'd take him over Siemian. There were rumors last year that we were after Taylor if you remember. I'd never give my first round pick for him like the rumors were last year, but I would be interested for the right price.

 

[cdumler7]

I heard the announcers on the Broncos/Chiefs broadcast suggest that Elway was going to go after Tony Romo to QB next year. I'm glad no one here took that seriously - I'd rather develop Lynch and Siemian into next year than to bring in - Romo - with any expectation. Nor, if I was Tony Romo - would I trust my last years in the NFL with an Oline that played like the Broncos played.

Well to me it boils down to do we want a veteran QB but not have the money to fix the OL like we need to or fix the OL and let these young guys develop. Easy choice for me.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Siemian being benched the last week of the season tells us a lot, IMO.

 

[Mingo]

Siemian being benched the last week of the season tells us a lot, IMO.

I agree DC - that is Lynch's invitation to the party as a starter next year.

 

[MileHigh64]

Siemian being benched the last week of the season tells us a lot, IMO.

I heard that Siemian is starting and they'll both get playing time. Where did you hear that Siemian was benched?

 

[CEH]

I agree DC - that is Lynch's invitation to the party as a starter next year.

Be very surprised if TS did not start Sunday
Kubiak is loyal to a fault

 

[MileHigh64]

Be very surprised if TS did not start Sunday
Kubiak is loyal to a fault

Kubiak announced today that Siemian would start and Paxton would also get some reps at some point, depending on how the game was going. He said that Siemian deserves to continue to grow and develop as the starter since he did so many great things this season (I'm para-phrasing). Paxton was interviewed and said he looks forward to getting some reps in this game too.

 

[58crash]

can we demote him to purely TE like he was before, demote Dennison to OL, and bring in new OC? lol

At least this .

 

[58crash]

I hope so.. Im only really basing it off the fact that it doesn't happen much, where an OC takes his old position back with the same team after being promoted previously. Not to say it won't happen. It has before. McDaniels. Gunther Cunningham, etc... But just saying I have my doubts so not getting too excited. If it happens Ill throw popcorn up in the air and get my pom poms out.

Wade ....and yes plenty years in-between all the same does happen

Also our ST coach

 

[58crash]

I would pass on poe as well. He is going to want multiple years and that just isn't a smart investment. We would be better going after a brandon williams or bennie logan type, or even just retaining sly on the cheap

Sly and walker cheap would be right and Draft several DE/DT types and pick up one Walker Type Cheap

 

[CEH]

Lynch is in a weird spot competing with a guy his own age and not really flashing when he had the chance. Had he hit a couple bombs (very good opportunities to show off a great arm ala Cutler to Walker) in the JAX game , there could be more vibe for him. When will he beat TS out? He won't beat him out in the off season or in the classroom, not in OTAs. In TC, I bet TS still looks like the better QB so it will come down to the actual games to out perform TS. Lynch does have a 5 year max here so hopefully he takes the next step but his counterpart may also take the next step. I'm rooting for the QB who will lead Denver for the next 10 years.

 

[randymon]

Siemian being benched the last week of the season tells us a lot, IMO.[/QUOT
Really? Could very well mean they know what Trevor brings to the table and they need to see if Lynch is is worthy of a shot at holding on to him . From everything I've heard, they threw the book at Simian last few weeks and were pretty encouraged despite the results due to the lack of any help from O line. This move to start Lynch could be just as much a test on Lynchs future as Trevors heading forward. If Lynch doesn't show progression from last start, that could make a big impact on how they regard him as being a viable replacement to Trevor. IMO

 

[Fountain City Blues]

The only thing that concerns me about KC is that they have actually drafted VERY well these past few years. Especially on defense. They've got some nice young talent on that team, but they clearly need to free up some cap room to keep these guys around long term.

Yeah, as a Chiefs fan I am just hoping the FO makes the cold and calculating decision here, and not a sentimental or static position. The 2018 season in particular looks very pricey in the near future. If that means a lot of bloodletting like it did in 2014, then so be it. Quite a few of the tertiary pieces like Colquitt and Anthony Sherman are definitely gone as soon as push comes to shove as far as the cap goes.

Going to assume Santos stays for now.

After going throught the fairly obvious tender of Sorenson and Winchester, quite a bit is up in the air. Derrick Johnson, Poe, and Charles should not have safe roster spots next year, as far as I am concerned, with their health in mind for various reasons both cap related and on the field; can't be too sure you'll get value out of any of those three going forward.

They've changed Berry's role a bit to be more of a cover 1 robber since Abdullah retired last year, and the results are fairly impressive. Not sure if it means they're willing to play ~12M + cap inflation unlike last offseason, but it'd make a lot of sense at this point, moreso than Poe does. If it takes tagging him again, so be it. Poe's back is not a problem that will go away and his pricetag is going to be awfully rich for the blood if he is paid more like a passrushing interior lineman than a Snacks.

What has been observed so far (or at least I think so anyways) is the Chiefs have drafted to replace thus far. For example:

Fisher--Albert
Ford--Hali (oops, still stuck with Hali for another year)
Peters--S.Smith
Jones--Poe?

Watson--Smith (I hope)

Other things that are pretty predictable at this point is the Chiefs will pick up Ford's 5th year option.

List of 2018 FA's via OTC of interest:

Jaye Howard
Dee Ford (5th year)
Ramik Wilson
Terrance Mitchell (this is pretty premature ala Marcus Cooper, but it's really hard to ignore these past 4 games given difficulty, especially if his run continues into the playoffs)

Offseason after that:

Mitch Morse
Marcus Peters (5th year)
Spencer Ware
Steven Nelson

As cap constrained as they are now, they are going to be in quite a bit of trouble if they don't drop some players that are producing either nothing or very little for the Chiefs going forward.

 

[randymon]

Yeah, as a Chiefs fan I am just hoping the FO makes the cold and calculating decision here, and not a sentimental or static position. The 2018 season in particular looks very pricey in the near future. If that means a lot of bloodletting like it did in 2014, then so be it. Quite a few of the tertiary pieces like Colquitt and Anthony Sherman are definitely gone as soon as push comes to shove as far as the cap goes.

Going to assume Santos stays for now.

After going throught the fairly obvious tender of Sorenson and Winchester, quite a bit is up in the air. Derrick Johnson, Poe, and Charles should not have safe roster spots next year, as far as I am concerned, with their health in mind for various reasons both cap related and on the field; can't be too sure you'll get value out of any of those three going forward.

They've changed Berry's role a bit to be more of a cover 1 robber since Abdullah retired last year, and the results are fairly impressive. Not sure if it means they're willing to play ~12M + cap inflation unlike last offseason, but it'd make a lot of sense at this point, moreso than Poe does. If it takes tagging him again, so be it. Poe's back is not a problem that will go away and his pricetag is going to be awfully rich for the blood if he is paid more like a passrushing interior lineman than a Snacks.

What has been observed so far (or at least I think so anyways) is the Chiefs have drafted to replace thus far. For example:

Fisher--Albert
Ford--Hali (oops, still stuck with Hali for another year)
Peters--S.Smith
Jones--Poe?

Watson--Smith (I hope)

Other things that are pretty predictable at this point is the Chiefs will pick up Ford's 5th year option.

List of 2018 FA's via OTC of interest:

Jaye Howard
Dee Ford (5th year)
Ramik Wilson
Terrance Mitchell (this is pretty premature ala Marcus Cooper, but it's really hard to ignore these past 4 games given difficulty, especially if his run continues into the playoffs)

Offseason after that:

Mitch Morse
Marcus Peters (5th year)
Spencer Ware
Steven Nelson

As cap constrained as they are now, they are going to be in quite a bit of trouble if they don't drop some players that are producing either nothing or very little for the Chiefs going forward.

Not sure but I could give a shit about KC woes right now or ever.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Yeah, as a Chiefs fan I am just hoping the FO makes the cold and calculating decision here, and not a sentimental or static position. The 2018 season in particular looks very pricey in the near future. If that means a lot of bloodletting like it did in 2014, then so be it. Quite a few of the tertiary pieces like Colquitt and Anthony Sherman are definitely gone as soon as push comes to shove as far as the cap goes.

Going to assume Santos stays for now.

After going throught the fairly obvious tender of Sorenson and Winchester, quite a bit is up in the air. Derrick Johnson, Poe, and Charles should not have safe roster spots next year, as far as I am concerned, with their health in mind for various reasons both cap related and on the field; can't be too sure you'll get value out of any of those three going forward.

They've changed Berry's role a bit to be more of a cover 1 robber since Abdullah retired last year, and the results are fairly impressive. Not sure if it means they're willing to play ~12M + cap inflation unlike last offseason, but it'd make a lot of sense at this point, moreso than Poe does. If it takes tagging him again, so be it. Poe's back is not a problem that will go away and his pricetag is going to be awfully rich for the blood if he is paid more like a passrushing interior lineman than a Snacks.

What has been observed so far (or at least I think so anyways) is the Chiefs have drafted to replace thus far. For example:

Fisher--Albert
Ford--Hali (oops, still stuck with Hali for another year)
Peters--S.Smith
Jones--Poe?

Watson--Smith (I hope)

Other things that are pretty predictable at this point is the Chiefs will pick up Ford's 5th year option.

List of 2018 FA's via OTC of interest:

Jaye Howard
Dee Ford (5th year)
Ramik Wilson
Terrance Mitchell (this is pretty premature ala Marcus Cooper, but it's really hard to ignore these past 4 games given difficulty, especially if his run continues into the playoffs)

Offseason after that:

Mitch Morse
Marcus Peters (5th year)
Spencer Ware
Steven Nelson

As cap constrained as they are now, they are going to be in quite a bit of trouble if they don't drop some players that are producing either nothing or very little for the Chiefs going forward.

Thanks for your take.

 

[cdumler7]

Not sure but I could give a shit about KC woes right now or ever.

It was discussed earlier in the thread about the Chiefs off season and what it could look like. Some had discussed bringing Poe to the Broncos and part of that being could the Chiefs afford to keep him with other players like Berry most likely needing to be signed.

I guess to me I appreciate getting a Chief's fans input on some of this. Part of us winning going forward is also looking at the division and how it is shaping up. Some big decisions that could effect the Broncos are coming up for these division rivals. For the Chargers what do they do at the QB position with Rivers getting up in age? What do they do with the coaching staff? For the Chiefs with some big names coming up for some big contracts who do they keep? For the Chiefs what does life after Smith look like since that could be coming soon? How do the Raiders do when they have to sign Carr and Mack to huge contracts?

 

[CEH]

Yeah, as a Chiefs fan I am just hoping the FO makes the cold and calculating decision here, and not a sentimental or static position. The 2018 season in particular looks very pricey in the near future. If that means a lot of bloodletting like it did in 2014, then so be it. Quite a few of the tertiary pieces like Colquitt and Anthony Sherman are definitely gone as soon as push comes to shove as far as the cap goes.

Going to assume Santos stays for now.

After going throught the fairly obvious tender of Sorenson and Winchester, quite a bit is up in the air. Derrick Johnson, Poe, and Charles should not have safe roster spots next year, as far as I am concerned, with their health in mind for various reasons both cap related and on the field; can't be too sure you'll get value out of any of those three going forward.

They've changed Berry's role a bit to be more of a cover 1 robber since Abdullah retired last year, and the results are fairly impressive. Not sure if it means they're willing to play ~12M + cap inflation unlike last offseason, but it'd make a lot of sense at this point, moreso than Poe does. If it takes tagging him again, so be it. Poe's back is not a problem that will go away and his pricetag is going to be awfully rich for the blood if he is paid more like a passrushing interior lineman than a Snacks.

What has been observed so far (or at least I think so anyways) is the Chiefs have drafted to replace thus far. For example:

Fisher--Albert
Ford--Hali (oops, still stuck with Hali for another year)
Peters--S.Smith
Jones--Poe?

Watson--Smith (I hope)

Other things that are pretty predictable at this point is the Chiefs will pick up Ford's 5th year option.

List of 2018 FA's via OTC of interest:

Jaye Howard
Dee Ford (5th year)
Ramik Wilson
Terrance Mitchell (this is pretty premature ala Marcus Cooper, but it's really hard to ignore these past 4 games given difficulty, especially if his run continues into the playoffs)

Offseason after that:

Mitch Morse
Marcus Peters (5th year)
Spencer Ware
Steven Nelson

As cap constrained as they are now, they are going to be in quite a bit of trouble if they don't drop some players that are producing either nothing or very little for the Chiefs going forward.

I think the elephant in the room for KC is Justin Houston who once again is sitting out with knee issues.
If his knee is toast ( I think it is based on the uniqueness of the injury) your cap in 2017 is really screwed up.

 

[Broncos6482]

I think the elephant in the room for KC is Justin Houston who once again is sitting out with knee issues.
If his knee is toast ( I think it is based on the uniqueness of the injury) your cap in 2017 is really screwed up.

It doesn't look good for Houston, that's for sure. Realistically the Chiefs are stuck with him next year, but then 2018 is very interesting. He's got a $20 million cap hit in 2018, but if they cut him it's a $12 million dead cap number. So they'd save $8 million against the cap, but that $12 million dead cap number would be a bitter pill to swallow. If he's not the same player he was by that point my guess is they bite the bullet and cut him, unless they can convince him to restructure.