No criminal charges for Deshaun Watson

[HaroldSeattle]

I think where people struggle on this debate is that some people are still working under the assumption that the league cares if Watson is guilty

I can assure you they do not

They care about bad PR, loss of sponsors and loss of money

That's it

They're going to error on the side of overkill and deal with the very very minimal pushback they'd receive for it as opposed to the monster backlash they'd get from going soft on Watson

That's just the reality and they've proven it time and time and time again.

I not sure about not caring about guilt, but image definitely trumps all and overkill certainly works better then being soft PR wise.

 

[Manster7588]

I'm aware Goodell has the power to overturn the decision as I've said more than once (as mentioned, if struggling with comprehension just ask), but she's a federal judge which carries a bit more prestige when it comes to making fair decisions.

One major problem you're missing. A CBA can over rule LAW, when it's workplace related.

The players Collectively Agreed to give Goodell final say. So if Robinson says, six games, and the NFL ups it to a year, there's really nothing Watson can do to change it.

Even if it goes back to Robinson the NFL can bring it back to a 2nd Judge who will uphold it due to the CBA.

 

[Manster7588]

I believe that if there was an agreement between Watson and the massuers to perform extra care, and the police were the ones accusing Watson, more of us would be on Watson's side, and saying no suspension or very minimal suspension is warranted.

 

[dtgold88]

One major problem you're missing. A CBA can over rule LAW, when it's workplace related.

The players Collectively Agreed to give Goodell final say. So if Robinson says, six games, and the NFL ups it to a year, there's really nothing Watson can do to change it.

Even if it goes back to Robinson the NFL can bring it back to a 2nd Judge who will uphold it due to the CBA.

How am I missing this when I've mentioned it a few times? My point has been if they care about optics the optics might take a hit to overrule a federal judge to impose your own ideas when you had a hand in bringing in said judge.

 

[Manster7588]

How am I missing this when I've mentioned it a few times? My point has been if they care about optics the optics might take a hit to overrule a federal judge to impose your own ideas when you had a hand in bringing in said judge.

OK, then you're ignoring it, as my whole argument is based off if the CBA.

Again the CBA holds more prestige than a Judge since the PLAYERS agreed to it.

If it's league related Goodell is the Supreme Judge.

Apparently the Judge you think will save the Browns has said Watson violation league polucy, and suggested Unprecedented Discipline

 

[HaroldSeattle]

OK, then you're ignoring it, as my whole argument is based off if the CBA.

Again the CBA holds more prestige than a Judge since the PLAYERS agreed to it.

If it's league related Goodell is the Supreme Judge.

Apparently the Judge you think will save the Browns has said Watson violation league polucy, and suggested Unprecedented Discipline

Makes you wonder if by unprecedented discipline if a permanent ban is being considered.

 

[dtgold88]

OK, then you're ignoring it, as my whole argument is based off if the CBA.

Again the CBA holds more prestige than a Judge since the PLAYERS agreed to it.

If it's league related Goodell is the Supreme Judge.

Apparently the Judge you think will save the Browns has said Watson violation league polucy, and suggested Unprecedented Discipline

Never said she'd save the Browns. I don't work in obsoletes as I don't pretend to know how this will go and form opinions based on an agenda. But you do you.

Curious about that tweet, though, as didn't it come before the hearings even began with Robinson?

 

[dtgold88]

Makes you wonder if by unprecedented discipline if a permanent ban is being considered.

Makes me wonder how he came up with this insight on 6/23 when the hearings just finished, didn't they?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Makes me wonder how he came up with this insight on 6/23 when the hearings just finished, didn't they?

By the end of the month we should know the outcome. Looking forward to it.

 

[dtgold88]

By the end of the month we should know the outcome. Looking forward to it.

Think might be longer but does not answer my question....how did he come up wit this insight on 6/23 when the hearings had not concluded (don't even think they had started).

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Think might be longer but does not answer my question....how did he come up wit this insight on 6/23 when the hearings had not concluded (don't even think they had started).

Leaks

 

[dtgold88]

Leaks

Leaks from a hearing that had not concluded or even started if I'm not mistaken? Pretty sure they started on Tuesday, which was 6/28.

 

[dtgold88]

Leaks

are you ignoring conflicting leaks - which are coming from the actual hearings - that say he will get a much lighter suspension?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

are you ignoring conflicting leaks - which are actually coming from the actual hearings - that say he will get a much lighter suspension?

Over kill just makes more sense then a light sentence. We well find out soon enough which way this falls.

 

[molsaniceman]

are you ignoring conflicting leaks - which are coming from the actual hearings - that say he will get a much lighter suspension?

udge Sue Robinson is not expected to rule in the NFL's Deshaun Watson case before the week of July 11.​

Each side has a brief due that week. The exact day is unclear. In turn, that probably means a ruling is not likely until the week of July 18, if then. Training camps will be beginning the following week, meaning both sides will be hoping for a resolution before July 25. The NFL is seeking an indefinite suspension with the possibility of reinstatement after a year.

 

[rmilia1]

I don't know about the reporting but my common sense tells me the judge being a female probably doesn't help Watson. Especially a female in a high up position in an occupation largely dominated by men

The odds she's been propositioned inappropriately for "advancement opportunities" is fairly good

Id imagine that would impact her in some way

 

[Schmoopy1000]

waiting on the full ban from the NFL

 

[Manster7588]

Makes you wonder if by unprecedented discipline if a permanent ban is being considered.

I don't believe the Jugde will go that far. I could see a timed suspension with the added vocalization of saying she considered more.

 

[dtgold88]

Over kill just makes more sense then a light sentence. We well find out soon enough which way this falls.

Cool....but I'm still curious how they got leaks from a hearing that was nearly a week away from starting if the date of the tweet was correct..

 

[dtgold88]

udge Sue Robinson is not expected to rule in the NFL's Deshaun Watson case before the week of July 11.​

Each side has a brief due that week. The exact day is unclear. In turn, that probably means a ruling is not likely until the week of July 18, if then. Training camps will be beginning the following week, meaning both sides will be hoping for a resolution before July 25. The NFL is seeking an indefinite suspension with the possibility of reinstatement after a year.

Cool...not sure why you are telling me this as I only wondered in my comment why he ignored leaks that actually came from the hearing but thinks a tweet on 6/23 came from a leak from a hearing that began on 6/28