Next Head Coach Thread:

[purguy12]

Jed did say that he wants a head coach for the next ten years, unless he doesn't produce a Lombardi trophy in the first two years. Then we're back to square one.

i really think its Quinn as HC and he brings in Shanahan in as OC. Quinn does impress me.

 

[purguy12]

Bills hires Rex and Roman. LOL Roman will help the running game but they are screwed at the passing game especially with no QB. Good luck Bills.

 

[AU_Fever]

i really think its Quinn as HC and he brings in Shanahan in as OC. Quinn does impress me.

New York Jets targeting Dan Quinn as new coach - ESPN New York

Jets ready to offer Quinn head coaching job. Think again Purguy.

 

[Louie26]

New York Jets targeting Dan Quinn as new coach - ESPN New York

Jets ready to offer Quinn head coaching job. Think again Purguy.

I heard this too, and Quinn and Shanny goes with him. Plus, why would they hire Quinn when we already have a BETTER defensive guy in Fangio, other than his age?!

 

[AU_Fever]

If it's Fangio, hope he hires an OC who can jump start this offense. Scoring 19 points a game is not going to cut it. Baalke needs to add a couple of pieces to the offense, preferably a WR (deep threat) and a TE. I think VD is done.

 

[Pattersonca65]

I am not thar impressed wirh Quinn. Fangio did more wirh less

 

[optimist4720]

If we go AzBowles we are in big trouble...

 

[BOB11]

If we go AzBowles we are in big trouble...

Why? Arizona D was very good and they got preasure on the QB. Some thing we couldn't do all year. If he signs a good OC I think he will be a good hire.

 

[optimist4720]

D isn't our problem..offense is...this is Singleyary dilemma all over again. If you go Defense your offensive Oc if he is any good gets hired away and you end up having new OCs every year learning a new system year in and year out. No consistency and always learning a new system . Alex Smith had like 5 OCs in 7 years and we know how that worked out. We need an offense oriented guy in charge to bring consistency to the offense which by its very complexity is harder to get good at and get consistent at. Hiring Bowles will get you D but we already have that in Fangio and risk loosing the Fangio guys in the locker room and still not get you your Offense tutor for Kap.

 

[optimist4720]

Shanny all the way + give Fangio a raise... Pay then man ..in fact pay all 3 of the men you need to hire . With Rex Ryan getting 5.5m makes what we were paying Harbaugh look cheap now...

 

[Pattersonca65]

Why? Arizona D was very good and they got preasure on the QB. Some thing we couldn't do all year. If he signs a good OC I think he will be a good hire.

They had some injuries like we did, and they blitzed a lot more to get pressure. I don't think their D looked all that good near the end of the season. I still would take Fangio over Bowles.

 

[Pattersonca65]

D isn't our problem..offense is...this is Singleyary dilemma all over again. If you go Defense your offensive Oc if he is any good gets hired away and you end up having new OCs every year learning a new system year in and year out. No consistency and always learning a new system . Alex Smith had like 5 OCs in 7 years and we know how that worked out. We need an offense oriented guy in charge to bring consistency to the offense which by its very complexity is harder to get good at and get consistent at. Hiring Bowles will get you D but we already have that in Fangio and risk loosing the Fangio guys in the locker room and still not get you your Offense tutor for Kap.

The 49ers problem wasn't good OC's getting hired away (except for Norv Turner) but hiring/promoting bad ones. When Norv Turner was hired away, Nolan promoted Hostler who was clearly awful. He then got rid of Hostler and hired Mike Martz. While I am not a big fan of Mike Martz, he was a capable OC who helped developed QBs. Singletary decided to dump Martz for Jimmy Raye. One of the dumbest moves ever as there wasn't anything to suggest Raye would ever be any good.

 

[optimist4720]

The point isn't whether bad OCs were promoted from within...at least we had some control over that (but exercised bad judgement) (who did that? ). But the point is if you do get lucky enough to hire a good/ great OC they will certainly be hired awAy to be some other teams HC all to soon. Point is great/good OCs are harder to find(more valuable) than good / great DCs . I thought we just went thru this mental exercise just a mere 4 years ago and have 10 years of discovering how hard it is to get a good offensive mind.

 

[optimist4720]

Obviously easier for us to find a good DC..just look how hard it was for a supposed offensive guy like Harbaugh to find us a good DC. Looks like we have 3 guys now in house who most feel OK with. Fangio,Tomasula, Donnatelli...and many more from other teams just waiting in line. Only reason we are even looking for a DC for HC is to keep continuity at something we are good at. Looks le DCs are a dime a dozen and easier to find. Offense is harder to run and harder to build...just so much more complex..that's why great/ good QBS make all the money...harder to find and harder to develope.

 

[optimist4720]

What Jed the padowan did not say in his embarrassing interviews and comments was that He has never been part of a winning tradition or team. All the 49 era have done under him was lose until Harbaugh. Even an idiot knows you don't change ships when you are winning...personalities be damed..

 

[optimist4720]

So what to do now??? Find a good offensive mind trust...old doesn't matter..find a brain trust an give them some slack..it ain't about class and cocktail parties in Silicon Valley..it's all about winning and working around the modern football athlete which is tough I do admit. But if winning it all is what you want you got to have trust of that athlete and to win that trust you got to have their back and got to work thru their immaturity issues as best you can...that means Harbs did a good job and the next coach needs mgmt backing when they go to bat for their immature players because this problem is always there're when dealing with NFL players these days. Probably always has been there too.

 

[optimist4720]

Nobody blames Jed for McDonald, Aldon Smith, or Culliver's travails and escapades so what all this winning with class cream about? Players are players they are what they are..they are a mixed bunch ..they aren't choir boys nor should they be given what preists are accused of these days...so political correctness aside..what do you do in modern age is to do thebest job of spin control and focus on control the fallout and turning the men you employ on the correct path of moderating their behavior while you employ them...self control of freak athletes is not easy but is a must if you want to win cuz sometime a freak athlete is freaky and you need them to help you win it all...not necessarily politically correct but often true if you want to win. Freaks help you win even if they don't know how to behave. JMHO

 

[deep9er]

Nobody blames Jed for McDonald, Aldon Smith, or Culliver's travails and escapades so what all this winning with class cream about? Players are players they are what they are..they are a mixed bunch ..they aren't choir boys nor should they be given what preists are accused of these days...so political correctness aside..what do you do in modern age is to do thebest job of spin control and focus on control the fallout and turning the men you employ on the correct path of moderating their behavior while you employ them...self control of freak athletes is not easy but is a must if you want to win cuz sometime a freak athlete is freaky and you need them to help you win it all...not necessarily politically correct but often true if you want to in. Freaks help you win even if they don't know how to behave. JMHO

yep.

do the best to counsel BEFOREHAND and during their stay, but wouldn't impose additional team punishment(s). That is just the way it is nowadays, if you only stick to 'choir boys', you can't consistently compete at the highest level.

Lets not underestimate the OL coach, getting five guys into a unit is huge......after Kaep.

 

[Pattersonca65]

The point isn't whether bad OCs were promoted from within...at least we had some control over that (but exercised bad judgement) (who did that? ). But the point is if you do get lucky enough to hire a good/ great OC they will certainly be hired awAy to be some other teams HC all to soon. Point is great/good OCs are harder to find(more valuable) than good / great DCs . I thought we just went thru this mental exercise just a mere 4 years ago and have 10 years of discovering how hard it is to get a good offensive mind.

Great OC's that run offensive powerhouses might get hired away but don't know about good OC's in general if they are hired any more than really good DCs. I will have to research that one. We could have had Norv Turner for years. Nobody wanted that guy as a HC except that idiot GM in San Diego.

 

[optimist4720]

But that actually proves the point...Norv DID get hired away and for all intent purposes was lost to us and Alex Smith's developmental years causing him to regress and hiccup in his development. If Norv was HC and Nolan DC this wouldn't have happened. Defenses are not dependent nearly as much on continuity as QBs are. Defenses are by their very nature reactive not proactive and development is much easier and quicker to accomplish. That is why it is easier to turn a horrible team around with defense first rather than offense first. Jmho. Offense is very strewn with land mines and much harder to develop. You can have a lot of pieces and still not get it right if they are not in sync. In fact, inny ness is always hard to achieve...it's all timing,play calling, and precision. Defense is reacting and toughness mostly.while being excellent is hard with either it's harder to get an offense "right" Even in the Montana/Young eras we got out of sync at times. Central point is if you find a very good OC and he qualifies to be HC one should choose the Oc to be HC over a DC since you keep continuity in your offense which is more sensitive to coaching changes than Defense..especially if you are developing a QB like we are currently....less so if you have an established Qb like peyton Manning.